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well then, it's very simple..... DON'T START!!!
What the hell does a person expect is going to happen if they shoot up heroin or try meth in the first place??
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well then, it's very simple..... DON'T START!!!
What the hell does a person expect is going to happen if they shoot up heroin or try meth in the first place??
Nice idea but I have a better one--Bring them all in at once and then tell them WE WERE JUST KIDDING--Then take all of them and lock them all up in separate cells and let them go thru their own cold turkey, convulsing and throwing up until they are clean of any and all drugs--lol--anyway,lets face facts: Drug Addicts who "shoot up" are the lowest form of scum around---They are all lowlifes and they help spread the deadly disease AIDS, and AIDS killed 16,000 people last year and over 500,000 people have died horrible deaths from it in the last 25 years in the US alone--no sympathy for needle drug addicts, people who don't care about themselves or anybody else and are a danger to society
Is it wrong for me to say,, "YES.. please help them kill themselves faster...?"
I guess I am the last person on earth to see drug addiction as a CONSCIOUS CHOICE.. and not a 'disease' that people are helpless unwitting victims of. The only time I feel sympathy is when person has a chronic pain or injury that they can no longer bear and start taking pain pills for, and become addicted.. or, if their parents were drug addicts and it is inherited. Otherwise.... you're dumb enough to play with fire,, that's your problem, NOT mine. Sorry,,, but the dangers of drugs are very well known,, unless you grew up in a closet.
We see constant examples of addicts, who choose drugs, over the welfare of their children, so that should tell us something about how strong addictions are.Good points, reb. Possibly only a drug addict can understand what it's like to use against your will.
I think the idea is to keep addicts alive long enough that they can be helped.
We see constant examples of addicts, who choose drugs, over the welfare of their children, so that should tell us something about how strong addictions are.
As for me, and my addiction, quitting smoking was easy. I should know, I quit many, many, times, before I finally succeeded. That was after quitting for a year, smoking for three months, quitting for six months, smoking for three months, quitting for nine months, and smoking for three months; this went on for 15 years, until I finally quit for good. It was a piece of cake....lol
Yes, MTx, I agree... it's not just lowlifes.. and I certainly agree that many young people have very little guidance. However.. basic common sense tells us that drugs are bad and addictive. Everyone knows this. Let's face it.. the #1 reason people experiment with drugs, and smoking too (knowing full well of the dangers) is because they want to be rebellious, cool, a bad-*advertiser censored*,, peer pressure,, because everyone's doing it. Sorry,, if they end up addicts.. then obviously,, I hope they get it together and help themselves... but this whole attitude that so many addicts have of 'dammit, why isn't anyone helping me??' is annoying.. you got there yourself sweetheart. You're not a helpless victim of some random disease.
I agree with you Nova and I hope they can pull it off.
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mama
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Perhaps we need to look at it from another perspective.
We have rows and rows of bars in our cities, especially our college towns. We also have alcoholics frequenting the bars daily. Let's say your 17yo child was one of the alcoholics living on campus and one of those going to the bar daily. (Yes, it would make it illegal to serve your child, but we know they still access it.) If there was a bar set up with medical intervention onsite to address the problem of people dying from alcohol poisoning, aspirating on their own vomit, or other known side effects which cause death by alcohol...would you support your child going to such a bar? Would you rather your child lie in a dorm room or on a street corner and run the risk of dying because of his/her addiction?
I have to go with Marthatex on this one. I agree it is progressive and though very controversial...it is addressing the problem where the problem lies.
If you read it again...I was speaking of a 17 year old who is drinking illegally. Illegal is illegal. Yes, the punishments getting caught are different...but it doesn't make either one more legal...does it?! Can a person be more dead than another?!We're talking about legal drugs versus illegal drugs, so I don't see how they can possibly be compared. Moreover, its far easier to die from an overdose of something you are shooting into your veins than it is to die from alcohol poisoning.
If you read it again...I was speaking of a 17 year old who is drinking illegally. Illegal is illegal. Yes, the punishments getting caught are different...but it doesn't make either one more legal...does it?! Can a person be more dead than another?!
....I assume this treatment is going to "gradually take them off" the heroin - you can't go off it cold turkey on your own......
I was speaking of the legalities of the drug.
Yes, but some drugs are legal during certain situations (age or medical care) and illegal during others.
Marthatex,
I honestly don't think these types of centers that SF is discussing are designed to gradually take an addict off heroin or meth or whatever they are injecting. They are public health facilities where the addicts would bring there own drugs and shoot up under medical supervision in an effort to prevent accidental ODs, which are rampant in SF.
The clinic workers would not be responsible for adjusting or downsizing the addict's dose. I am sure these centers would provide public information to any addict wishing to get clean, but I doubt they would be involved past that. I am saying this based of what I have read about these centers in other countries. They are NOT treatment places or even pre-treatment places. That's not where the focus lies.