SC - Columbia - Sheriff Slams Female Student to Floor In Class

[sonjay]

I for one am not okay paying cops to beat up students in classrooms. Other options should be investigated, JMO. Never saw this happen once in 12 years of public school.

1. He didn't beat her up.

2. I never once, in 12 years of public school, saw a student defy a teacher. I did see students sent to the principal's office, and they went. There was never a need, not once, in 12 years of public school, for a teacher, then a principal, then a police officer, to ask a student to leave the classroom.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I would have let the student have her merry way while smiling due to the expulsion that I have yet to tell her or her parents about until she is off school grounds.

Btw. I would have made the call while sipping on margaritas and chuckling at the whole revenge is best served cold thing.

Lol

 

[SophieRose]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/27/justice-department-south-carolina-student-dragged

According to a classmate, the student in question had peeked at her cellphone during class. When the teacher tried to take the phone away, the student refused to hand it over, and when a school administrator told her to leave the class, she stayed at her desk, which is when Fields was summoned.

 

[sonjay]

This is a math class. If one teacher in a class full of 35 teens has any hopes of teaching the math lessons, she has to be the Lord of her Fiefdom. There is no other way.

Do you seriously believe that one adult in a room full of 35 teens can possibly negotiate every broken rule in the way you describe? How will she have time to teach the math lesson and go over the homework?

I think the bottom line is that it doesn't matter. The students learn nothing, but they all get an attendance diploma, then they get graduated and go on to their life of .... whatever. Education has become completely irrelevant; as long as they treat the entitled disruptors with sufficient respect, that's all that matters. To heck with the educational needs or desires of the actual students in the class.

 

[bluesneakers]

I would have let the student have her merry way while smiling due to the expulsion that I have yet to tell her or her parents about until she is off school grounds.

Btw. I would have made the call while sipping on margaritas and chuckling at the whole revenge is best served cold thing.

Lol

I like the way you think, Dexter.

 

[vestigare]

I would have let the student have her merry way while smiling due to the expulsion that I have yet to tell her or her parents about until she is off school grounds.

Btw. I would have made the call while sipping on margaritas and chuckling at the whole revenge is best served cold thing.

Lol

I agree.

I dont nderstand the archaic idea you can't use your phone in schools anyway. Verbally answering I understand but texting or whatever. Why did the teacher care? The student will fall if she isn't listening to the lesson but she isn't disrupting the class. Pointing her out is disrupting the class. I think teachers get the feeling they are getting dissed and that is what it is about.

Clearly laptops are allowed so what is the difference? I can text on a laptop.

If this was a test they thought she was cheating on then I doubt the other kids would be allowed laptops either.

So in think this was nothing more than a teacher being petty. Unless she was "talking" on the phone...

 

[DexterMorgan]

1. He didn't beat her up.

2. I never once, in 12 years of public school, saw a student defy a teacher. I did see students sent to the principal's office, and they went. There was never a need, not once, in 12 years of public school, for a teacher, then a principal, then a police officer, to ask a student to leave the classroom.

You should watch Lean On Me with Morgan Freeman or the Principal with Jim Belushi. It's a good depiction on how some schools use to be. And it will show you that her actions didn't warrant the force or strategized technique which was used. Jmo.

But much love and respect to all teachers. They shouldn't have to babysit and raise people kids for them. Jmo.

 

[sonjay]

"During the moments posted online, Fields can be seen standing over the girl, asking her to stand up. When she refuses, the officer wraps a forearm around her neck. "

I guess she failed to respect his ah-thori tie.

Yes. After disrespecting her classmates and refusing to respect the ah-thori tie of the teacher, and refusing to respect the ah-thori tie of the principal, she then proceeded to refuse to respect the ah-thori tie of the police officer. She needed to be removed from the classroom, and she refused to depart under her own power, which she would have been perfectly capable of doing.

 

[al66pine]

You call removing her from class.... They could have had her parents simply come get her from one of her classes. And then expelled her on the way out.... Jmo.

^sbm So IIUC, he sh/have called parents, then let her cont to sit in classroom? Stayed there w her? Or?

From reading MSM & watching vid, Imo, he was trying to remove* her from classroom.

