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My case was in Melbourne in late 1980s and that's pretty much how it worked here too.I was on jury for a murder once. The murder occurred in a town about an hour + away from where the trial took place. It's not at all like Bull. They only know your name, address, occupation. You don't complete any questionnaires, or answer any questions other than can you be impartial in this case. We were just a bunch of randoms thrown together.
Would we be informed if they found a part of her body in his possession? If they found a hand in his car or in his parents home for example, would they tell the family or make a public announcement? A significant body part matched to her and connected to him could be direct evidence of murder….It is so unusual , Eric, that I cannot recall VICPOL making such sort of statement before. . I don't think they have gone nuts, either, if they have, what an unfortunate time to do it .
They must have information ( in whatever form it takes ) to clearly indentify Mrs. Murphy as the victim, and Mr. Stephensen as the perpetrator. And no one else. Not the tiniest bit of capacity to misinterpret this information that they have must exist. To claim someone is dead without seeing, or actually even finding the body is one huge leap of faith, unless there is that kind of information that leads to no other possible conclusion.
I am not sure that unusual actually covers it adequately.
That counts as human remains, and I cannot think of any reason why they would not inform the family.Would we be informed if they found a part of her body in his possession? If they found a hand in his car or in his parents home for example, would they tell the family or make a public announcement? A significant body part matched to her and connected to him could be direct evidence of murder….
If VICPOL considered that information to be in the public interest, then yes., if not, then no, it would be made public during trial, perhaps not in the opening sequence, but in questioning of the accused during trial.Would we be informed if they found a part of her body in his possession? If they found a hand in his car or in his parents home for example, would they tell the family or make a public announcement? A significant body part matched to her and connected to him could be direct evidence of murder….
it was very iffy stuff, nifty.. It went nearly as quickly as it appeared.
Maybe, maybe not. There was quite a lot of discussion when Melissa Caddick's foot was found, about whether it was definite proof that she was deceased.Would we be informed if they found a part of her body in his possession? If they found a hand in his car or in his parents home for example, would they tell the family or make a public announcement? A significant body part matched to her and connected to him could be direct evidence of murder….
This seems entirely possible (although we have no way of knowing).I understand and respect what you're saying. But in the moment he was asked "was it a hit and run" and he paused briefly before responding "no", an alternative interpretation could be that if LE were alleging that Samantha died directly due to some other means undertaken by the perpetrator subsequent to an incident with a vehicle, he may have felt it more accurate to reply "no" to her death being a hit and run
Victoria's second greatest Shane. I bow to his credentials.'provincial police officer'...
Shane Andrew Patton APM is an Australian police officer and as of June 2020, the Chief Commissioner of Victoria Police. Currently, is in charge of at June 2023, Victoria Police has 21,326 staff, comprising 15,842 police officers, 1,412 Protective Services Officers, 346 Police Custody Officers and 216 Police Recruits in training, 2 reservists and 3,507 Victorian Public Service (VPS) employees across 333 police stations.
Quite a large operation. Covering a land mass the size of England, minus Wales , a bit bigger than Oregon, a little bigger than Utah, USA.
Hear hear!'provincial police officer'...
Shane Andrew Patton APM is an Australian police officer and as of June 2020, the Chief Commissioner of Victoria Police. Currently, is in charge of at June 2023, Victoria Police has 21,326 staff, comprising 15,842 police officers, 1,412 Protective Services Officers, 346 Police Custody Officers and 216 Police Recruits in training, 2 reservists and 3,507 Victorian Public Service (VPS) employees across 333 police stations.
Quite a large operation. Covering a land mass the size of England, minus Wales , a bit bigger than Oregon, a little bigger than Utah, USA.
Not to mention the deceased. She's pretty silent.Eh what? Her family are entirely entitled to remain silent, and I don't imagine they want to be in jail at all!
I was trying to be gentler when I used the example of a hand. In truth I was thinking of another body part that you can’t be without, and would indicate death and murder in no uncertain terms.Maybe, maybe not. There was quite a lot of discussion when Melissa Caddick's foot was found, about whether it was definite proof that she was deceased.
This seems entirely possible (although we have no way of knowing).
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My apologies, I was expecting you could all read my mind haha….Eh what? Her family are entirely entitled to remain silent, and I don't imagine they want to be in jail at all!
Bingo! I claim seen and heard. They would not make a mistake about it, claiming her to be deceased if there was any, the slightest chance of that being an error. And also, no possibility, not the tiniest piece of possibility of a mis identification. They have to be absolutely sure it is her. And, consequently, absolutely sure that it was him that caused this horror.I was trying to be gentler when I used the example of a hand. In truth I was thinking of another body part that you can’t be without, and would indicate death and murder in no uncertain terms.
The police have somehow seen for themselves the harm done to Samantha.
Queensland. A while ago. We were all challenged the first time around. I thought that was me done. But we all went through it a second time. I was juror #11. I think body language and profiling are not done in Australia. It seemed much more random. And our jury was varied. No 'type'. I think we sometimes think tv is real. It sure isn't. Especially in Australia. Both prosecution and defence know we have a fair and equitable system. I've been on a jury several times. Only once for murder. I've seen defence lawyers not doing a very good job, because they know what is fair. Honestly, I don't believe jury profiling is really done at all. Shows like Bull are just that in Australia. Bull. Presume innocent and have a fair and equitable trial.Was that in Victoria? That's interesting that no questions are asked beyond whether you have the ability to be impartial. I'm guessing a lot more rides on body language and profiling that I originally thought.
Consider yourself lucky. It's not all beer and skittles, believe me.I've never been called for jury duty, I swear I'm on some banned list for all the court cases I've attended