SC - Columbia - Sheriff Slams Female Student to Floor In Class

[magnolia]

That's awesome, but doesn't undo what he did, nor does it get him his job back.

BBM- One never knows what might happen in the future.

 

[kimlynn]

I understand the point. I just don't agree with it. What seems to get missed here is that a classroom is a community, but not everyone is equal in it. The teacher is in charge and legally responsible for every kid in the classroom. The teacher also has professional obligations to teach and responsibilities to the school as an employee.

Students have the right to be taught in a safe environment, AND they have the responsibility to be abide by school rules. Public schools are allowed to enforce those rules, up to and including expulsion. Parents and kids sign the equivalent of contracts as to those basics and are provided the list of rules in the beginning of every school year.

The rules are not up for negotiation. Students don't have the right to violate them. Teachers are responsible for enforcing them.

There was nothing typical about that girl's defiance. Sorry, but absolutely nothing typical at all, and there was no reason for the teacher to tiptoe around it.

No reason to tiptoe,but why make it worse? He was the adult in the situation and no one is suggesting that she be allowed to violate school rules,but at some point he had to know this wasn't going well and perhaps the better response would be to say I'll see you after class and move on with his teaching.
This lets everyone know that phone usage won't be tolerated.
I think everyone deserves respect and a persons station or age should have little to do with basic human decency.IMO

 

[Elley Mae]

Please put your phone away so we can study now.
or
I need to speak with you after class.
or
Please step outside the class for a moment.

Was it not noted/reported that three (3) persons asked her to put it away/stop/ cease before officer friendly entered the room. Come on. jmo How many warnings before it is ok to Take Down? Come on.

 

[Hope4More]

No reason to tiptoe,but why make it worse? He was the adult in the situation and no one is suggesting that she be allowed to violate school rules,but at some point he had to know this wasn't going well and perhaps the better response would be to say I'll see you after class and move on with his teaching.
This lets everyone know that phone usage won't be tolerated.
I think everyone deserves respect and a persons station or age should have little to do with basic human decency.IMO

I entirely agree with the suggestion that the teacher should have said I'll deal with this later after she gave the girl a written heads up that she was already facing consequences.

There was nothing to be gained by pushing it further at thst moment , because the girl's response was atypical and should have been red flag enough.

As I keep saying, IMO the core problem is in that school system as a whole, that unruly student behavior has been criminalized and that cops are on site to handle situations they have no business being involved in.

 

[kimlynn]

Was it not noted/reported that three (3) persons asked her to put it away/stop/ cease before officer friendly entered the room. Come on. jmo How many warnings before it is ok to Take Down? Come on.

And in her mind she wasn't in the wrong for peeking at her phone. Was all of this worth it to the adults to ram home a rule?

 

[DexterMorgan]

So the cop seen all the kids recording this and he decides to display his bravado on a teen girl in class who refused to leave. Now our taxes pay for his salary and that girl's education. And we are not happy with this at all.

She could have simply been suspended at the end of the day. Jmo. But would he flip his daughter that way if she refuses to listen or do the dishes?

How would he have handled his own child in this situation?

Do we think that he would have flipped his daughter in class and drag her out like a deer?

Does anyone think that he would have done this to a family member in class?

I don't think so. But feel free to share your opinions on how he would have reacted to a family member or his girlfriend's child in that chair.

 

[kimlynn]

I entirely agree with the suggestion that the teacher should have said I'll deal with this later after she gave the girl a written heads up that she was already facing consequences.

There was nothing to be gained by pushing it further at thst moment , because the girl's response was atypical and should have been red flag enough.

As I keep saying, IMO the core problem is in that school system as a whole, that unruly student behavior has been criminalized and that cops are on site to handle situations they have no business being involved in.

I agree except for the response being atypical. Many struggle with authority and fight for what they consider right. In her mind (and I'm not saying I agree) she had done nothing wrong. It was important for her not to give in for whatever reason.
IMO

 

[Elley Mae]

And in her mind she wasn't in the wrong for peeking at her phone. Was all of this worth it to the adults to ram home a rule?

