S.A. Concerned Defense will Sell Pics of Caylee's Remains

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What could the prosecution still be investigating that would keep them from turning over old interviews, DNA results, search warrants, etc?


I know very little aside from the basics of the law, but perhaps this is just the necessary pre-trial leg work (sound familiar?) that any defense has to put in motion to compel the work product of the SA?
 
IMO, The SA is merely saying there is a market for these pics and wants them protected just in case.
 
This is a waste of time trying to explain this, but I'm going to try one more time -

First, read the motion.
Second, I did not claim that the prosecution is making a motion to withhold evidence, in fact, I said just the opposite.
Third, what this motion is doing in effect, is placing undue restrictions and a burden on the defense to prepare a proper defense for their client. In the real world, both defense and prosecution send reports and copies of reports to agencies to seek expert opinion. This happens every single day of the week. Evidence in this case was sent to various outside entities to seek expert opinion. This evidence is still being evaluated by outside entities and reports written. By restricting the right of the defense in any way in seeking expert advice, reports or evaluation is to set a precedent that the state is entitled to dictate to the defense who he can call as a witness, who he can claim is an expert witness and how he can disseminate that information to those expert witnesses. Now I'm not making this up, this is a constitutional matter which has established a body of rulings establishing this right. The confrontation clause of the 6th amd. has been interpreted broadly by the USSC to include physical evidence and the right of the defendant to a zealous defense.
Fourth, this isn't anything remotely like protecting the identity of the victim as they do in sex abuse cases and/or *advertiser censored*. The victim's identity is known. The release of the photos to the public may be distasteful, but it doesn't meet the exception rule of protection of the victim's identity.
Fifth, the burden is placed inordinately on the defense to protect the restrictions on this evidence - it could be just as easily passed from the prosecution to the press or others by their dissemination of evidence and information. The defense has no ability to protect this evidence when it is in the possession of others, including prosecution witnesses.
Sixth, there is zero evidence to support the claim by the prosecution that any photos were sold by the defense or anyone else for that matter. There has to be some basis for making an extraodinary motion to prevent something that may happen in the future without providing evidence that it happened in the past and will happen in the future. The prosecutor may suspect that it has been done, but the state needs more than suspicion with which to establish a precedent in the restriction of evidence or placing undue burdens and responsiblities on the defense which they themselves do not share.

Now I know that you hate KC, you hate Jose Baez, you hate the As, you hate the P.I. or anyone else for that matter who happens to be connected in any way, shape or form with the defense, but this is the reality of our system - we are ALL entitled to the best defense and in the centuries of common law, constitutional and legislative law we are all entitled to the same zealous defense on behalf of the client that the defendant would do for himself. This has been our common law since the Greek states and the days of the Roman empire. If one person's rights are abridged, that means that a precedent has been set that allows the state to abridge ALL our rights. This is the true reality of the law.

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Excellent Analysis!

IMHO I think the LE must have a very weak, circumstantial case against KC. That became evident to me when they went back into the house and removed more items (mostly clothing) from KC's room. If they were looking for fiber evidence, they didn''t find it in the first batch of stuff they took out.

I have found it very odd and scary they way LE has released the VOLUMES of documents designed to prejudice the public against KC. I find it very odd and scary the way they are trying to hold back and/or delay the release of evidence that the defense is entitled to. Why?

I want to see a person convicted of the crime they commit as well as anyone else does. But I want to see it done fairly and based on sound evidence from honest police work.

SOMEONE "close to the investigation" is releasing/inferring a lot of misleading information designed to inflame the public and it is working! Just look at the frenzy on so many message boards. My question again is why do they feel the need to do this for this particular case? It has my hinky meter hitting the top of the scale!

As always, JMHO.
 
What could the prosecution still be investigating that would keep them from turning over old interviews, DNA results, search warrants, etc?

Scratching my head on that one too. They have yet to release the useful tips that have been demanded several times. They released a bunch of psychic tips that were useless (perhaps the german sheppard peeing one was the exception in hindsight - lol).
 
Since the photos are apparently no longer an issue, what else is on the agenda for tomorrows hearing? Anyone know?

If NG's info is true, it sounds like the defense and prosecution were able to work out some sort of compromise today. That's a good thing.

How did I miss that?? Link please. Last I heard JB had filed his reply to the motion. I didn't hear they settled it.
 
