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I'm curious about what you say. Most kids are a little bit rebellious. But would you have carried on a disrespectful conversation with your teacher for awhile, bluntly refusing his request (to put the phone away or surrender the phone, I don't know what it was). And then go on to refuse the request of the VP, and then refuse the requests of a police officer in uniform? I really think very few kids would do that.

I just read "Couldn't keep it to ourselves", a book written by women in prison, and compiled by Wally Lamb. Many of these women were like this. They would refuse to comply with legitimate authority when everyone else would, and one would refuse even to slightly accommodate her father, who would beat her bloody regularly. For minor things. He'd tell her to pick up that plate, or whatever, and she'd flatly refuse and she'd end up bruised and bloody.

I don't get that mentality. I really don't. Her father was a nut, and extremely abusive, but what's wrong with her that she won't do a simple thing, like her siblings all did, to avoid getting beaten? She ended up in prison, and her siblings didn't. She was missing something, somewhere that would give her enough survival instinct to get to get out of physical injury.

And that's where I see this girl. I don't think she's one of those kids whose "high spiritedness" gets them in a little trouble here and there. I think she's missing a basic instinct to avoid punishment if possible.

Yes I could very easily have been this girl in my youth. Truth be told I'm still a bit on the stubborn side. I'm not sure if I could have taken it to the level of being tossed about by LE as in my case it never went that far.
I think it really just boils down (as I said) to being very stubborn.
I can tell you I have never been imprisoned or spent any time in jail,but I thought very little about speaking my mind to an authority figure IF I felt they were in the wrong. IMO
 
To me this is the heart of the matter. The idea that it is acceptable and even praiseworthy to respond to nonviolent disobedience, defiance, disruption--whatever one wants to call it--with violent force is very disturbing to me.

ETA: I'm not sure I agree that the correct response was to physically remove her from the room, but if that was the course of action chosen, it's clear to me from the video that if Officer Fields was strong enough to flip her over in the desk, he was strong enough to simply drag her, desk and all, out into the hallway. Especially if the teacher and administrator had assisted.


You haven't followed the bouncing ball, then. A very small minority posting here believe the force used was justified. Most absolutely don't.

A slightly larger but very vocal minority insist the girl did little to nothing wrong.

The great majority of posters believe the girl was wrong AND the cop was wrong, but gave up trying to discuss the difference a long time ago.
 
Yes I could very easily have been this girl in my youth. Truth be told I'm still a bit on the stubborn side. I'm not sure if I could have taken it to the level of being tossed about by LE as in my case it never went that far.
I think it really just boils down (as I said) to being very stubborn.
I can tell you I have never been imprisoned or spent any time in jail,but I thought very little about speaking my mind to an authority figure IF I felt they were in the wrong. IMO


Neither have I hesitated to speak my mind to authority, ever, CONSTRUCTIVELY. But the teacher was NOT in the wrong in actuality, and please tell me what principle exactly was in play that was worth pushing authority to the outermost limit?
 
Yes I could very easily have been this girl in my youth. Truth be told I'm still a bit on the stubborn side. I'm not sure if I could have taken it to the level of being tossed about by LE as in my case it never went that far.
I think it really just boils down (as I said) to being very stubborn.
I can tell you I have never been imprisoned or spent any time in jail,but I thought very little about speaking my mind to an authority figure IF I felt they were in the wrong. IMO

See, that's what I'm saying, Kimlynn. I don't think stubbornness, or rebellion, or independent thinking is a fault. I think it's actually a positive characteristic that shows a strong leadership personality. Speaking your mind to authority is a characteristic of strength and youthful energy.

"I'm not sure I would have taken it to the level of being tossed about by LE" is key. That's key. A lot of kids push limits, but they stop pushing when they're clearly losing and they're being ordered out of their chairs by uniformed law enforcement. That's the thing. It's the degree to which she kept pushing.

I know I keep bringing up being in misdemeanor juvenile court, sorry, I've been there several times. Once there was this girl who would NOT SHUT UP. Cases were called before the juvy judge randomly, and you couldn't predict if your name was next. She wanted to get out of there and would audibly gasp and moan when it wasn't her name. She kept saying loudly WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET OUT OF HERE, and I'M NOT STAYING MUCH LONGER. A baliff told her to be quiet, but she kept on. And on. The mother kept shusshing her. Finally they declared her "incorrigible" which released her mother from the burden of being fined for her future crimes.

Why could she not shut up? Why were there 50 or so other youth who had committed petty crimes who were well capable of sitting quietly, saying "yes your honor", and shutting up?

I think that's the same thing with this girl. Other kids get how to curtail their behaviors in the presence of obvious authority, and this girl in the school, and that girl in the courtroom didn't have that skill.

Sorry to be so wordy.
 
One of the more baseless and insulting bits of amateur psychology that I've read here.

Right up there with "What's wrong with her that she won't do a simple thing, like her siblings all did, to avoid getting beaten?"
 
Right up there with "What's wrong with her that she won't do a simple thing, like her siblings all did, to avoid getting beaten?"

That's a legitimate question. I'm sorry you think it's laughable. Facing a predictable beating, why wouldn't she do what almost anyone else would do? The author herself couldn't really explain why.
 
C'mon people. She didn't rob a bank or murder anyone. She questioned an order and balked. So much pomposity.
She isn't doomed to have a rough road ahead or to fail.
If that were true I wouldn't be here,lol
I was a rebel at a young age and I turned out just fine...I think
IMO

^bbm Not an order. Multiple orders (requests? instructions? what-ev) by teacher, admn'r, and LEO/SRO.

