Australia Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat, 4 Feb 2024 *Arrest* #12

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That "access point" is still another barbed-wire fence away from the northernmost dam.
That barbed wire fence the police officer is climbing over is on the corner of the phone dam, on the road and right beside the bushes that were excavated. It’s the one I referred to before that leads straight to the red cross in the paddock right beside where the phone was found in the dam. The top of that section of the fence is wood so you can climb over without standing on the barbed wire (like in the photo). I don’t think PS would have gone to this trouble but he’s possibly tall and agile so maybe he did. Just exploring options and that’s plausible.
 

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That barbed wire fence the police officer is climbing over is on the corner of the phone dam, on the road and right beside the bushes that were excavated. It’s the one I referred to before that leads straight to the red cross in the paddock right beside where the phone was found in the dam. The top of that section of the fence is wood so you can climb over without standing on the barbed wire (like in the photo). I don’t think PS would have gone to this trouble but he’s possibly tall and agile so maybe he did. Just exploring options and that’s plausible.
No, look, here is the fence the police officer is climbing.
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It's here: Google Maps

The boomerang shaped dam is to the left, beyond the fence that runs at a right-angle to the road. The middle dam is to the right.

I think you're mistaking that climbing point for the other end of the paddock, shown here:
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does it really matter how he threw the phone in the reservoir? i love your dedication though!

my 02c. he threw it from the road. it could well have been a spontaneous idea of where to ditch it.
It's not so much about the pitch point, as getting our signals straight, so when we think we understand each other we actually do.
 
Did PS work for his father? They’d have similar work vehicles don’t you think? Perhaps no company decals too.
The enclosed tray would hold electrical supplies and tools ready for all the jobs.

I don’t know the answer to that Rocket. I was originally of the understanding that he did work for his father, but rather recently someone corrected me and said he worked elsewhere ( didn’t say where )
 
This post was removed this morning, as I didn’t provide a link. Would be the first time I have ever posted something without a link… but I thought Registration info would be clear where it was sourced. Anyway, here it is again, with links.

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Registration number deciphered from pic above…

 

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Police have said he acted alone in the murder, but have not come out and said the accused has put the phone in the dam, and he needs to be linked to the dam, otherwise there is a good chance someone else has place the phone in there.
And If tests on the phone come back that the phone was put in there after the accused was in prison, then again someone else has done it
If the police suspect others involved, they would be keeping their mouths shut
Everyone has an opinion on this case and my opinion is there is more to this, with others involvement.
The accused has to be found guilty as well in a court of law, otherwise he could walk out as a free man
IMO - Not for me, I’m using the reasoning that if LE believe PS acted alone, then they’re also of the belief that PS & PS alone threw the phone where it was found. For all we know, they may even have PS’s fingerprints on the phone. We just don’t know. So I’m currently believing what LE have said, whether what they’ve said regarding they believe that PS was acting alone is true or not, we’ll not find out until later. Granted, I have seen in one investigation (In America) where LE lied to the public regarding a certain flatmate & where her room was located in a particular house so I am aware they’re not always honest with the public, I just can’t think of where I’ve seen Australian LE deliberately mislead the public. MOO
 
IMO - Not for me, I’m using the reasoning that if LE believe PS acted alone, then they’re also of the belief that PS & PS alone threw the phone where it was found. For all we know, they may even have PS’s fingerprints on the phone. We just don’t know. So I’m currently believing what LE have said, whether what they’ve said regarding they believe that PS was acting alone is true or not, we’ll not find out until later. Granted, I have seen in one investigation (In America) where LE lied to the public regarding a certain flatmate & where her room was located in a particular house so I am aware they’re not always honest with the public, I just can’t think of where I’ve seen Australian LE deliberately mislead the public. MOO


The police don't have to be honest with the public, If they are close to cracking a case and have others under suspicion, who then know what the police are up to.

The police will only say what they want getting out to the public, nothing more. They keep all information close to their chests

The facts are that we have not been told if the accused actually put the phone in the dam, so really we can't say for certain that he did, as no statement has come out from police

The police might have said he acted alone earlier in the piece, but they could also have others under intelligence to keep a track on them and gather evidence, but so much more new information has come forth, including witnesses, CCTV etc since the beginning. The police might have linked his phone to Samantha at Mt Clear, but we don't know If there were others in that area, who didn't have mobile phones, so couldn't be traced.

And now they have found her phone, so there will be new evidence on board. If the police can't link the accused to her phone then someone else has put it in there, this will also be important for his defence team, especially If the phone has only recently been placed there, when the accused has been in prison

We will know a lot more soon
 
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We will know a lot more soon

Your posts have been saying this for months now, Scooby. And yet here we are.

I have no idea why it is thought that the police will not be able to link PS to Sam's phone. Obviously in the police claiming that PS murdered Sam in a deliberate attack at Mount Clear, PS was in the same vicinity as Sam's phone.


About 8am – Murphy is believed to have reached the Mount Clear area by foot, according to mobile phone data later obtained by police. Link

Police allege Murphy was murdered on the day she disappeared, in the Mount Clear area – where mobile phone data allegedly led police to return to the area previously searched. Link

'We will be alleging that murder occurred at Mount Clear on the day she disappeared,' Mr Patton said. Link
 
My post was deleted too. All I suggested was the 5-IC part of the registration may have meant to be interpreted as "SICK" (cool sick) as I have seen it used before like that on license plates.
i too had a couple removed due to no links, frustrating imo when you’re simply throwing thoughts around ! Oh well …
 
Your posts have been saying this for months now, Scooby. And yet here we are.