OT..
I so hope we get a doc dum soon... I want to see the DNA results. I'm also intrigued by the fact the 8/14/08 interview w/ the A's has not been released. Just what is on there that they do not want us to hear yet.
 
I know very little aside from the basics of the law, but perhaps this is just the necessary pre-trial leg work (sound familiar?) that any defense has to put in motion to compel the work product of the SA?

I don't believe the defense is supposed to be required to file a motion for every individual piece of discovery. :waitasec:
 
Scratching my head on that one too. They have yet to release the useful tips that have been demanded several times. They released a bunch of psychic tips that were useless (perhaps the german sheppard peeing one was the exception in hindsight - lol).

No references to hindsight of dogs peeing, please :eek:
 
OT..
I so hope we get a doc dum soon... I want to see the DNA results. I'm also intrigued by the fact the 8/14/08 interview w/ the A's has not been released. Just what is on there that they do not want us to hear yet.

That was one that caught my eye, along with unedited Kronk calls. Not Krank calls, but Kronk calls... lmao.
 
:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Excellent Analysis!

IMHO I think the LE must have a very weak, circumstantial case against KC. That became evident to me when they went back into the house and removed more items (mostly clothing) from KC's room. If they were looking for fiber evidence, they didn''t find it in the first batch of stuff they took out.

I have found it very odd and scary they way LE has released the VOLUMES of documents designed to prejudice the public against KC. I find it very odd and scary the way they are trying to hold back and/or delay the release of evidence that the defense is entitled to. Why?

I want to see a person convicted of the crime they commit as well as anyone else does. But I want to see it done fairly and based on sound evidence from honest police work.

SOMEONE "close to the investigation" is releasing/inferring a lot of misleading information designed to inflame the public and it is working! Just look at the frenzy on so many message boards. My question again is why do they feel the need to do this for this particular case? It has my hinky meter hitting the top of the scale!

As always, JMHO.

You probably should have posted that to the rant thread. The topic here is the SA being concerned pics will be sold.
 
What could the prosecution still be investigating that would keep them from turning over old interviews, DNA results, search warrants, etc?

I find it very interesting the defense filed a motion to get GA,CA, & Lee's DNA results. Are they worried about paternity?

A good defense team would have already done the DNA themselves if they were worried.

It appears to me that the defense does not have the money to conduct this trial defense.

If you read #6 on that motion - it says talks about "selling" of the pictures and prior selling. Interesting.
 
This is a waste of time trying to explain this, but I'm going to try one more time -

First, read the motion.
Second, I did not claim that the prosecution is making a motion to withhold evidence, in fact, I said just the opposite.
Third, what this motion is doing in effect, is placing undue restrictions and a burden on the defense to prepare a proper defense for their client. In the real world, both defense and prosecution send reports and copies of reports to agencies to seek expert opinion. This happens every single day of the week. Evidence in this case was sent to various outside entities to seek expert opinion. This evidence is still being evaluated by outside entities and reports written. By restricting the right of the defense in any way in seeking expert advice, reports or evaluation is to set a precedent that the state is entitled to dictate to the defense who he can call as a witness, who he can claim is an expert witness and how he can disseminate that information to those expert witnesses. Now I'm not making this up, this is a constitutional matter which has established a body of rulings establishing this right. The confrontation clause of the 6th amd. has been interpreted broadly by the USSC to include physical evidence and the right of the defendant to a zealous defense.
Fourth, this isn't anything remotely like protecting the identity of the victim as they do in sex abuse cases and/or *advertiser censored*. The victim's identity is known. The release of the photos to the public may be distasteful, but it doesn't meet the exception rule of protection of the victim's identity.
Fifth, the burden is placed inordinately on the defense to protect the restrictions on this evidence - it could be just as easily passed from the prosecution to the press or others by their dissemination of evidence and information. The defense has no ability to protect this evidence when it is in the possession of others, including prosecution witnesses.
Sixth, there is zero evidence to support the claim by the prosecution that any photos were sold by the defense or anyone else for that matter. There has to be some basis for making an extraodinary motion to prevent something that may happen in the future without providing evidence that it happened in the past and will happen in the future. The prosecutor may suspect that it has been done, but the state needs more than suspicion with which to establish a precedent in the restriction of evidence or placing undue burdens and responsiblities on the defense which they themselves do not share.

