SC SC - Annette Deanne Sagers, 11, Mount Holly, 4 Oct 1988

[Mel 1303]

Lost son, it sounds as though you and your brother have much to be proud of, having built happy and successful lives following so much adversity. Good luck to you and your brother.

 

[Mel 1303]

Do we know who Annette's biological father is? I am not liking the mother returning and taking her daughter story. There were two little boys still at home. If Korrina was still alive and well a year after her disappearance, and felt she was then in a position to reclaim her children, why only one? Why not stick around that day and get the other two? The husband/father was clearly not much of a parent, judging by Lost sons life story. I have taught a number of children with extreme trauma in their lives. The one thing they tend to have in common is a fiercely protective attitude toward their siblings. Only guessing, but I bet Annette loved those two little boys more than anything after her mother disappeared. I dont believe she would not be trying to find them if she could. I cant see the mother removing the big sister, the protector of her babies, and leaving those little boys with a destructive dad. I really hope this family finds out what happened.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I am so happy to see this case gaining interest recently, and to have some family members posting here!

This case is so puzzling.

Does anyone know if the police suspected Steve (dad/husband) in 1987 and 1988 but lacked evidence... or was he cleared?

Yes. The family can come together, embrace their lineage and heal. I think Lost Son sounds like he has grown up to be a very fine man despite his very difficult childhood. If his mother did leave the boys behind, it must have been out of great fear or durress. I'm sure she loved them dearly. Here's sending this family buckets of love and roses. Stick together and solve this case! God Bless.

 

[Dixie811]

If Annette went with her mom, the dog probably went with them. Do we really see Korrina killing her daughter's dog? If they did kill it to silence it, would there really have been time to hide the carcass? And if they were just going to leave it, there wouldn't really be a reason to kill it in the first place until Annette got in the car and closed the door on it, in which case Mom and daughter would have been on their way anyway.

Same thing for any possible bad guys. Grab the girl and the dog makes more sense rather than grab the girl, kill the dog, hide the carcass, etc.

If bad people or Korrina grabbed the dog and killed it later to take care of the nuisance, than it's moot.

I feel as though I must have missed something that you read, so feel free to fill me in. I didn't see anywhere about the fate of the dog-- I don't think we know for a fact that the dog was missing as well. Unless I missed something, it may very well be that the dog simply returned home or continued to hang around the bus stop area. The possibilities of what happened to the dog when Annette disappeared would be as follows:
1. Dog was killed
2. Dog was taken also
3. Dog was left behind, and likely returned home or was found

I think it is most likely that the dog was left behind. If he was taken, then to me that would support the idea of Korrina being the one to take Annette. I don't see the point of anyone killing the dog-- whether it was Korrina or someone else who took Annette. Killing the dog to silence it is an idea... but it would be faster to just leave with Annette. Killing a noisy dog would waste precious time. Some dogs do act protective/aggressive, but this dog was probably used to Annette being picked up/"leaving" from the bus stop location almost daily. Even in the case of a forced abduction, not every dog is going to launch an attack.

It is likely, IMO, that Annette was taken so quickly that the dog's presence was irrelevant. The only reason I am curious to know more about the dog's fate is because if in fact the dog was taken it seems to point to Korrina. I do believe that it is just as likely Korrina would take her daughter and leave the dog.

All JMO.

 

[alllads]

Just brainstorming, but if Korrina really did come back and picked up only Annette, I think the theory that she was the easiest child to come pick up might be valid, since Annette would have had a regular schedule and been out of the house far more than her brothers.

Another thought is if for whatever reason Korrina could only care or take one child, she might also have taken only Annette from it looks like a mistaken belief that her husband would take better care of his two biological sons than of a step-daughter who no longer had any tie to him.

