Rita Tangredi, 31, and Colleen McNamee, 20, 1993-94 ** John Bittrolff ARRESTED **

[Just K]

This case has always caught my eye:

Quote Originally Posted by Just K
The other murdered Costello...

June, 1986 PATRICIA COSTELLO of Brentwood, Suffolk County, was living in Bay Shore at the time of her murder. She worked as a topless dancer/cocktail waitress at various bars in Suffolk County. At about 5pm, Sunday, June 1, 1986, a horseback rider in Heckscher State Park found Ms. Costello’s nude, strangled body, approximately 200 feet from the shore of the Great South Bay in Islip. Seemingly, the assailant tried to make the murder appear to be a suicide by tying one end of a piece of material around Ms. Costello’s neck and the other around a nearby tree.

JB would have been 19 going on 20 in June of 86.
Would be interesting to see if she was related in any way to ALC's ex-husband (like sister or ex-wife)

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...ient=firefox-a

She would have been 26 in 1986. I remember Donald Costello (ALC's ex wasn't he in his 40's)
Donald would not comment in the early days. I read they met at church but his address, with ALC, was listed as the address for the exec of Private Playmate Escort Referral Service. Wish I knew where he was from originally.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I agree with you. I think there's nothing that points to him being LISK, and I'd be very surprised if he turns out to have killed the GB4 or any of the Manorville victims.

When I refer to LISK, I'm talking strictly about the person responsible for the GB4, so our terms are a bit different here. But for the most part, I agree with you, MC. I would be SHOCKED if Bittrolff turned out to be LISK. I don't think I'd be terribly surprised if it turns out he's responsible for at least some of the Manorville victims, though.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Thanks :treadmill:whats interesting and ts pointed out that JT or JD were in a sump. This young kid was in a sump and I'm real surprised he's not reported missing if he was only 15 to 17 years old! He had a hands of Gold Jewelry key ring...

i'm pretty sure and tried searching the archives but i believe it was Just K who first suggested Rita and Colleen as being related:crystalball: correct me if im wrong

btw btw Crooked Hill Road is one of only two street that hits the short Leahy Street. The Rehab is right up the street at 999 Crooked Hill Road

JT or JD were not found IN a sump. They were found in the woods off of a paved road that lead to a sump.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

But that's what SKs do. They are hard to catch, especially organized killers. The LISK may never be caught--not because he changed and evolved to allude LE, but because he was cunning, calculated, and ultra careful.

ETA: He has not proven the theories wrong because we don't know who he is! That remains to be seen.

And because there is nothing to connect him to his victims. Unless he's found with a dead body, or a victim manages to get away, or he can't stop himself from playing his dangerous little phone games, I don't know that he'll ever be caught.

I do have certain gut feelings about LISK, though, and if those gut feelings are correct, I think our chances of catching him improve a little. 1). I think he is a "hobbyist". If he is, then it's possible other "hobbyists" know him. Hobbyists brag. Would he brag about killing? Doubt it. But he might tip his hand to someone by providing some details. 2). I think he drinks. ALOT. People get sloppy when they're drunk.

All just my opinion, of course.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

This case has always caught my eye:

Quote Originally Posted by Just K
The other murdered Costello...

June, 1986 PATRICIA COSTELLO of Brentwood, Suffolk County, was living in Bay Shore at the time of her murder. She worked as a topless dancer/cocktail waitress at various bars in Suffolk County. At about 5pm, Sunday, June 1, 1986, a horseback rider in Heckscher State Park found Ms. Costello’s nude, strangled body, approximately 200 feet from the shore of the Great South Bay in Islip. Seemingly, the assailant tried to make the murder appear to be a suicide by tying one end of a piece of material around Ms. Costello’s neck and the other around a nearby tree.

JB would have been 19 going on 20 in June of 86.
Would be interesting to see if she was related in any way to ALC's ex-husband (like sister or ex-wife)

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...ient=firefox-a

She would have been 26 in 1986. I remember Donald Costello (ALC's ex wasn't he in his 40's)
Donald would not comment in the early days. I read they met at church but his address, with ALC, was listed as the address for the exec of Private Playmate Escort Referral Service. Wish I knew where he was from originally.

You probably already have this info, but she lived off Vermont Ave. in Bayshore.

 

[cpaul]

This case has always caught my eye:

Quote Originally Posted by Just K
The other murdered Costello...


http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...ient=firefox-a

Link doesn't work for me. I find nothing at all using google on this girl. You would think there would be many articles over the years if unsolved. Would you have any other links regarding her murder?

 

[Sigh Sister]

Trying to see if JB owns property in McDonough, NY. I tried plugging in every name and alias of him and his wife as well as companies or any known connection into this pdf document but no such luck. Maybe fresher eyes will find or see something.

According to this the North Sea Gun Club (Southhampton) does own property right on the lake there in McDonough though. Maybe he was a member and used the property.

Don't know where this could lead but figure it's worth putting up for us to play with.

http://www.mcdonoughny.com/pdfs/taxbills-2014.pdf

I searched the McDonough property tax records a couple of days ago, and didn't find anything either.