Now I know that you hate KC, you hate Jose Baez, you hate the As, you hate the P.I. or anyone else for that matter who happens to be connected in any way, shape or form with the defense, but this is the reality of our system - we are ALL entitled to the best defense and in the centuries of common law, constitutional and legislative law we are all entitled to the same zealous defense on behalf of the client that the defendant would do for himself. This has been our common law since the Greek states and the days of the Roman empire. If one person's rights are abridged, that means that a precedent has been set that allows the state to abridge ALL our rights. This is the true reality of the law.

Actually the state has to maintain a series of strict rules called "chain of custody" on any evidence. And if any evidence should somehow escape their physical custody then the evidence is pretty much worthless as far as trial is concerned- because the defense will object due to the possibility that tampering could have occurred.

Basically the SA is only asking of the defense to follow the same rules that the SA and LE must follow.
 
Since the photos are apparently no longer an issue, what else is on the agenda for tomorrows hearing? Anyone know?

If NG's info is true, it sounds like the defense and prosecution were able to work out some sort of compromise today. That's a good thing.

I am not convinced they are no longer an issue. That info may be about an "agreement" but since the motion is already filed, the court would have to agree to anything pertaining to it, so it is still on the table.
 
I am not convinced they are no longer an issue. That info may be about an "agreement" but since the motion is already filed, the court would have to agree to anything pertaining to it, so it is still on the table.

The motion could have been withdrawn if an agreement was reached.
 
This is a waste of time trying to explain this, but I'm going to try one more time -

First, read the motion.
Second, I did not claim that the prosecution is making a motion to withhold evidence, in fact, I said just the opposite.
Third, what this motion is doing in effect, is placing undue restrictions and a burden on the defense to prepare a proper defense for their client. In the real world, both defense and prosecution send reports and copies of reports to agencies to seek expert opinion. This happens every single day of the week. Evidence in this case was sent to various outside entities to seek expert opinion. This evidence is still being evaluated by outside entities and reports written. By restricting the right of the defense in any way in seeking expert advice, reports or evaluation is to set a precedent that the state is entitled to dictate to the defense who he can call as a witness, who he can claim is an expert witness and how he can disseminate that information to those expert witnesses. Now I'm not making this up, this is a constitutional matter which has established a body of rulings establishing this right. The confrontation clause of the 6th amd. has been interpreted broadly by the USSC to include physical evidence and the right of the defendant to a zealous defense.
Fourth, this isn't anything remotely like protecting the identity of the victim as they do in sex abuse cases and/or *advertiser censored*. The victim's identity is known. The release of the photos to the public may be distasteful, but it doesn't meet the exception rule of protection of the victim's identity.
Fifth, the burden is placed inordinately on the defense to protect the restrictions on this evidence - it could be just as easily passed from the prosecution to the press or others by their dissemination of evidence and information. The defense has no ability to protect this evidence when it is in the possession of others, including prosecution witnesses.
Sixth, there is zero evidence to support the claim by the prosecution that any photos were sold by the defense or anyone else for that matter. There has to be some basis for making an extraodinary motion to prevent something that may happen in the future without providing evidence that it happened in the past and will happen in the future. The prosecutor may suspect that it has been done, but the state needs more than suspicion with which to establish a precedent in the restriction of evidence or placing undue burdens and responsiblities on the defense which they themselves do not share.

Now I know that you hate KC, you hate Jose Baez, you hate the As, you hate the P.I. or anyone else for that matter who happens to be connected in any way, shape or form with the defense, but this is the reality of our system - we are ALL entitled to the best defense and in the centuries of common law, constitutional and legislative law we are all entitled to the same zealous defense on behalf of the client that the defendant would do for himself. This has been our common law since the Greek states and the days of the Roman empire. If one person's rights are abridged, that means that a precedent has been set that allows the state to abridge ALL our rights. This is the true reality of the law.

They will restrict it because it will come under child abuse statutes. We will see in the morning.
 
I don't understand why Baez has to file motions to get all of this info? I am not that crazy about him but why isn't the prosecution releasing this info to him? Why are they dragging their feet on everything. That doesn't seem right to me and it doesn't seem right that JB has to file a motion for every single thing. He is entitled to all of it as soon as the prosecution has results. Shame on the prosecution for holding back all this stuff.
 

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