S.A. Concerned Defense will Sell Pics of Caylee's Remains

[bunnyphoenix1]

BC does not work for the Defence and is not a party to the SA's motion re the pics and video, so it makes no sense for him to be there for that purpose. I suspect he's trying to delay charges against the As, seeking immunity, or having to answer questions re previous sales of Caylee pics/videos.

 

[trac]

I personally don't think they should be sold to anyone, by anyone. I do think the state is overstepping by saying that only counsel and co counsel can view them. That limits Casey's defense and could open things to an appeal. What is Baez going to do with an xray he can't show anyone? He doesn't know how to read one, he has no credentials in that area whatsoever. The state's evidence should be sealable where Baez gets it, appropriate experts can view it under a confidentiality agreeement, and the their publishing or selling the data is strictly prohibited.

I think that the state is trying to get the defense to bring in specific experts to view the evidence IF the team how it stands now can't do it

With the name calling and accusations from JB towards the state - I think the state is thinking that the defense will do something that will comprimise the case/trial but utilizing the pictures and xrays towards a different outcome

The state doesn't want the news agencies to see the pix and xrays before the trial - because reporters will be in the courtroom for the trial and will see them and describe them at that time

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

:clap:

I ask why does Conway, George and Cindy's lawyer, have to meet with the prosecution regarding the release of the x-rays and pictures from the autopsy. He met with the prosecution reportedly for that reason. Casey is not his client, nor is Caylee for that matter. This is between the defense team for Casey and the prosecution. Something stinks and I am smelling the immunity request is so that proceeds continue to roll in, but the prosecution is wise to the ploy now. I see no other reason for Conway to step in and meet with them regarding the pictures and x-rays meanwhile he begs for immunity.

:clap::clap::clap:

 

[SuziQ]

I think this "selling idea came from that reporter on Nancy Grace." My impression was the SA wanted to be sure that no photo's were faxed or mailed to anyone (like his team of experts) for fear they would be intercepted and sold. I didn't get the impression anyone was accusing JB of selling pictures to anyone. They were talking(on NG) about security at the funeral home. Seems there is none and that triggered the SA to jump on the band wagon. Why are they not taking precautions at the funeral home? They should be, it seems that money hungry people are everywhere in FLA.
JMHO

ETA: Perhaps the family is worried about someone stealing photo's and spreading them all over the inquirer.. I know I would be, maybe that is why the family lawyer was involved. Sounds logical to me.

The selling idea came from the SA's own motion which the reporter was talking about. Pictures have been sold, the only question left is by who? It would be by whoever shot and took the pics. IMO, in this case that would mean any of the A's. I doubt any of them were paid directly. It's customary to use a third party broker in cases like this. That would point to Larry Garrison, who claims to have a story to tell in the future.

My feeling is the actual first autopsy pics or body at crime scene pics would bring in the most money. A pile of bones taken at a future date by the defense wouldn't be as sensational or valueable.

I don't think the funeral home would be an issue so far as they don't have history of selling pics for profit in this case.

 

[DotsEyes]

Aren't the experts going to come to Florida to examine her remains in any event? Are they just going to rely on pictures for their autopsy?? How many out of town experts does he plan on sending these too that won't be viewing Caylee's remains?

And how can he argue expense, when it no doubt is more expensive to fight the SA's motion than it is to fly them to Fla. to view the pics?

Just an FYI, there is very little actual expense in arguing an objection at a hearing. I read the motion and if it took an hour to draft, re-draft and complete for filing, I would be shocked. The filing fees are minimal, and attendance at the hearing to give oral argument is but a few hours of time for the defense attorney, even if he has to travel from Kissimee to Orlando for the hearing.

On the flip side, first class or business class round trip tickets from Connecticut to Orlando costs thousands of dollars and then there is the hotel, rental car, meals and expert hourly rate on top. This is for just one expert! I have never had an expert who would travel in the cheap seats or stay at a roach motel and eat fast food. These guys do not come cheap.

 

[maur33]

I think everyone is limiting themselves to the pictures of Caylee's autopsy and those findings as the cause for the motion. I believe that's not the case, it is the crime scene photo's and the photo's of Caylee's dead body that is the big issue here that causes great concern for the SA's. Those photo's could garner an enormous amount of money, millions I believe. I can absolutely see someone selling those photo's to fund casey's defense.

