SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 #30***ARREST**

[momof7]

That's what I wonder as well. Hoppy & I both suggested maybe there was more than 1 account and/or more than 1 card. The limit for withdrawal is per card, not per account, so either way taking 5g out is feasible.

Could they have been credit card cash advance withdrawals? I don't know if they had cc but possible I guess? I have not done any cash advances through my cc but I know some who do and they use the ATM as well.

Kelly

 

[cluciano63]

Heather weighed under a 100 lbs and TM is 235 lbs, I think I read that on the arrest warrant. Then factor in the amount of rage that TM had against Heather, I don't think it would take too much effort.

Not that it matters much, but Heather weighed 118, according to posters, I think?

 

[SharetheLight]

That's not what hoppy said. Hoppy specifically said they said in court t was a 5k ATM withdrawal. Hoppy was there in the courtroom and took notes. Some stuff was reported on in the media but some stuff hasn't made it to airwaves yet.

I don't know how to quote from previous threads. This is what Hoppy said in thread #29:

Originally Posted by hoppy

What was said was that they "Withdrew" $5000..... (they didn't say how - which I believe is why TM's attorney made the statement 'prove it'.)

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I think they just said the $5000 was withdrawn the day after Heather went missing.
I think it had to have happened inside the bank not at an ATM.

They didn't state a time during the bond hearing.

Also, I'm assuming they would have had to go inside the bank to withdraw that amount, right?

That's not what hoppy said. Hoppy specifically said they said in court t was a 5k ATM withdrawal. Hoppy was there in the courtroom and took notes. Some stuff was reported on in the media but some stuff hasn't made it to airwaves yet.

I have not seen any specifics on the withdrawal other than what was given at the Bond hearing.

Basically we know they withdrew 5000 from an ATM. Could have been several withdrawals etc.

The banks that I looked up all had a maximum daily withdrawal of about 1000 but someone had mentioned they could have had more than one account therefore they were able to withdraw from each.

Kelly

So we are looking at a withdrawal instead of an ATM withdrawal? That would make more sense to me, that they went into the bank and withdrew the 5000.

I was having a hard time figuring out how an ATM would dispense that much cash!

ETA: I see Jersey Girl commented regarding what Hoppy had said from being at the hearing in person.

Kelly

I don't know how to quote from previous threads. This is what Hoppy said in thread #29:

Originally Posted by hoppy

What was said was that they "Withdrew" $5000..... (they didn't say how - which I believe is why TM's attorney made the statement 'prove it'.)

FOUND IT IN THREAD 28 - bold & sized by me

Basically what I posted earlier was the jest of it.

SM's attorney stated that SM was the one who told LE about TM's texts to Heather (which led to the IE charges). He stated that he isn't sure why SM was charged with OJ - as he felt that SM was attempting to be upfront (after getting caught telling some untruths).

They stated that there had been a 5k ATM withdrawal. Defense attorney's said 'prove it'. They didn't say anything about the 10k in cash that LE found in the home safe.

They made it clear they have searched in VERY DETAILED manner (using specialized equipment which is basically an 'ultrasound of the river bottom') at PTL and NOTHING of Heather's was found.

The solicitor stated the FBI had taken the video survellaince and came back with a list of things to identify 'the vehicle' in the videos:

Ford 150
2013-14
Dark Color
Silver Toolbox
Moon/Sunroof
Fog lights
Specific High End bulb headlights

They found there were 82 of these vehicles. They visually inspected them all and they were ALL excluded EXCEPT for the Moorer vehicle.

They said that both SM and TM have Florida state Identification cards. The defense attorney said it was so they could 'cash their checks' when in FL. They also stated that TM was asking someone if they had a 'hook up' to get them new FL id's.

SM's attorney stated that as this goes along you will find NO EVIDENCE that:

SM was in 'the vehicle'
SM was at PTL
SM was a part of any of this.

He stated the evidence will show that SM had an affair with Heather until October. He said that SM had NO MOTIVE - that SM liked Heather.

TM's attorney said something about his client thinking that someone had 'spoofed her phone' and that she wasn't responsible for some of the calls, texts, etc made on the phone. "Someone was pretending to be them".

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Could they have been credit card cash advance withdrawals? I don't know if they had cc but possible I guess? I have not done any cash advances through my cc but I know some who do and they use the ATM as well.

