Ron Cummings Arrested 2009.08.06 RE: Battery involving brother-in-law #3

[stilettos]

If I may ask? Have you never commited a violent act yourself in your whole life? In self defence? In anger?
How about cussing out a jack *advertiser censored** driver that just cut you off and flipped you a bird?
Who is that controlled to never have expressed an act of violence? Did you spank your children? Did your parents spank you?


There are plenty of reasons to justify violent acts against another person. Just MO
At this point there is two sides to this story and until we are able to hear both we can not be judge and jury on this BS.

My parents beat me. My Step-Father broke my nose on more than one occasion and I watched him beat my Mother year after year, sending her to the hospital with such frequency that they knew my voice when I called before I stated it. I can say with confidence that I have never, ever committed an act of physical violence against another person....not even in self defense. I have never thrown anything in my home or slammed a door. I do not spank my children, though I probably should have...I made a choice not to. I do not consider verbal statements acts of violence unless they are terrorstic threats or threats of bodily harm with intent. I have said a cuss word at a driver who cut me off, but no...I have not threatened their life. I know what violence does...so I do not tolerate it...from myself or others.

 

[PorcineGranny]

To insist that someone's words "make" someone else react in violence is pure folly. One of the standards for maturity is self control. This is a silly argument to me, in no way could
Hank have orally forced Ron to attack him. He could frustrate Ron and make him angry, but not attack him. These are my opinions

 

[Malesherbes]

To insist that someone's words "make" someone else react in violence is pure folly. One of the standards for maturity is self control. This is a silly argument to me, in no way could
Hank have orally forced Ron to attack him. He could frustrate Ron and make him angry, but not attack him. These are my opinions

Its just another excuse- I have seen Hank Croslin- its not like he is some bodybuilder towering over Ron, its not like his physical appearance was scaring Ron- I mean I would hope not, I could probably take that guy, lol.

jmo

 

[texasmommy39]

To insist that someone's words "make" someone else react in violence is pure folly. One of the standards for maturity is self control. This is a silly argument to me, in no way could
Hank have orally forced Ron to attack him. He could frustrate Ron and make him angry, but not attack him. These are my opinions

From my personal experience dealing with hot head (redheads) in my family words can move mountains. Maturity sometimes goes out the window with certain circumstances and depending on who is being delt with. I agree this issue is a crime, but, as LE has stated there is a degree of guilt to be placed at all of these individuals feet, not just Rons.

 

[texasmommy39]

Its just another excuse- I have seen Hank Croslin- its not like he is some bodybuilder towering over Ron, its not like his physical appearance was scaring Ron- I mean I would hope not, I could probably take that guy, lol.

jmo

BBM
IMVHO I beleive your point has been made and reinforced numerious times by many. It keeps this forum with a snarky presence and is a turn off to many. Maturity and self control would keep things a little more agreeable for our readers and member IMO.

 

[Malesherbes]

From my personal experience dealing with hot head (redheads) in my family words can move mountains. Maturity sometimes goes out the window with certain circumstances and depending on who is being delt with. I agree this issue is a crime, but, as LE has stated there is a degree of guilt to be placed at all of these individuals feet, not just Rons.

Lets set maturity aside, how about respect, or is that truly dead? These people are Rons NEW inlaws, the day a guy would hurt my family, he would be out the door.

jmo

 

[texasmommy39]

Lets set maturity aside, how about respect, or is that truly dead? These people are Rons NEW inlaws, the day a guy would hurt my family, he would be out the door.

jmo

Malesherbes, I apoligize if I have not shown respect in my posts. As far as Maturity, it does take some to navigate the baiting that goes on here so that comments are productive and enjoyable to read.

 

[Malesherbes]

Malesherbes, I apoligize if I have not shown respect in my posts. As far as Maturity, it does take some to navigate the baiting that goes on here so that comments are productive and enjoyable to read.

No, you misunderstood, I wasn't talking about any respect in your posts, I meant respect for family- sorry I wasn't clear.

jmo

 

[Gracenote]

Except there these things called windows, doors, and 911- you can look out, if you see trouble, you can call 911, and not go out the door- that would be the sensible thing to do if someone was truly at risk-

The thing that kinda hurts Ron is that his grandma told LE he reached in a car when someone was trying to escape and started beating on them- thats probably the charge Ron will plead guilty to- I am sure the burglary charge will be dropped if the State is willing to drop that charge.

jmo

I tend to agree as I think the burglary charge was a bit odd. That would be the charge I would drop, but not simple battery and assault (or whatever they call those in FL)

 

[Blackwatch]

Malesherbes, I apoligize if I have not shown respect in my posts. As far as Maturity, it does take some to navigate the baiting that goes on here so that comments are productive and enjoyable to read.

