SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #9

[sadnpod]

Please, please, please can we get a sm thread in the PL?

 

[paris_paris]

Salem, I have no interest in FB at the moment, so will try very hard to stick within the rules. [modsnip]

 

[nycgrl]

Question mods, in regards to the FHFB, are future posts made by admins on there allowed to be linked?

 

[Flo girl]

I guess we're pretty much without words now. I'm not going to risk a real TO, so I'm going to just observe, as I have been for most of the day.

Hmm..nod...yep!

 

[Salem]

We are not going to open a thread in the Parking Lot at this time. The rules in the Parking Lot are the same, except more discussion is allowed of the victim's actual posts.

A parking lot thread would not allow for discussing innocent people, people that have NOT been named POIs or suspects or redacted information. Such a thread could not be used to discuss the posters on the facebook and their connections to each other, etc.

So at this point, a thread in the parking lot will not help. What we need is a presser from LE or a good media article discussing the recent events. Until we get that, we are in a holding pattern.

Salem

 

[hockeymom4]

What are we allowed to talk about on here? I feel as though almost every topic is off the table. Not faulting the mods, just trying to figure out, what are we allowed to discuss. Can someone help me out?

 

[Salem]

Question mods, in regards to the FHFB, are future posts made by admins on there allowed to be linked?

No. No linking, no discussing. If you see something regarding a search, alert a mod and we will look at it.

Salem

 

[Topcat]

What are we allowed to talk about on here? I feel as though almost every topic is off the table. Not faulting the mods, just trying to figure out, what are we allowed to discuss. Can someone help me out?

Broncos going to the Super Bowl?:floorlaugh:

 

[Salem]

What are we allowed to talk about on here? I feel as though almost every topic is off the table. Not faulting the mods, just trying to figure out, what are we allowed to discuss. Can someone help me out?

This is the time when LE is working on the tedious stuff - the "footwork" building a case, checking their facts, looking for supporting evidence. Here is how you all can help with that:

Things to do in Cases When There's No News:
Last updated: Monday, May 17, 2010

- Go back through threads and collect what you think are the top ten most important links in the case, make a list of them, and post them. These lists would be great for both those familiar with the case, as well as people new to the case.

- If there's no timeline for the case, create one and post it, or begin one that others could add to. Find the most recent timeline, update it, and post it. If an existing timeline doesn't need updating, check to see if it's been posted within the last three pages of the most recent thread, and if not, go ahead and post it again for people new to the case to read.

- Write up your own recap of the story of the case and post it. Great for people who are new to the case, plus you get to give a voice to the victim.

- Go back and collect the known facts of the case, along with their source links, and post them. If you don't have time to collect all of them, just do whatever you have time for, and ask for others to add to it.

- Write up your own theory of what happened in the case and post it. Great to get others thinking about and posting on the case, and bring attention to it.

- Find a picture of the victim that hasn't been posted for a while, and post it so there's always a face to put with the victim's name, reminding people that the victim is a real person.

- Research to see if there's an updated missing poster and post it or link to it so it can be printed and distributed.

- Find the most recent map(s) of significant locations, update them if necessary, or just post the list of links if it hasn't been posted in the last few pages. If there's already a map created with one tool, create one with another tool that might give a different perspective. Maps can be created with Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/), Bing (http://www.bing.com/maps/?FORM=Z9LH7), and other online tools.

- Check Google News or Interceder (http://interceder.net/) for the most recent news story, and post it with a note that it's the most recent story on the case.

- See if there's a candle lighting site for the victim. If so, light a candle and post the link. If not, create a site, light a candle, and post the link so others can light candles. http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm?l=ENG

- Humanize the victim - see if you can find some of the victim's favorite things, make a list, and post them. Did you find the victim's favorite song? See if you can find the lyrics, and post a link to them. Did you find the victim's favorite place to go? See if you can find a website for it, or a link to it on Google Maps or Bing.com, and link to them.

- Write up a recap of the victim's story, or a particular aspect of the case that interests or puzzles you, in your very own unique way, and post it.

- Write up a Myth Buster! Do you know of a rumor or misinformation that's made the rounds in the case and has always bugged you? Look up the source links for the real facts, and bust the myth!

- Find all the Nancy Grace transcripts for all the shows about the case, make a list of the links, and post them. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html

- Start a list of direct quotes from LE, along with the date stated, and link to source. Post it and ask others to contribute to it.

- Is there a certain news video or press conference that you and others are constantly listening to to determine what was said? Transcribe it and post it for reference.