If jose is going to have another autopsy done, well that can't be done over the phone or the internet and those people need to go to the body not the other way around. There should be no reason to mail or send any of this to anyone, they should go there and see the photo's and do the second autopsy at the same time. The utmost care and concern for these crime scene photo's should trump all else. JMO

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

I respectfully disagree with you. The Anthony's have been devastated by the loss of their granddaughter. She was obviously a very loved child. If the A's had sold rights to particular pictures and video prior to the discovery of her remains, it is my opinion that the money received was used towards the private investigators and other means they used to search for little Caylee. I would bet my life on the fact that both Cindy and George would give their own lives to have Caylee back if they could. They are victims of their own love they had for their child... a child that lied and manipulated them and ultimately killed their granddaughter.

What do you base your opinion on? Because the facts are that they used donations to pay for their "search" and even admitted that they funded Lee's "parallel investigation" with donated funds. KFN helped them out also. And, the PIs claim they worked pro-bono. And coincidentally they've gone from pending foreclosure to the Ritz and none of them are working. What do you think has caused this financial turnaround for them?

 

[SuziQ]

I am not understanding the State's position here. Sure, the SA does not want the photosto show up on the cover of NE, but I am not quite getting how THINKING that the defense may sell the photos and OBSTRUCTING the defense by trying to place ridiculous restrictions on what Baez can and can not do with the photos, serves this purpose. There is always the risk that someone will steal photos and sell them, we see this happen all the time, but this risk is not sufficient to then limit the defendant's rights to investigate the state's evidence - even if it means the evidence must be sent out of state.

I must have missed something here. This is plain nutty and the Judge can not rule in favor of the State on this one. KC is entitlted to the photos without restriction and it appears that she can legally sell photos and videos of Caylee until her conviction according to FL law. Maybe someone can help me understand why the State believes it can determine the course of the defense.

The state can't legally stop the A's from selling the pics if they got ahold of them. But they can stop the pics from going any further than Baez. The SA is not witholding evidence, they are merely asking that the pics are not put in the position to be sold.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

added text - the family has a right to the autopsy findings, in fact everyone in the state of Florida has the rights to the autopsy findings, in Florida autopsies are a matter of public record. The Dale Earnhardt ruling doesn't apply to every autopsy record, it applies only to Dale Earnhardt's autopsy record. The only precedent it sets is that the family of the deceased has the right to apply to the courts for special remedy - in this case sealing the Earnhardt autopsy record.

Respectfully snipped by me.

One would think then, that if everything is above board, the Anthony family would rush to the courts to apply for that special remedy. Strange that their lawyer didn't mention this??!?!!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I agree with you SS,it's one thing showing cute Caylee while she was alive,but I doubt that the A's could be so callous as to want pics shown after death. They truly loved her.

I should have deleted that post since I have changed my tune on that one. I momentarily had confused them with people who do care.

I forgot who we were dealing with and how far they have gone to cover the murder of their own grandchild while begging for donations, lying to investigators, and the rest of everything they have done for this little girl they professed to love so truly. Love to them obviously means something entirely different to them than the rest of the world.

 

[Boston]

Link/citation please? If that's the case, I'm sure the Judge will throw it out quickly tomorrow. Somehow I doubt that will happen.

I find it really sad that people like you think it would be acceptable for them to profit from the pics, and am so glad the SA is stepping in trying to stop this happening.

I agree,

We'll have to wait until tomorrow to find out if the SA is only speculating about "Selling Images" or if they have actual proof.

Can you imagine the public backlash against the Defense they were ever to sell any images of Caylee's remains?

Jose isn't exactly a PR genius but I can't believe that he would be that stupid.

 

[wallflower67]

Okay, this is a really long thread and I can't remember everything I wanted to quote, so I'm just going to post my opinions.

IIRC, SA is asking that the pictures not be reproduced or sold. Do you think this has anything to do with the comment they made after Dr. Lee showed pictures on NG (I think that was the show)?

It could also be that they don't want pictures "leaked" and then have the defense state that SA leaked the photos and compromised the case. Yes, defense can take their own pictures, but then they wouldn't be able to claim that SA let them out. Make sense? Just a possible thought....

Lastly, I agree with other posters who have mentioned it's not about the A's needing time to grieve, it's about the fact most people do not have the luxury to grieve for this long. Some jobs will allow an extended leave of absence, but even then it's not at full pay. I'm not sure if someone has a Long Term Disability plan if they would be able to use that at this time, but again, it's not at full pay. While it would be nice to have ample time to grieve, society does not allow it. Heck, I was in grad school when my dad passed. It was two days before my final exam, and he'd been in the hospital for close to a month and in Hospice for a week. My exam was scheduled for Monday. The viewing was Tuesday, the funeral Wednesday. I asked my professor if I could take the exam at a later date. She let me take it Friday. And this was a counseling program!!

