Australia Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat 100km NW of Melbourne, 4 Feb 2024 #8

[Dotta]

Commissioner Shane Patton does not state anything about the headphones nor anything about clothing of SM. Were the headphones found? Did they dislodge during the struggle? MOO
Thank you Dotta.

Wow!
Headphones!!!
You might be right.
Nothing was said about them.
Hmmm....
Double hmmm...

 

[TrunkImagine]

If the accused's family really did flee, you have to wonder what they already knew or what words were spoken/evidence presented to them by police...

I doubt the police would have a duty to inform the accused parents about anything. He an adult, not a minor, and they'd be keeping the evidence close to their chest. MOO

 

[Whatson]

I doubt the police would have a duty to inform the accused parents about anything. He an adult, not a minor, and they'd be keeping the evidence close to their chest. MOO

True.

 

[BreakingNews]

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"Samantha Murphy search:​

Police using sniffer dogs to​

find SIM card.​

On Thursday, the force’s Chief Commissioner Shane Patton revealed police would continue searching 'around there again'
today but at a new site.

'We’ll be going to a different location but we will also use assistance from the Australian Federal Police today in technical detection dogs',
he told ABC Radio Melbourne.

'We don’t have the capacity — we are trying to get that capability — to run a dog that can detect a SIM from a mobile phone and that type of thing'.

'We still haven’t recovered her phone and her watch.

We’ll use all those specialist skills'."

New tactic in Samantha Murphy search

Police will bring dogs capable of sniffing out mobile phone SIM cards as they scour a new bushland location for the body of alleged murder victim Samantha Murphy.

www-news-com-au.cdn.ampproject.org

Dotta, this tech stuff is mind blowing. I've been researching Sim vs phone. I understand that if they have the phone only they could still trace movements, but a Sim on its own? Isn't there a chance that the Sim card might still be in the phone. Yet police focus on finding sim? Makes me wonder why police seem so desperate to find it? Can't the telco assist? In the Baden Clay murder, police never found Allison's phone, and it didn't seem to be such a deal as with SM.

 

[Whatson]

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Dotta, this tech stuff is mind blowing. I've been researching Sim vs phone. I understand that if they have the phone only they could still trace movements, but a Sim on its own? Isn't there a chance that the Sim card might still be in the phone. Yet police focus on finding sim? Makes me wonder why police seem so desperate to find it? Can't the telco assist? In the Baden Clay murder, police never found Allison's phone, and it didn't seem to be such a deal as with SM.

Imagine if they found out the sim pinged from a different phone other than SM's...

 

[BreakingNews]

You would think that if anyone had the right to know the details of how a loved one died, it would be the family.

So true. But I'm starting to think police don't have enough yet for a watertight conviction.

JMO

 

[BreakingNews]

Wow!
Headphones!!!
You might be right.
Nothing was said about them.
Hmmm....
Double hmmm...

In the original searches, police didn't say anything about headphones, only phone, watch and Sim card. What could head phones tell us anyway, except maybe where she lost them?

 

[DK007]

hahaha love it "prep" a slip up instead of "perp" but accurate when a perp acts like a prep kid!

@Liadan Thanks for pointing that out. Perp indeed, instead of prep

 

[DK007]

Do we know that he has admitted to it?

Not to my knowledge. He may be staying silent to see how LE plays this out. Maybe he thinks he’s several steps ahead of LE and it’s a game for him of wait n see ?

 

[DK007]

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Dotta, this tech stuff is mind blowing. I've been researching Sim vs phone. I understand that if they have the phone only they could still trace movements, but a Sim on its own? Isn't there a chance that the Sim card might still be in the phone. Yet police focus on finding sim? Makes me wonder why police seem so desperate to find it? Can't the telco assist? In the Baden Clay murder, police never found Allison's phone, and it didn't seem to be such a deal as with SM.

the LE found a lot of information and evidence with the tech sniffer dogs in the EP case

 

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[Deleted member 340727]

Police Commissioner Shane Patton has stated to the effect that dogs are able to sniff out technology such as mobile phones and also sim cards but stated: 'We don’t have the capacity' and 'we’re trying to get that capability'

What does he mean by: 'we’re trying to get that capability'? Is there an indication here that he is awaiting assistance from another party?

Do we have the full transcript of this statement by Police Commissioner Shane Patton?

 

[acutename]

"Samantha Murphy search:​

Police using sniffer dogs to​

find SIM card.​

On Thursday, the force’s Chief Commissioner Shane Patton revealed police would continue searching 'around there again'
today but at a new site.

'We’ll be going to a different location but we will also use assistance from the Australian Federal Police today in technical detection dogs',
he told ABC Radio Melbourne.

'We don’t have the capacity — we are trying to get that capability — to run a dog that can detect a SIM from a mobile phone and that type of thing'.

'We still haven’t recovered her phone and her watch.

We’ll use all those specialist skills'."

https://www-news-com-au.cdn.ampproj...d/news-story/f8a69f347b30e60cb09ff6e244d9f8a3

IMO if this really did have a planning aspect and was not a hurried cover up, I think the watch and phone would have been very thoroughly destroyed. However, since the search for SM began soon after she went missing, imagine the murderer trying to deal with a body, a phone, a watch, all differently and all at once. There could be some data because he could not dispatch everything simultaneously esp. if he was doing this himself. Also, if his phone data shows him connected 24/7 for months prior to this incident but he goes "off line" only for this brief period, that too is suspicious. IMO.