When I first read about this case a few years ago, and now too, I am just always shocked that this did not get more media attention because it's truly weird - and that there are no photos or vital statistics for Korrina - it appears she's not individually in any missing person records. Which I think is particularly bad since it can't be proven that Korrina really left entirely of her own free will. If Korrina was in fact unfortunately deceased, identifying remains or knowing SOMETHING would shed some light on what could have happened to Annette.

 

[bessie]

Does anyone know if Korinne played pool?

 

[Lost_Son]

Do we know who Annette's biological father is? I am not liking the mother returning and taking her daughter story. There were two little boys still at home. If Korrina was still alive and well a year after her disappearance, and felt she was then in a position to reclaim her children, why only one? Why not stick around that day and get the other two? The husband/father was clearly not much of a parent, judging by Lost sons life story. I have taught a number of children with extreme trauma in their lives. The one thing they tend to have in common is a fiercely protective attitude toward their siblings. Only guessing, but I bet Annette loved those two little boys more than anything after her mother disappeared. I dont believe she would not be trying to find them if she could. I cant see the mother removing the big sister, the protector of her babies, and leaving those little boys with a destructive dad. I really hope this family finds out what happened.

I have not heard anything from anyone in the family about Annette's biological father, and I have spoke to both sides.

To the others:
I am sure if my mother took Annette, she also took the dog. I have been told by family that Korrina was a nice girl and beautiful woman. I do not think that she would have it in her to take the life of her daughter's dog. I do not remember anything about those events during that time because I was 3 and 4. I slightly remember living on a plantation, living with Steve's parents in Florida, definitely remember living in the projects in Tampa.

Also, Steve is not smart enough to pull off what you guys have been speculating. Yes, he is suspected in actions related to their disappearances, but he is a pothead and a crack addict.

 

[Lost_Son]

Does anyone know if Korinne played pool?

Why do you ask? I can find out from family.

 

[alllads]

Hi Lost Son, do you know if Korrina was ever reported missing in her own right? If we was ever reported missing it might be a valuable way of having her vital details and photo in one place.

 

[Fukiyama]

I feel as though I must have missed something that you read, so feel free to fill me in. I didn't see anywhere about the fate of the dog-- I don't think we know for a fact that the dog was missing as well. Unless I missed something, it may very well be that the dog simply returned home or continued to hang around the bus stop area. The possibilities of what happened to the dog when Annette disappeared would be as follows:
1. Dog was killed
2. Dog was taken also
3. Dog was left behind, and likely returned home or was found

I think it is most likely that the dog was left behind. If he was taken, then to me that would support the idea of Korrina being the one to take Annette. I don't see the point of anyone killing the dog-- whether it was Korrina or someone else who took Annette. Killing the dog to silence it is an idea... but it would be faster to just leave with Annette. Killing a noisy dog would waste precious time. Some dogs do act protective/aggressive, but this dog was probably used to Annette being picked up/"leaving" from the bus stop location almost daily. Even in the case of a forced abduction, not every dog is going to launch an attack.

It is likely, IMO, that Annette was taken so quickly that the dog's presence was irrelevant. The only reason I am curious to know more about the dog's fate is because if in fact the dog was taken it seems to point to Korrina. I do believe that it is just as likely Korrina would take her daughter and leave the dog.

All JMO.

Sorry I wasn't clear. I know we don't know for sure what happened to the dog. Judging by Lost Son's reply, I am assuming we won't ever know for sure.

 

[alwayssearching]

I can only guess at to whether she played pool or not but I would say "yes" knowing that her husband played pool avidely. Would like to know why the question was asked.

 

[Lost_Son]

Hi Lost Son, do you know if Korrina was ever reported missing in her own right? If we was ever reported missing it might be a valuable way of having her vital details and photo in one place.

I am not sure if she has been officially classified as a missing person. I am working on getting an older picture up on the site so it can be more helpful. I have some younger pictures of her, but I am sure older ones would help.

 

[Lost_Son]

Tommy, I found this woman some time back. Her name is Korrina and I believe she's the same age and is also from Iowa. Small world. It's a shame you where so young back then and can't tell if she looks like Annette's mom Korrina. I don't believe there's ever been pics posted of Korrina either.