- Make a Who's Who list of the people in the case, with their full name so they can be searched for easily, and what their role or relationship is to the case. Use initials only though, when appropriate per TOS.

- Make a list of the news websites that have been covering the case regularly, collect their URLs, and post it.

- For cases where there are general discussion threads instead of a forum, check to see if important information and links have been brought forward from previous threads, such as timeline, case recap, list of news websites, photo archives, candle lighting site for the victim, etc. Post the ones that haven't been brought forward yet.

 

[CarolinaAsh]

If LE doesn't do a presser soon, or MSM publish more, there is going to be a dang riot. Still hoping for some NG coverage Monday!! Will it be new since it's a holiday? anyone know?

 

[cluciano63]

At the moment...the entire cases hinges on SM, in a way. And the fact that the report was leaked. We can't pretend they weren't and go back to a possible drowning, a suicide, a random, a ran-off on her own, etc...at least I can't. So.

 

[rizzo0904]

Generic question. Say the community comes up with its own poi. This poi ends up being innocent. Can this person sue the town for slander or fear/stress that was caused?

 

[CarolinaAsh]

Salem's gonna wake my OCD up again with that list! lol

 

[Ghostwheel]

I don't know if this was posted yet.
http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/local/horry_county/article_4c83e1c6-7faf-11e3-a518-001a4bcf6878.html

Terry Elvis has made a promise to his daughter.

“No matter what, no matter where, no matter the cost. No matter the penalty, no matter the ramifications, whatever it takes, I will find you and fix it.”

I want to hope that somehow, somebody gave HE money to go somewhere else, and she went for some reason that made sense at the time. I like this man and don't want him to go to jail if he gets hold of whomever did this.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I'm playing catch up here on some posts, you're making a statement based on a presumption. Have you ever requested a document through FOIA? I have and you can get a redacted document for a number of reasons .In this case an ongoing investigation would be a cause to redact certain info. That being said I truly believe that this release was not due to incompetence but as "chum in the water". It went through too many hands to be a mistaken release and if it was, an apology would have been released by the LE and the papers. To my knowledge there was none..
btw If I'm coming off "strong " my apologies in advance

This is what I've been thinking too.
I've wondered who exactly is running the show in Heather's case.
There's been only one other case on WS where I've sensed similar vibes but, in that case, they were only trying very hard to run it.
Can't say sensing this oddity isn't bugging me because it is.

 

[Treelights]

At the moment...the entire cases hinges on SM, in a way. And the fact that the report was leaked. We can't pretend they weren't and go back to a possible drowning, a suicide, a random, a ran-off on her own, etc...at least I can't. So.

It certainly has created quite a stir these last several days, that's for sure.

IMOO.

 

[rizzo0904]

I hate to say it, but I think this is a recovery effort. If she were in a swampy area, what type of evidence would be left between the gators and hogs? I'm assuming there is a wild hog population there.

I hope there is some solid evidence that won't require the body.

Sorry so grim.

 

[SharetheLight]

That list is kinda tough. (Salem's suggested list of things to do)

I've thought about doing a who's who but with so little released through MSM it would be a very short list.

HE=Heather Elvis=victim
TE=Terry Elvis=victim's father
DE=Debbie Elvis=victim's mother
ME= victim's sister
CE=victim's brother
BW=victim's roommate (thinking this is okay since she was quoted in an article.)
Kenneth Canterbury=reporting officer who responded to report of suspicious vehicle at PTL on 12/19/13

TK=Tilted Kilt=victim's workplace
HOB=House of Blues=victim's workplace.

Is there anyone else we know about through a TOS friendly source that we can add to this?

 

[Ghostwheel]

Generic question. Say the community comes up with its own poi. This poi ends up being innocent. Can this person sue the town for slander or fear/stress that was caused?

It is my belief that individuals could be sued for slander(spoken) or libel (written). Not the entire town, though. And it would have to be proven that whatever was written or spoken was untrue, caused a major negative impact on a life and was done with malice. Which is why the terms IMO, JMHO etc are so important. You can say almost anything you want if it is your opinion. 1st amendment and all that.

For example if you say "Person X is certifiably insane." Person X would have to prove that they are not certifiably insane to sue you for slander. But if you say " I think Person X is certifiably insane." that isn't slander, it is your opinion.

 

[Topcat]

here are links to some local newspapers....

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/
http://www.scnow.com/
http://www.southstrandnews.com/