I have no idea why it is thought that the police will not be able to link PS to Sam's phone. Obviously in the police claiming that PS murdered Sam in a deliberate attack at Mount Clear, PS was in the same vicinity as Sam's phone.


About 8am – Murphy is believed to have reached the Mount Clear area by foot, according to mobile phone data later obtained by police. Link

Police allege Murphy was murdered on the day she disappeared, in the Mount Clear area – where mobile phone data allegedly led police to return to the area previously searched. Link

'We will be alleging that murder occurred at Mount Clear on the day she disappeared,' Mr Patton said. Link

Here we are, waiting, hopefully a trial ?

I wouldn't be getting hung up on the "volume" of evidence.
Convictions are based on the quality of evidence, not quantity.

Hours and hours of CCTV footage from multiple cameras, pages and pages of phone pings do not prove anything unless they can be indisputably linked to the prosecution's theory or account of events.

But on the other hand, a single frame captured or a couple of isolated phone pings may on their own be enough to prove guilt.

But the defence needs to show it is possible that someone else could have been there. They need to also prove beyond reasonable doubt that nobody else was there. How can they do they prove that ? Just because no other phone pinged? Maybe the other person didn't carry a phone.
It is reasonable to posit that another person was also there at around the same time who has not been identified, and the accused was just a passer-by with his phone on.

We don't know if the circumstantial evidence of phone pings / GPS data etc..will be enough to prove a connection between the two parties, enough to suggest a motive?
Yes, if the data proved that Samantha and the accused were in the same place at the same time on multiple occasions leading up to her alleged murder.
For e.g. the accused shown to have witnessed more of Samantha's runs in the forest, and be shown to be stalking her Or, can they both be placed in another location where they might have had some sort of disagreement or altercation?

If Samantha's body was deliberately moved and hidden, then it seems likely her phone would have been turned off or destroyed at Mt Clear.
But It did not keep pinging, or it would have revealed the path taken by the accused with her body, at least initially.
The accused though is aware enough of the situation to do this, yet he allowed one final ping from another location hours later.

If he is found guilty of murder without a body

It means the other evidence which we aren't aware of
would need to be absolutely irrefutable and compelling.
Otherwise, the defence could immediately appeal to have the decision set aside with grounds that no reasonable person could convict beyond reasonable doubt.
 
Here we are, waiting, hopefully a trial ?

I wouldn't be getting hung up on the "volume" of evidence.
Convictions are based on the quality of evidence, not quantity.

Hours and hours of CCTV footage from multiple cameras, pages and pages of phone pings do not prove anything unless they can be indisputably linked to the prosecution's theory or account of events.

But on the other hand, a single frame captured or a couple of isolated phone pings may on their own be enough to prove guilt.

But the defence needs to show it is possible that someone else could have been there. They need to also prove beyond reasonable doubt that nobody else was there. How can they do they prove that ? Just because no other phone pinged? Maybe the other person didn't carry a phone.
It is reasonable to posit that another person was also there at around the same time who has not been identified, and the accused was just a passer-by with his phone on.

We don't know if the circumstantial evidence of phone pings / GPS data etc..will be enough to prove a connection between the two parties, enough to suggest a motive?
Yes, if the data proved that Samantha and the accused were in the same place at the same time on multiple occasions leading up to her alleged murder.
For e.g. the accused shown to have witnessed more of Samantha's runs in the forest, and be shown to be stalking her Or, can they both be placed in another location where they might have had some sort of disagreement or altercation?

If Samantha's body was deliberately moved and hidden, then it seems likely her phone would have been turned off or destroyed at Mt Clear.
But It did not keep pinging, or it would have revealed the path taken by the accused with her body, at least initially.
The accused though is aware enough of the situation to do this, yet he allowed one final ping from another location hours later.

If he is found guilty of murder without a body

It means the other evidence which we aren't aware of
would need to be absolutely irrefutable and compelling.
Otherwise, the defence could immediately appeal to have the decision set aside with grounds that no reasonable person could convict beyond reasonable doubt.
MOO,
Since Samantha's phone was found after the accused was charged with murder, I'd expect they're not relying on the physical phone for evidence of a murder taking place.
 
MOO,
Since Samantha's phone was found after the accused was charged with murder, I'd expect they're not relying on the physical phone for evidence of a murder taking place.

By police getting physical possession of the accused's phone. They can then clone the entire phone, giving access to all accounts (Facebook, WhatsApp Messages, etc).
Even the most basic of baddies will delete all their history from their phones before handing them over, but the police will get access to their accounts and usually find automatically generated cloud-based backups of deleted WhatsApp, Facebook, ... messages etc.

Police can also download its detailed geolocation history while it has been turned on and location services enabled.
Police have been able to place people's phones on full intercept for many years.

Once enabled, they can see all traffic to and from the phone, including SMS texts, and can listen in to conversations.
But they need a warrant / court order for this.
 
It is entirely possible that the police accessed his phone records before they arrested him. It does not take an arrest to access someone's phone records... VICPOL might well have checked everyone's phone records in Mr Clear, Scotsburn, Bunyinyong, on the grounds that it was most likely a local, and they were right.. it was a local. No surprises there. Vicpol would have got a court injunction to do that, and it would have been granted, particulary, if VICPOL narrowed their sifting exercise down to male owners of cell phones between a certain age,, this kind of thing.....


This could well explain VICPOL's bold claims, that Mrs Murphy was murdered at a particular time at a particular place by a particular person..
 

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