Did not just question it. Defied it, then defied again, refused to comply multiple times to 3 ppl in auth. JM2cts.

FWIW: agreeing, her actions were not equivalent of robbing bank or murdering someone.
 
See, that's what I'm saying, Kimlynn. I don't think stubbornness, or rebellion, or independent thinking is a fault. I think it's actually a positive characteristic that shows a strong leadership personality. Speaking your mind to authority is a characteristic of strength and youthful energy.

"I'm not sure I would have taken it to the level of being tossed about by LE" is key. That's key. A lot of kids push limits, but they stop pushing when they're clearly losing and they're being ordered out of their chairs by uniformed law enforcement. That's the thing. It's the degree to which she kept pushing.

I know I keep bringing up being in misdemeanor juvenile court, sorry, I've been there several times. Once there was this girl who would NOT SHUT UP. Cases were called before the juvy judge randomly, and you couldn't predict if your name was next. She wanted to get out of there and would audibly gasp and moan when it wasn't her name. She kept saying loudly WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET OUT OF HERE, and I'M NOT STAYING MUCH LONGER. A baliff told her to be quiet, but she kept on. And on. The mother kept shusshing her. Finally they declared her "incorrigible" which released her mother from the burden of being fined for her future crimes.

Why could she not shut up? Why were there 50 or so other youth who had committed petty crimes who were well capable of sitting quietly, saying "yes your honor", and shutting up?

I think that's the same thing with this girl. Other kids get how to curtail their behaviors in the presence of obvious authority, and this girl in the school, and that girl in the courtroom didn't have that skill.

Sorry to be so wordy.

It could be that it's as simple as she had a bad day and was tired of what she viewed as taking it. Maybe it was just one of those days.
I think she really felt put upon and that she was being wronged by the teacher.And maybe she was...we really don't know.
IMO
 
Neither have I, ever. But the teacher was NOT in the wrong in actuality, and please tell me what principle exactly was in play that was worth pushing authority to the outermost limit?

I can't speak for her motives and we don't have the whole picture regarding the teacher. IMO
 
It could be that it's as simple as she had a bad day and was tired of what she viewed as taking it. Maybe it was just one of those days.
I think she really felt put upon and that she was being wronged by the teacher.And maybe she was...we really don't know.
IMO

I wonder if she'll ever come forward and tell her story.
 
I can't speak for her motives and we don't have the whole picture regarding the teacher. IMO


We don't have the whole picture regarding any of the people involved... not the teacher, or the VP, or the cop, or the girl, or the other kids in the class.

Hasn't stopped anyone from making conclusions about every single person involved and condemning all of them (and dissenting posters here) but one.
 
It could be that it's as simple as she had a bad day and was tired of what she viewed as taking it. Maybe it was just one of those days.
I think she really felt put upon and that she was being wronged by the teacher.And maybe she was...we really don't know.
IMO

Pls help me correctly interpret.
1. I think she really felt put upon and [she felt] that she was being wronged by the teacher.And maybe she was...we really don't know.
OR
2. I think she really felt put upon and [I think] she was being wronged by the teacher.And maybe she was...we really don't know.

1 or 2 or something else?

Thx in adv.
 
Pls help me correctly interpret.
1. I think she really felt put upon and [she felt] that she was being wronged by the teacher.And maybe she was...we really don't know.
OR
2. I think she really felt put upon and [I think] she was being wronged by the teacher.And maybe she was...we really don't know.

1 or 2 or something else?

Thx in adv.

Is this a test? I pick number 1
I do think the teacher could have handled the situation better.
 
Hasn't stopped anyone from making conclusions about every single person involved and condemning all of them (and dissenting posters here) but one.

Are you suggesting that one person has not been the subject of condemnation from anyone? If so, I'm guessing you mean the student, and I completely disagree.
 
It could be that it's as simple as she had a bad day and was tired of what she viewed as taking it. Maybe it was just one of those days.
I think she really felt put upon and that she was being wronged by the teacher.And maybe she was...we really don't know.
IMO

How was she being wronged by the teacher. They were supposed to be doing their math assignments on their computer tablets, but she was looking at her phone. The consequence for that is having your phone taken until class is over. The teacher did not 'wrong' her.
 
Oh my goodness, the kids at my son's school love their SRO! Particularly the girls...if he catches the boys being sexist or disrespectful he gives them an earful. And he does not tolerate any racial slurs or derogatory nicknames being thrown around either, even in jest, as the kids tend to do nowadays.

ETA- I have never heard of him taking anyone down but he probably has to break up at least one fight per week. Unfortunately he was not there the day one of our administrators got tazed by a student while trying to break up a fight! Have to wonder if the student would have pulled the taser on the SRO!
My children are out of school now, but they have always liked their resource officers and respected them.
Their high school resource officer was awesome. He had a way about him that he could joke around with the students, run track with them and be friendly with them, but step over the line and he had no problem handling a situation.


I support resource officers in school.
 
IMO her motives were something along the lines of: Typical American teenager.

Thanks for that as I was starting to feel a little abnormal since I could identify a bit from my youth experiences.
 
How was she being wronged by the teacher. They were supposed to be doing their math assignments on their computer tablets, but she was looking at her phone. The consequence for that is having your phone taken until class is over. The teacher did not 'wrong' her.

If you read the post that you wrote, it specifically said that she 'felt' she was being wronged by the teacher. That doesn't mean that she was.

Either way, we have no idea of what happened in the classroom before the incident. So it doesn't mean that she was not wronged by the teacher, either. We just don't know.
 
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