 

[Dotta]

I don't really think that the alleged perp took some photos on his phone as some here suggested (trophies).

Considering his interest in IT, he must be forensically conscious this way.

That he might have been caught by his phone allegedly pinging near SM, seems to point to a random/not premeditated attack.

But later on, his phone did not seem to lead to the victim's body.

Police taking tree sap in the area and talking about a damaged car, points to his car/a car being allegedly used.

That he was charged with murder so soon after the arrest - but not immediately - might mean Police allegedly found evidence (in his car?
Was it e.g: a single hair of the victim?)

JMO

 

[acutename]

The interview would have consisted of questions surrounding what he had done that day etc etc. not just did he do it or not. Also scenarios would have been put to him. He could have just said "No comment" to every question.

maybe he has no alibi for the time(s) in question and his closest associates either cannot confirm anything or were told untruths?

 

[acutename]

I don't really think that the alleged perp took some photos on his phone as some here suggested (trophies).

Considering his interest in IT, he must be forensically conscious this way.

That he might have been caught by his phone allegedly pinging near SM, seems to point to a random/not premeditated attack.

But later on, his phone did not seem to lead to the victim's body.

Police taking tree sap in the area and talking about a damaged car, points to his car being allegedly used.

That he was charged with murder so soon after the arrest - but not immediately - might mean Police allegedly found evidence (in his car?
Was it e.g: a single hair of the victim?)

JMO

If there is any of SM's DNA in his car, how could it have gotten there? and was he capable of transporting with... what should we say "surgical precision?"

 

[Dezzie]

I doubt the police would have a duty to inform the accused parents about anything. He an adult, not a minor, and they'd be keeping the evidence close to their chest. MOO

I was thinking more along the lines of what could the parents have informed the police about, in my original comment about the parents fleeing/avoiding media attention etc.

PS may have attempted to go on about life as usual, it may have seemed to work, however IMO, family, especially with hindsight, are very likely to have noticed offhand comments or strange behavior that was brushed off at the time.
Even if PS had outright confessed to a family member, we wouldn't know it. At least we dont yet....
With several posts assuming he may have confided something to his gf, who from the media perspective, seems to be going about life as usual and not hiding (successfully) from cameras.. It seems just as likely to me, if not more so, that perhaps the family could know more. They could be assisting in the investigation, and if they were, would they be given some protection from the media circus etc.

 

[Dotta]

Another reflection...

Police were reported in MSM that they were checking local sexual abusers/alibi.

Could it mean that the accused was allegedly known to Police previously?

Can somebody allegedly attack and murder a woman "out of the blue", without previous red flags?

Attack in broad daylight???
At 8 o'clock in the morning??
It seems soooo brazen.
(Although it might indicate alleged influence of drugs/alcohol)

I wonder,
since the name was made public,
if some other women/girls contacted Police and reported some abuse by the accused?

JMO

 

[Deleted member 340727]

Another reflection...

Police were reported in MSM that they were checking local sexual abusers/alibi.

Could it mean that the accused was allegedly known to Police previously?

Can somebody allegedly attack and murder a woman "out of the blue", without previous red flags?

Attack in broad daylight???
At 8 o'clock in the morning??
It seems soooo brazen.
(Although it might indicate alleged influence of drugs/alcohol)

I wonder,
since the name was made public,
if some other women/girls contacted Police and reported some abuse by the accused?

JMO

Thank you for your post Dotta.
There are a couple of points that you have stated that I am unsure of.
'Police were reported in MSM that they were checking local sexual abusers/alibi.'
Where was this reported and was this an associated aspect of the SM case?
Wouldn't forensics have DNA profiling in their database and therefore early detection?
Thank you.

 

[Dotta]

Thank you for your post Dotta.
There are a couple of points that you have stated that I am unsure of.
'Police were reported in MSM that they were checking local sexual abusers/alibi.'
Where was this reported and was this an associated aspect of the SM case?
Wouldn't forensics have DNA profiling in their database and therefore early detection?
Thank you.

You ask and here you are:

"Known violent criminals in the area are also being spoken to, including a male sex offender.

That man was reportedly interviewed by detectives for several hours and provided an alibi for the day of Ms Murphy's disappearance.

Extra detectives

including personnel from the sex crimes,

counter-terror, fraud and armed robbery divisions in Melbourne, have been brought in to help with the case.

There is no suggestion the sex offender is involved in Ms Murphy's disappearance in any way and he is understood to have provided an alibi, which is being corroborated."

Samantha Murphy: Cops investigate 'movements to and from' home

Police have said there was a 'number of movements' to and from the Murphy house on February 4, the day the mother-of-three disappeared.

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"A convicted sex offender has been interviewed by detectives investigating the disappearance of Samantha Murphy, according to a new report."

Sex offender interviewed in search for missing mum

A convicted sex offender who has spent time in jail has been interviewed by detectives investigating the disappearance of Ballarat woman Samantha Murphy, a new report has suggested.

www-news-com-au.cdn.ampproject.org