I have confirmed from Steve's brother and Korrina's brother that this is not her. Thanks for the post and look forward for more.

 

[bessie]

I can only guess at to whether she played pool or not but I would say "yes" knowing that her husband played pool avidely. Would like to know why the question was asked.

It was a hunch with regard to the person on FB. But now I see Lost Son says the family has looked into it, and the woman is not Korinna. I'm so sorry.

 

[Roselvr]

I have confirmed from Steve's brother and Korrina's brother that this is not her. Thanks for the post and look forward for more.

Shame; I was hopeful it may be her. She looks like Annette.
So sorry for what your family is going through. Any idea why there are no missing pages for Korrina? Was a missing persons report ever filed? Your best bet would be to call Berkeley County Sheriff's Office Missing Persons Unit 843-719-4424
Annette's NCIC Number: M-915707888
If there is no missing persons report; see if you can file one. All of Annette's pages refer to your mother being missing; so I find it strange your mom doesn't have a report since it's all worded that she was abducted.

Also; there is no DNA for Annette on NamUs; call to see if you're able to submit a sample. Case manager- Padma Knight 1-800-843-5678 or the regional admin Brenda Galarza namus@ncmec.org 703-837-6276

Porchlight has an article titled Mom, daughter missing since 80s still a mystery from 2002 by The Post and Courier
*Note also quoted in post #21

Post & Courier article

MONCKS CORNER—Twelve-year-old Annette Deanne Sagers and her dog left the caretaker's cabin at Mount Holly Plantation and walked to a wooden shelter along U.S. Highway 52 where she awaited a school bus.

She never boarded the bus.

The only real clue she left was a note, found on Oct. 4, 1988. It was scrawled in pencil on a sheet of notebook paper found near the narrow shelter and said only: "Dad, momma came back. Give the boys a hug."

The sixth-grader's message baffled the detectives who, nearly one year earlier, had launched a weeklong search of the 6,000-acre plantation for Annette's mother, Korrina Lynne Sagers Malinoski, who disappeared from the same spot Nov. 21, 1987.

The note was the last communication from Annette, who, if she is alive, would have celebrated her 25th birthday March 16. To this day, police say the mother-daughter disappearance is a mystery.

"We just don't know if they were killed, or whether the mother came back for her daughter," says Chief L. Randy Herod of the Berkeley County Sheriff's Office.

The mystery began five days before Thanksgiving 1987, when Malinoski didn't show up for work at a Summerville convenience store. The store manager began looking for his 26-year-old employee of six months and discovered her car parked and locked near the plantation's gated entrance.

Malinoski's husband, Steven Malinoski, told Berkeley County deputies his wife left the cabin between 11 and 11:30 the night before, saying she was going for a drive. Police called investigators from the State Law Enforcement Division, search and rescue crews, and combed the grounds on foot and by air.

...Herod says the letters were big, and written in haste. A handwriting analysis later concluded that Annette had penned the letter. Whether someone forced her hand remains a mystery.

"She could've been under duress, or, it's possible, her mother was alive and came back to get her," Herod says.

...Photographs of the mother and daughter are posted in police agencies nationwide; their names are included among thousands of missing persons.

I've been helping on an Alaska case Tracie Vicent. Abusive boyfriend who was the father of 4 of her 5 children. Similar story; they had an argument; Tracie walked out; never to be seen again. Pretty sure the 4 children were put in foster care due to their father being put in jail. Not sure what he was in jail for. The 5th child who was the oldest was with her grand mother in Florida.

It's suspected the boyfriend killed her. There is no body; so they keep some hope that Tracie managed to flee; but they do not understand why she did not go back for her children; one thought I have now is she may have but they were already in foster care. I will have to ask her daughter that.