Kelly

This was my thought exactly. Maybe they even used more than 1 cc, or even paired it with their bank cards, etc.

 

[cluciano63]

I am thinking they were gathering all of their assets to be ready to flee.

IMO it would be so incredibly stupid to pay someone else and yet have one of their own vehicles involved. But...they were stupid enough to make use of their own phone at one point, so who knows.

 

[Lovejac]

Am I allowed to post the rock pic that was on SM's FB page on Dec. 23? I think this is a clue as to where she is. After some google research I found the image someone had saved. Thanks!!

I don't know. I would ask a mod.

Just click on the red triangle that is in the upper right hand corner of your post.

 

[stmarysmead]

Maybe the 4+ minute call to Sidney's cell at 3:17am was actually answered by Sidney when he thought Tammy was asleep. Maybe Tammy heard everything Sidney was saying to Heather and freaked out, then snatched the phone from Sidney which would explain why no more of Heather's calls were answered. Maybe Tammy cuffed Sidney up and rolled with the truck packing a gun & headed to PTL. Maybe Tammy pulled in next to Heather and pointed the gun at her, said hand over her $h!+ which included keys, purse & cell, then tied Heather once she was forced inside of the truck. Maybe Tammy removed the battery to the cell. She could have then strangled her - which could take less than a minute. She may have even taken Sidney's cell and left her own at home, afterall she may have driven his truck to PTL - all for the sake of making it look like Sidney's the culprit. She then takes to the net posting under both of their accounts, which is as transparent as glass. The very first post she made I remember saying she was forming an alibi and pointing out Sidney at the same time. I still think they're both involved but what if? Is it plausible? And where was Heather taken after PTL?

I think the second call had to have been answered by SM....because IMO Heather would only have continued to call his cell when she got to the boat landing...ONLY if she thought he was back in control of it.

So she finally reaches him...talks to him and takes off in her car. Now this is where I get confused. If she thinks he has a car....he can drive to her place. No need to pick him up or "rescue" him. If he says he does not have a car...why the boat landing? Why not the phone booth?

I believe that sweet, good hearted Heather went there to rescue SE. I don't think it was a romantic assignation. I highly doubt she would have gone to such a secluded place if she knew TM had the slightest chance of being with him.

I have also been wondering about the violent boyfriend story she told her parents? Did he exist? Or was that a cover story to explain her fearfulness or even injuries if she was indeed attacked once by TM before this as rumor has it?

I do believe that Heather went to that lonely place that night with intentions to help SE. Instead...she "met the Mrs."

SM's part in that final situation becomes more sinister to me the longer he stays silent.

 

[Softail]

I don't get it. :waitasec: What difference does it make if the 5K was taken out via ATM vs. going inside a bank? Either way, I'm sure there is video surveillance of the transaction.

 

[Lovejac]

How much can you withdraw in one transaction?

I can't tell you the last time I've used an ATM machine, so I have no idea.

ATM's have cameras, as well as the inside of banks, so they'll certainly be able to prove it

 

[SadAndAngry]

I am 2 threads behind so forgive me if this has already been posted but I had a thought this morning about how things may have gone down. The was spurred from so many people in news comments and other comments thinking all LE has is what was revealed on Monday. There is no way that evidence would have secured a kidnapping and murder warrant. All they presented was evidence of unstable personalities, violent behaviors, flight risk, and financial reports indicating they could have money to flee very easily. The evidence presented was only to ensure bond was denied, it was not to prove guilt or innocence because it was not a trial it was just a bond hearing. Ok so my theory is....
Building an alibi
Depending on the date of the money withdraw that could be part of the Ms attempt to make an alibi and say they paid her to run away, which was one of TMs comments somewhere at one point when she was posting under a fake profile (sorry but it would take more than $5000 to get most people to runaway).

The car sex was done in the evening of 12/17 and early morning hours of 12/18 to create an alibi. This shows they are sooooo in love and horney they don't mind being caught on cameras that they clearly know are in place at these locations. All they can get for indecent exposure is a fine and put on sex offender list. They don't care if this suits their purpose of getting away with murder. There are live feed cameras at broadway that you can even watch online to see the crowd levels and "fun" you are missing. SO this move was very intentional.