 

[cpaul]

Check NYS DOC Dept of Corrections site..

Need a Date of Birth to search for convictions on DOS site, they may have records that go back to 1985 for his county

Two Bittrolffs found on corrections site but not John

 

[Just K]

And because there is nothing to connect him to his victims. Unless he's found with a dead body, or a victim manages to get away, or he can't stop himself from playing his dangerous little phone games, I don't know that he'll ever be caught.

I do have certain gut feelings about LISK, though, and if those gut feelings are correct, I think our chances of catching him improve a little. 1). I think he is a "hobbyist". If he is, then it's possible other "hobbyists" know him. Hobbyists brag. Would he brag about killing? Doubt it. But he might tip his hand to someone by providing some details. 2). I think he drinks. ALOT. People get sloppy when they're drunk.

All just my opinion, of course.

I agree and I woke up thinking that if JB is not the LISK he may also be a hobbyist, even a member of the CCC, and maybe be buddies with the real LISK. (ALL MY THEORY & Opinion)

The way I see this playing out, GB4 and AC4 will be the same killer and Manorville and some JDs (and dismembered, beaten or strangled males and bodies spread about LI) likely a second killer...maybe even a competitor. I also think Manorville is JB and these killings have to do with deep seated sexual identity conflicts.

 

[Just K]

Let's get this name Bittroff? Bittrolff? and all the other variations that members can or have found figured out.
Is it an honest mistake or did he deliberately confuse others.

I find it interesting that he is found as John Mike Bittrolff. (Mike not Michael)

 

[LikeAHunter]

This case has always caught my eye:

Quote Originally Posted by Just K
The other murdered Costello...

June, 1986 PATRICIA COSTELLO of Brentwood, Suffolk County, was living in Bay Shore at the time of her murder. She worked as a topless dancer/cocktail waitress at various bars in Suffolk County. At about 5pm, Sunday, June 1, 1986, a horseback rider in Heckscher State Park found Ms. Costello’s nude, strangled body, approximately 200 feet from the shore of the Great South Bay in Islip. Seemingly, the assailant tried to make the murder appear to be a suicide by tying one end of a piece of material around Ms. Costello’s neck and the other around a nearby tree.

JB would have been 19 going on 20 in June of 86.
Would be interesting to see if she was related in any way to ALC's ex-husband (like sister or ex-wife)

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...ient=firefox-a

She would have been 26 in 1986. I remember Donald Costello (ALC's ex wasn't he in his 40's)
Donald would not comment in the early days. I read they met at church but his address, with ALC, was listed as the address for the exec of Private Playmate Escort Referral Service. Wish I knew where he was from originally.

Very interesting!!

And when LE said that SC was not a prostitue but led a similar lifestyle, I assumed he meant stripper/exotic dancer. It would be REALLY interesting to see if RT and CM ever worked in strip clubs as dancers or waitresses or whatever.

 

[Just K]

Anyone really good at people tracking? Can anyone find info on whether ALC's 2nd and last husband came from LI? He would be 47, now. One year younger than JB. He is definitely linked to Colleen G who ran the escort service that used ALC and Don E's address in the Tampa area. CG also works out of Manhattan. Last I checked, he was also connected to a very expensive an exclusive (Palm Harbour) community. CG is linked to that through her direct business partners/boyfriends/whatever.

 

[cpaul]

LNBS, (JB's mom) has two FB pages and on the more colorful one she still has a couple early pics of JB.

The one w/radio looks like log home/cabin?

 

[cpaul]

 

[cpaul]

Cabin?

 

[OkieGranny]

http://sagharboronline.com/sagharbo...tutes-suspected-in-third-north-sea-case-32234

John Bittrolff, the Manorville man who was arrested last week and accused of killing two women whose bodies were found dumped in the woods within months of each other in late 1993, and suspected in a third case in which the woman’s body was discovered in North Sea, will be arraigned on a grand jury indictment on Thursday, July 31.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Very interesting!!

And when LE said that SC was not a prostitue but led a similar lifestyle, I assumed he meant stripper/exotic dancer. It would be REALLY interesting to see if RT and CM ever worked in strip clubs as dancers or waitresses or whatever.

I took that to mean SC lived a lifestyle similar to RTB and CM, so my first thought was drug user. :dunno:

 

[LikeAHunter]

Yeah, could be! But my first thought was some type of sex work. I don't have a lot of free time today but I've been trying to search a bit to see if I can connect SC in this way.

Also, it certainly doesn't mean that this other SC that Just K posted about was indeed a victim of JB, but I have to admit that it does sound pretty similar based on that one article, especially if she was one of his first victims.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

I wonder if any of these three girls worked on the so called "Edison Strip"...and i wonder how seedy said strip was back in the early 90's

 

[LikeAHunter]

I wonder if any of these three girls worked on the so called "Edison Strip"...and i wonder how seedy said strip was back in the early 90's

What's that? Can you fill me (us) in?