That's how things in my life work too. I took a final with a 150 degree fever because I was not allowed to take it at another time. My friend came in two days after having a baby to take a final.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Just an FYI, there is very little actual expense in arguing an objection at a hearing. I read the motion and if it took an hour to draft, re-draft and complete for filing, I would be shocked. The filing fees are minimal, and attendance at the hearing to give oral argument is but a few hours of time for the defense attorney, even if he has to travel from Kissimee to Orlando for the hearing.

On the flip side, first class or business class round trip tickets from Connecticut to Orlando costs thousands of dollars and then there is the hotel, rental car, meals and expert hourly rate on top. This is for just one expert! I have never had an expert who would travel in the cheap seats or stay at a roach motel and eat fast food. These guys do not come cheap.

I guess you missed this post of mine. :

Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching
Yet the defense team had the money to fly ALL of their highly paid experts into Orlando, pay for their time, food, lodging, and ammenities (travel expenses etc.) to stand at the active site knowing full well they would not be allowed in to be part of the ongoing investigation before the scene was cleared, but now they have the nerve to say it would be a financial burden to come for the autopsy?! GMAB!!!

So explain to me HOW and WHY he is arguing now about expenses about bringing them back to do their jobs they were signed on to do?

I hope the SA brings this up and the judge sees it for what it is. How long did they stay and posture for Geraldo's camera crew then when it came time for the scene to be turned over...they refused and left?! If I were the SA...I would be rolling some tape.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

No, the argument now is whether the state has the right to deny or restrict public records and evidence to the defense or dictate or demand whom the defense can name as expert witnesses in the defense of the client.
This is a game, Dotseyes. This is payback for the accusations that Baez made that leaks are coming from the prosecution. This kind of thing goes on all the time.

Where in the world do you get that from? They are just trying to protect what little dignity Caylee still has left...I don't see why you have such a problem with that. These orders are requested routinely with sensitive evidence. Any criminal lawyer can tell you that.

 

[Carrington]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18430243/detail.html
Anthony attorney talks like the A's are in charge of the remains.
See Raw interview with 9

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Maur and SS - ITA - its the crime scene pix that are worth the 7 digit $$. Those cannot be duplicated - this are the original ones taken and that's it.

As for BC going to the SA - here's a thought - WHAT IF there are things in those crime scene pix that implicate the A's or things that if the A's saw them - then they would know the gig is up?

I can't believe that JB actually put the words financially burdened in that motion.

WOW - every day this case goes to a new lower low.

 

[BonKai]

No, the argument now is whether the state has the right to deny or restrict public records and evidence to the defense or dictate or demand whom the defense can name as expert witnesses in the defense of the client.

This is a game, Dotseyes. This is payback for the accusations that Baez made that leaks are coming from the prosecution. This kind of thing goes on all the time.

Prosecution's Motion: http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0106/18424883.pdf

Florida Statutes can be found here: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes

 

[Broderick]

Where in the world do you get that from? They are just trying to protect what little dignity Caylee still has left...I don't see why you have such a problem with that. These orders are requested routinely with sensitive evidence. Any criminal lawyer can tell you that.

The most valuable pictures are the most gruesome.

They can't sell anything if they get indicted or charged with anything related to this case.

Hence, immunity and release are the most important things for all concerned. Baez, the Anthonys, and Conway all need this, including all the ancillary players.

 

[BonKai]

I think everyone is limiting themselves to the pictures of Caylee's autopsy and those findings as the cause for the motion. I believe that's not the case, it is the crime scene photo's and the photo's of Caylee's dead body that is the big issue here that causes great concern for the SA's. Those photo's could garner an enormous amount of money, millions I believe. I can absolutely see someone selling those photo's to fund casey's defense.

If jose is going to have another autopsy done, well that can't be done over the phone or the internet and those people need to go to the body not the other way around. There should be no reason to mail or send any of this to anyone, they should go there and see the photo's and do the second autopsy at the same time. The utmost care and concern for these crime scene photo's should trump all else. JMO

Good point about the Crime Scene photos as well.

ITA with all that you have said and you said it very well. :clap:

 

[Bev]

You know, bunny, what I find sad? People who make accusations and assumptions without evidence or proof. I did NOT say that I approve or condone anyone selling or disseminating information in a case like this - I SAID that it is the right of the As to sell, license or lease their copyrighted material and intellectual property. That is the law and it is informed by our first amd. rights to freedom of speech and the body of law governing copyrighted property in this country, not to mention the copyright clause of the U.S. constitution. Whether we like it or not, it's the law.

The VI amd also protects the right of the accused to confront witnesses in court and that right is extended to physical evidence as well. It is a violation of KC's 6th amd rights to withhold or make conditional the release of evidence in her defense.