It was also stated that they sent Heather images of the sexual acts through text messages. (http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2014/03/18/4104390/testimony-weaves-a-tale-of-how.html)

The pay phone Sidney used was on 10th ave gas station.This is very close to broadway and would be on their way home from car sex. The report said the 135 am CALL lasted around 4 min. The word CALL makes me think SM left a voicemail because Heather did not answer. He was faking that he was leaving his wife to be with her, not realizing Heather would hear this message and get upset and call her roommate/best friend/coworker and tell her about the message. Heather would be crying <Mod Snip> or just simply conflicted about wanting to be done with him or perhaps being scared to be with him.

After the pay phone call I think one of the Moorer's was dropped off at Heather's apartment complex. Heather comes home, checks voicemail, calls roomate, calls payphone no answer. Maybe there is a knock at the door? Heather opens it.She is drugged or otherwise restrained or strangled. which ever M is at her apt posts sad things on Tumblr to make Heather look suicidal. That M then uses Heather's phone, calls the other M at 317 to say they have Heather. Which ever M is there takes Heather to her car and drives to the landing. They call the M at home to say they are at the landing. That M rushes down there and they put Heather in the truck. She is either murdered at her house, in the truck, or at their house. They later dispose of her body hopefully not in a very clever way. I really pray and hope and have faith that Heather will be found. She has to be found. Her family needs her so badly :-(

Another thing I thought of is how Tm slipped up. She said in her FB post about Heather's calls that Sidney answered the 341 call to tell Heather to leave him alone. The 341 call was never answered. That is when her phone was disabled. Also in was in a news article that certain family members had been interviewed and they were heavily coached and could not keep their stories consistent. So sad those family members are caught up in all this. I worry how that affects their future mental stability. :-(

It will be interesting to see how all this plays out. I have no doubt TM made Sm do harm heather. She may have held a gun to his head or other family members threatening to harm everyone if he did not do as she said. Any man weak minded/scared enough to be handcuffed to bed for 6 months obviously would not run to the police because that would anger his master. TM is like the ugly step mother in all those Disney movies, hell bent on getting rid of the fairest one of all.

We are all so eager for Heather to be found and for the Moorer's to pay for their crime. I do not think they will get away with this at all. I see them getting at least 30 years or more. Horry county has far too many unsolved cases to go messing up a high profile case such as this one. They made sure to rack up enough other charges such as indecent exposure, financial/loan/tax fraud, kidnapping, murder, possible child neglect or endangerment, and perhaps more. I know all those charges are not issued just yet, but given all the information that is out there I am sure additional charges will come later. They will serve time for something. If they do get away with murdering Heather the community will never be safe for them.

 

[cluciano63]

Do we know if anyone/media besides the person who tweeted about the money said it was taken on the 18th? I can't find anything...

 

[waltzingmatilda]

http://www.wjtv.com/story/24992456/...-accused-of-killing-20-year-old-missing-woman

Thanks to whoever posted above link! IMHO, Heather was afraid of TM (after reading the texts TM sent her) and wouldn't have gone to PTL to meet her. But she did go there willingly to meet SM without knowing that TM was also in the vehicle. Heather hopped in and Tammy hit her in the head with the butt of that gun she & SM posed with. I can see TM doing this because she is twisted, IMO. This would disable Heather and they could quickly pull this off in the few minutes they were at PTL.

The video of the truck on the way to PTL took 3 minutes from the timestamps on the private home and then the business. It took only 1 minute or less from the business to the private home on the way back from PTL. That truck sure was in a hurry going away from PTL.

Does anyone recall when HRE moved in with BW? TIA been away for awhile and trying to catch up.

all moo

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Not so sure LE will pursue the theory that Heather was murdered at PTL. That may have been their theory until all video received to date had been reviewed. The landing may be the actual start of the series of crimes against Heather instead, with murder site unknown, IMO. In a case without victim's body, LE obviously can't know everything. JMO

But if they don't know where she was killed, how are they going to win the case? That would mean they have no evidence from the crime scene. A no-body case where they can't even tell the jury where the murder happened?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

How much can you withdraw in one transaction?

I can't tell you the last time I've used an ATM machine, so I have no idea.