I hope it was a lesson to the students (young adults) as to not how to behave to get positive feedback, and I truly hope that her life has lots of bridges to cross and don't forget the rivers & mountains, Oh those damn Mountains, they are beaches at times. jmo

 

[Nova]

bbm I am not sure what is meant by this but let me say that I am very open minded, you just don' t know, I do not think that being liberal minded or conservative has any thing to do with wrong doing, or maybe it does. Or maybe what I mean is that it seems that liberal minded people seem to look at wrong doing in a "lighter" manner.
Because (I) as a person that is not politically/religiously affiliated to any establishment (me) find her to be repulsive as a human being. jmo idk

Since you ask, I was talking about the way 18-year-olds reacted to classic texts on the theme of individual rights v. social obligations. I, as a child of the 60s and 70s, was accustomed to students seeing Sophocles' ANTIGONE as a heroine in her defense of individualism.

I came to class prepared to defend the king's position, only to find most students in 1993 just shrugged and said, "Antigone should have done what she was told."

Sort of like some of the posts you can find in this thread. LOL.

I don't know that we liberals take wrongdoing in a "lighter manner". I think we just tend to see right and wrong in context and understand that sometimes both sides can be right AND wrong. Many conservatives do so as well, I'm sure.

ETA: Isn't calling a kid "repulsive" for looking at her cell phone a tad extreme, even if we ignore her personal problems? I've argued strenuously that cell phone use in a classroom IS a problem, but I wouldn't call offenders "repulsive".

 

[bluesneakers]

So the cop seen all the kids recording this and he decides to display his bravado on a teen girl in class who refused to leave. Now our taxes pay for his salary and that girl's education. And we are not happy with this at all.

She could have simply been suspended at the end of the day. Jmo. But would he flip his daughter that way if she refuses to listen or do the dishes?

How would he have handled his own child in this situation?

Do we think that he would have flipped his daughter in class and drag her out like a deer?

Does anyone think that he would have done this to a family member in class?

I don't think so. But feel free to share your opinions on how he would have reacted to a family member or his girlfriend's child in that chair.

The stock answer is:

He would have never even been called in because they would never, ever act that way. Only delinquents with entitlement issues and no respect for authority misbehave in class.

JMO.

 

[Hope4More]

I agree except for the response being atypical. Many struggle with authority and fight for what they consider right. In her mind (and I'm not saying I agree) she had done nothing wrong. It was important for her not to give in for whatever reason.
IMO

Trust me, I know all about struggling with authority and fighting for what I think is right. I've been kicked out of a private college for doing just that, have challenged bosses at the risk of being fired to defend others, etc. etc.

I've walked that walk for longer than others here have been alive, I suspect.

And I also came to motherhood way later than most, which maybe gives me a different perspective, but not one that makes me blind to what's typical in schools nowadays, particularly because I spend a great deal of time there as a volunteer.

That girl's pulling out a phone was typical. Her not putting it away wasn't, nor anything else that followed. In my experience, at least.

 

[Elley Mae]

Since you ask, I was talking about the way 18-year-olds reacted to classic texts on the theme of individual rights v. social obligations. I, as a child of the 60s and 70s, was accustomed to students seeing Sophocles' ANTIGONE as a heroine in her defense of individualism.

I came to class prepared to defend the king's position, only to find most students in 1993 just shrugged and said, "Antigone should have done what she was told."

Sort of like some of the posts you can find in this thread. LOL.

I don't know that we liberals take wrongdoing in a "lighter manner". I think we just tend to see right and wrong in context and understand that sometimes both sides can be right AND wrong. Many conservatives do so as well, I'm sure.

ETA: Isn't calling a kid "repulsive" for looking at her cell phone a tad extreme, even if we ignore her personal problems? I've argued strenuously that cell phone use in a classroom IS a problem, but I wouldn't call offenders "repulsive".

And I was not. And thank goodness, it was a play.