Pls,
To ppl posting - drag/toss (what-ev term you choose) was wrong, how should or could he have removed her? Cuff her to desk, then drag desk out of room? Taser, if he had it?
Was there a way remove her from room w no physical contact? thx in adv.


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* IIHC, he asked her to stand up or get out of desk chair. Seems, imo he could have accomplished that w no violence, if she had complied and seems, imo her non-compliance forced him to use some physical contact or steps to accomplish that.
All, JM2cts.

 

[sonjay]

When she refused, the principal, assistant principals should have cleared the room and the officer or security or whomever he is, should have called for backup LE and go from there. Maybe by then she may have decided to comply. I can't see immediate threat to anyone in this video to have resulted in such a response.

You really think they should evacuate an entire classroom due to the disruptive behavior of one student? Wow.

If they had called for backup, I can just imagine the comments here about the overreaction by LE bringing in so many police officers to deal with one little ol' student.

 

[sonjay]

So every time a student becomes defiant a police officer will be called in to assault and arrest the kid? That will set up a bad precedent, imo.

I think it sets a very good precedent. JMO.

 

[sonjay]

How can you respect someone who does that? Honestly. I can't.

How can you defend the disruptors of education, which is probably the single best chance the other minority students in that class have to do something with their lives? Honestly. I can't.

 

[bwt42]

According to the NYT, in the 2011/2012 school year 24% of SC students were suspended at least once compared to 13% nationally. What's going on. I went to school in Gary In. A tough diverse steel mill town & I don't recall anyone being suspended.

 

[vestigare]

There was a simple avenue.
If the teacher wanted her removed the school admin should have said:
"You are being trespassed from school property, press gather you cell phone, and other personal items and leave the school in the next five minutes or you will have trespassing charges brought against you and the police will arrest you."

This is how you respect someone who before this moment had the right to be in that spot but had done something to warrant then being asked to leave.

Then once she is gone either on her own or from arrest you contact the school board and have her suspended or expelled.

 

[bluesneakers]

I think it sets a very good precedent. JMO.

You really think this is an efficient use of an officer's time and skills? I get you're trying to defend his actions but I don't understand how anyone thinks calling in cops when students misbehave is an effective way to deal with students, or an ideal use of law enforcement. I doubt people become police officers because they want to beat up kids in school. Shouldn't he be out helping someone, writing speeding tickets, or busting criminals?

JMO.

 

[bluesneakers]

According to the NYT, in the 2011/2012 school year 24% of SC students were suspended at least once compared to 13% nationally. What's going on. I went to school in Gary In. A tough diverse steel mill town & I don't recall anyone being suspended.

I'm guessing you went to a private school?

 

[vestigare]

According to the NYT, in the 2011/2012 school year 24% of SC students were suspended at least once compared to 13% nationally. What's going on. I went to school in Gary In. A tough diverse steel mill town & I don't recall anyone being suspended.

What is going on is children are not stupid. They know that they are getting the shaft when it comes to education. I know even a thousand years ago, when I graduated from HS, the teachers who got the least respect were the ones who were the worst teachers.

I understand the frustration children must feel being forced to essentially sit all day, learning nothing, being treated more and more like brainless robots who are inconveniencing teachers and society.

Then this new mentality that teachers can do no wrong and under paid etc...
It is a powder keg.

 

[sonjay]

School policy is not codified law.
Calling the police to violently respond because a student refused to comply with policy is absolutely ridiculous.

Police are meant to uphold laws not random institutions policies.

No, but once a student is asked to leave and refuses, it's trespassing, and that's a crime.

 

[vestigare]

You really think this is an efficient use of an officer's time and skills? I get you're trying to defend his actions but I don't understand how anyone thinks calling in cops when students misbehave is an effective way to deal with students, or an ideal use of law enforcement. I doubt people become police officers because they want to beat up kids in school. Shouldn't he be out helping someone, writing speeding tickets, or busting criminals?

JMO.

I had teacher tell me to put my gum on my nose. It was against "policy" to chew gum. I told her to put it on her nose. I guess nowadays I probably would have been arrested after being slammed on the ground.

 

[vestigare]

No, but once a student is asked to leave and refuses, it's trespassing, and that's a crime.

You should probably spend some time understanding trespass law.
Asking her to leave class is not executing a trespass order.
Unless the cop or sfhool admin specifically told her to leave the campus she could not be arrested for failing to leave a classroom.