You and I agree :woohoo:

 

[Tom'sGirl]

Did some forget what thread they're posting on?

I'm going to start deleting Off Topic posts and save myself the work of of moving them to the right thread.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

If that happens, it will send a message that no one is safe at their own homes. A message that you can not take up for yourself when someone is on your property trying to cause trouble. i think that would be a bad thing especially in FL. where we are reading about so many home invasions.

IMO, the message is stay inside and call 911.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

In my opinion that is not true. If someone beats the devil out of you you better be prepared to fight back or you could be dead by the time LE gets there.

Not if you're inside calling 911.

 

[TxLady2]

To insist that someone's words "make" someone else react in violence is pure folly. One of the standards for maturity is self control. This is a silly argument to me, in no way could
Hank have orally forced Ron to attack him. He could frustrate Ron and make him angry, but not attack him. These are my opinions

You are so right! My daddy always told my brothers that it takes a bigger man to walk away from a fight, and fighting never solves anything.
With all this talk about the Croslins should have called LE before they even went over there, did it ever occur to anyone that Ron could have taken his beloved wife by the arm and escorted her back into the house away from her family, thus preventing this fight and sending him to jail?? Why didn't he just tell her to stay inside to start with? I'm sure her family would not have been brave enough to go into the house, Ggma wouldn't have allowed it. So... if Ron had just kept his cool and told her to get back inside, none of this would have ever happened. Sounds like they met them out on the driveway before Hank2 was barely getting out of the car. What was going on that caused Hank2 to "come at Ron aggressively?" Was Ron shoving Misty around? Yelling at her? Was she crying and upset?
Lot of questions that need to be answered.

 

[MeoW333]

In my opinion that is not true. If someone beats the devil out of you you better be prepared to fight back or you could be dead by the time LE gets there.

This is so true, especially if you live in a more rural area, a lot of the time since you live far away from town, it takes a lot longer for police to respond. We have family in a small town near Lake City, and it took the ambulance an hour and a half to get there..
So you have to prepared.

 

[MeoW333]

In all honesty, I haven't seen or heard HC2 display a violent temper but that is not to say he doesn't have one. I have heard Ronald's.

JMO

HC2 may be the quite psychotic type, you never know..

 

[kamky]

My parents beat me. My Step-Father broke my nose on more than one occasion and I watched him beat my Mother year after year, sending her to the hospital with such frequency that they knew my voice when I called before I stated it. I can say with confidence that I have never, ever committed an act of physical violence against another person....not even in self defense. I have never thrown anything in my home or slammed a door. I do not spank my children, though I probably should have...I made a choice not to. I do not consider verbal statements acts of violence unless they are terrorstic threats or threats of bodily harm with intent. I have said a cuss word at a driver who cut me off, but no...I have not threatened their life. I know what violence does...so I do not tolerate it...from myself or others.

Bless you for that, Stilettos. Most people do not have the courage to break the cycle.

 

[kamky]

Lets set maturity aside, how about respect, or is that truly dead? These people are Rons NEW inlaws, the day a guy would hurt my family, he would be out the door.

jmo

I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually find out that there was a lot more going on here than a simple domestic disturbance issue. I may be wrong, but in cases where there is an injury involved and it can't be 100% determined by the police who is in the wrong, they tend to site the person who caused the injury. The details of what actually happened are then sorted out later before a judge.
The nerves of everybody in the GGMAs household are surely on edge. I have the impression that Hank Jr was the person who initially wanted to go over to where Misty was, because of earlier phone calls, so I would guess that his parents came along to ensure nothing go out of hand (that really worked well! )
The big question to me is what really was going on between Misty and Hank Jr. Was it really a case of brother "rescuing" his sister, or is there more to this?

 

[titanfan62702]

Well, I cant even begin to know what the Judge is going to because it hasn't even happened yet-

But since we are playing fortuneteller here, I predict Ron will more than likely take a plea bargain and plead guilty to one felony and get probation and stuff like that- time will tell.

jmo

So you're saying history will repeat itself.

 

[titanfan62702]

I did ask him if the laws read differently in each state and he stated yes they do.
My understanding was the croslins went to GGS house after being told not to and Hank JR. shoved Ron first am I correct? BRB will take a look. I realize Hank Sr and Jr, and mom where leaving, but, I cant help wonder what was being said that could of possible provoked Ron again like before when he retreated into the house. I am sure Hank Jr. kept his mouth running. Didn't Hank Sr. hold Ron so Hank jr. could get a few licks in?

Who was there and reported that?