 

[kimlynn]

Trust me, I know all about struggling with authority and fighting for what I think is right. I've been kicked out of a private college for doing just that, have challenged bosses at the risk of being fired to defend others, etc. etc.

I've walked that walk for longer than others here have been alive, I suspect.

And I also came to motherhood way later than most, which maybe gives me a different perspective, but not one that makes me blind to what's typical in schools nowadays, particularly because I spend a great deal of time there as a volunteer.

That girl's pulling out a phone was typical. Her not putting it away wasn't, nor anything else that followed. In my experience, at least.

I think it would have been great if we could have seen the interplay between student and teacher. I think there would be many clues as to why this went as far as it did.
IMO

 

[jjenny]

"About 100 students at a South Carolina high school walked out of class briefly Friday to show support for a school resource officer fired after video showed him throwing an uncooperative black female student across the floor, according to local media and Twitter feeds."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...alkout-backs-fired-deputy-sc-school/74874920/

 

[Sonya610]

I think it would have been great if we could have seen the interplay between student and teacher. I think there would be many clues as to why this went as far as it did.
IMO

The fact she ignored the teacher, then ignored the principal, and then ignored an ARMED OFFICER called in to deal with the situation gives a really good hint as to what happened before.

Now people are supposed to believe she is a sweet little angel that just barely "peeked" at her phone? Really???

The video made me LOL. The cop knew exactly how to get her out of that chair and he did it darn fast! No silly attempts to wrestle with her. I was impressed.

 

[kimlynn]

The fact she ignored the teacher, then ignored the principal, and then ignored an ARMED OFFICER called in to deal with the situation gives a really good hint as to what happened before.

Now people are supposed to believe she is a sweet little angel that just barely "peeked" at her phone? Really???

The video made me LOL. The cop knew exactly how to get her out of that chair and he did it darn fast! No silly attempts to wrestle with her. I was impressed.

Do you have any reports that would indicate that she did more than peek at her phone? And the LOL at the video is just sad. IMO

 

[Hope4More]

Since you ask, I was talking about the way 18-year-olds reacted to classic texts on the theme of individual rights v. social obligations. I, as a child of the 60s and 70s, was accustomed to students seeing Sophocles' ANTIGONE as a heroine in her defense of individualism.

I came to class prepared to defend the king's position, only to find most students in 1993 just shrugged and said, "Antigone should have done what she was told."

Sort of like some of the posts you can find in this thread. LOL.

I don't know that we liberals take wrongdoing in a "lighter manner". I think we just tend to see right and wrong in context and understand that sometimes both sides can be right AND wrong. Many conservatives do so as well, I'm sure.

ETA: Isn't calling a kid "repulsive" for looking at her cell phone a tad extreme, even if we ignore her personal problems? I've argued strenuously that cell phone use in a classroom IS a problem, but I wouldn't call offenders "repulsive".

What does being a liberal or a conservative have to do with this? I'm a radical and think that the girl's defiance was completely inappropriate, and that the cop's physical mauling of her was not only inappropriate but actionable.

BTW, I think the more appropriate prism is exactly what you mention---individual rights vs. the rights of others.

 

[EllieBee]

I agree. He tries to come off as fair minded but you can tell he has resentment for having to fire his officer. IMO

I admit, I was all "that sheriff is good people" because of his comments about how sick he felt seeing video of the assault.

I may need some space for backpedaling.

 

[Elley Mae]

What does that have to do with this thread? Teenaged baby hurlers equal a student on her phone in a classroom? Surely you're not serious. And I won't call you Shirley.

bbm. Please don't that was my Mothers' name, Gawd rest her soul, if she had one.

 

[Montjoy]

The video made me LOL. The cop knew exactly how to get her out of that chair and he did it darn fast! No silly attempts to wrestle with her. I was impressed.

Disturbing. This wasn't slapstick. And presuming you thought the speed at which he got her out of her desk was amusing (though considering his size relative to hers and so forth, I don't see how it's impressive), his throwing her after she was already out of the desk has nothing to do with efficacy, and everything to do with violence.