ATM's have cameras, as well as the inside of banks, so they'll certainly be able to prove it

Each bank and ATM have their own financial agreement in place. If I go to a WaWa I'm limited to $600. The ATMs in Disney (maybe SunTrust?) I'm limited to I think $500- I forget. However, I've taken out $1500 at an ATM in a casino previously. My husband has taken out more than $2000 in AC. So I think it depends n your financial institution and the allowance of the governing ATM being used. Most wont let you take out that much without preauthorization from your banking institution and even then you'd have to go inside of an actual bank. It's just not that case all of the time, but rather most of the time that holds true.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

http://www.wjtv.com/story/24992456/...-accused-of-killing-20-year-old-missing-woman

Thanks to whoever posted above link! IMHO, Heather was afraid of TM (after reading the texts TM sent her) and wouldn't have gone to PTL to meet her. But she did go there willingly to meet SM without knowing that TM was also in the vehicle. Heather hopped in and Tammy hit her in the head with the butt of that gun she & SM posed with. I can see TM doing this because she is twisted, IMO. This would disable Heather and they could quickly pull this off in the few minutes they were at PTL.

The video of the truck on the way to PTL took 3 minutes from the timestamps on the private home and then the business. It took only 1 minute or less from the business to the private home on the way back from PTL. That truck sure was in a hurry going away from PTL.

Does anyone recall when HRE moved in with BW? TIA been away for awhile and trying to catch up.

all moo

Beginning of December. She was only living in the apartment for a couple of weeks.

 

[momof7]

Each bank and ATM have their own financial agreement in place. If I go to a WaWa I'm limited to $600. The ATMs in Disney (maybe SunTrust?) I'm limited to I think $500- I forget. However, I've taken out $1500 at an ATM in a casino previously. My husband has taken out more than $2000 in AC. So I think it depends n your financial institution and the allowance of the governing ATM being used. Most wont let you take out that much without preauthorization from your banking institution and even then you'd have to go inside of an actual bank. It's just not that case all of the time, but rather most of the time that holds true.

We have a credit union so we have a limit of 750 per day. As you stated, in WDW we have taken 500 for the day out of the ATM. (This is the ATM at Animal Kingdom so not sure what bank it was from or if the same as a resort). One time we needed more than the allowed 750 for the day to send a Western Union to one of our relatives, called the bank and they did something to lift the cap for a one time withdrawal. That was USAA.

I did notice when googling that most had 1000 limit per day.

As another posted, not sure that it makes a difference, because they would have video of inside the bank or at the ATM. The information solely used to indicate they were a flight risk. I know there are some who think it is possible it was for a 'helper' but I am not sure how I feel about that being the case. It always is one of those 'could have happened/might be' things, but it would seem if they were planning on that the 10,000 in the safe at home would handle that transaction. imho

Kelly

 

[cluciano63]

But if they don't know where she was killed, how are they going to win the case? That would mean they have no evidence from the crime scene. A no-body case where they can't even tell the jury where the murder happened?

I am not sure that all or most "no body" cases have crime scene locale. Sometimes they have to go by the facts they do have...all of the calls, texts, videos, threats, whatever dNA they may have, motive, opportunity, the fact that Heather has never been seen, heard from or used any cards for money since, etc...

Anyway...I KNOW she is dead, in my brain. Maybe if TM's posts about Heather were not so seething with hatred/rage (IMO), I could consider her having been "paid off" by the M's to "get lost" or run away. But in my mind, if Heather encountered TM or a representative of TM that night...she did not live through it.
I think this will truly be a case of dozens of bits of info that jurors will be asked to examine and conclude that Heather must be dead, beyond reasonable (not ALL) doubt and that her death came about via the Moorers. I could do it, without knowing where they actually killed her.

JMO

 

[Canaille]

I don't get it. :waitasec: What difference does it make if the 5K was taken out via ATM vs. going inside a bank? Either way, I'm sure there is video surveillance of the transaction.

My guess would be dependent upon the time of the withdrawal. If it was done at an ATM machine, maybe they needed the money before the banks opened.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Beginning of December. She was only living in the apartment for a couple of weeks.

Great seeing you, Jersey*Girl! :seeya: Thanks for the info. It's no wonder Heather moved after getting those threatening texts from TM.