 

[Kimster]

I am not sure if she has been officially classified as a missing person. I am working on getting an older picture up on the site so it can be more helpful. I have some younger pictures of her, but I am sure older ones would help.

I was also given the pictures of her when she was young and have looked into age progression possibilities. I'm hearing that it's difficult to do that when the person went missing as an adult.

 

[Jerri Blank]

so i am confused - there is or is not a MP report for Korrina? It would be really helpful to at the very least have her basic description, height/weight/eye color... that info must be in the original police report from November 1987 right? even without a MP report, they did a whole search of the property looking for her. there must have been a description circulating to know what to look for, right??

Lost_Son, thank you so much for your willingness to share such personal things. I really believe that having an insider here can be the key to finding your sister and mother!

OT, my fiance and i have had many conversations about what our future family will look like and we are both certain we want to adopt older kids from the foster care system in addition to having biological kids. We have only shared our plans with a couple close friends or family and gotten very little support. they all wanted to know why we would bother. your story is the perfect example of why we would "bother" ... so many kids in the system have potential to do such great things with the right support!

 

[Roselvr]

Yes, she may have come back for her daughter. James and I are her biological sons. She loved just as equal as her own daughter. I have heard this from my aunt and uncles and have pictures to prove it.

As I stated before, Korrina is our mother. Annette is her daughter from a previous marriage. James and I were the children of Steve and Korrina. We have bitrh certificates to prove it and pictures of us kids with mother (all happy). There is a picture I have that also shows Annette playing with me when I was between 1 and 2.

I'm so sorry that with such lack of information on your mom; that you may have been made to feel like you were not loved children of your moms. Of course your mom loved you & your brother as much as she loved Annette. If she did go to the bus stop that day to get Annette; I don't doubt she would have been back for both of you had you been there; or accessible to her. Since you were both so little; it was not as easy for her to grab you.

When you call the police about your mom; make sure they know they have the only photos of her as per the post quoted below. One addition would be do any of her family remember if she had a social security card? If so; do they know the number or where it was issued & at what age? It may be helpful for them to see if the social has been used since she disappeared Nov. 21, 1987

I am a distant relative of Korrina and Annette's. I am part of her Iowa family. My grandmother helped raise Korrina for awhile after her father killed her mother. My grandmother was Korrina's mothers' first cousin. My grandmother died not knowing what happened to them. I would love to find out what happened to them. I am only a year older than Annette. I am no crime solver and would love all of your help in this. I would love to talk to her brothers any time. My mother is in contact with Korrina's brother Lee (Leon Sagers). I am sorry I have been off for a long time.
To Tommy, I do have a few pictures of your mother when she was young. I can't find any of her after the age of maybe 14 and that picture is blurry. Lee has stated that he gave all of his to the police department of her and they won't give them back until the case is closed.
Thank you
Heather.

 

[Dixie811]

Ok, something that caught my eye...

I am not clear on exactly how many years (I think at least 5?) Steve had been a father-figure in Annette's life, but I noticed that on the note left at the bus stop she wrote "Dad, momma came back"...

If Annette called Steve Dad, then there is nothing significant about it. I know some children who do not have contact with their bio dad will call a step-dad "Dad" if they have been in the child's life from a young age.

However, if Annette usually called Steve by his name or referred to Steve as her "step-dad" (as I do mine), then I think addressing the note to "Dad" suggests that the person who took her forced her to write that note and dictated what she should write. This would suggest it was someone who wasn't aware Steve was not Annette's bio dad, or wrongly assumed that she called him "Dad".

Just thinking out loud. Thanks to all who are dedicating time and energy to breathing new life into this case, and a big thanks to Lost Son for collaborating with us! :rocker:

 

[Roselvr]

so i am confused - there is or is not a MP report for Korrina? It would be really helpful to at the very least have her basic description, height/weight/eye color... that info must be in the original police report from November 1987 right? even without a MP report, they did a whole search of the property looking for her. there must have been a description circulating to know what to look for, right??

I could not find anything about her