SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #9

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Glad you didn't get the door slammed on you, dizzigirl! lol I think that since a lot of information was released today, the mods can relax a little bit now. I'm still trying to be mindful there's still a lot of stuff we can't discuss. Anything is possible, of course, but again, lying about the circumstances has caused me to form an opinion about what may have happened. No matter what reason one might have for lying to the cops, it will affect their overall opinion of you.
 
Sadly, I don't think taking her own life was ever an option for Heather.

I think someone else took her life. I wont speculate over the who or why, but I just don't see how suicide would fit into all this. The absence of a body makes it difficult for me to even contemplate that.
 
Have i said something i shouldnt? Omg, i am more than happy to modify it? I was sure i was sticking to MSM & imagining what type of conversation people could have that would lead to a sad decision?
 
The older married man has a wife who he was allegedly leaving and who he supposedly told that night.

Where was she between 3 and 6 a.m.?

How about the next day? Did these people break their normal "routines" on the 18th and 19th?

Where were THEIR vehicles?

I am sure they would both be very happy to eliminate themselves as possible POI's with forthcoming location information for their own whereabouts for those days, by providing cell records and witness information to their own activities.

How have the older married man and his wife acted since finding out about Heather's disappearance? Is the OMM upset? Has he gone back to his wife and lived happily ever after?

Where is Heather?
 
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decay occurs. When enough gas has formed to inflate the tissues and distend
the skin, the body becomes lighter than water and rises to the surface. This
process is due to the action of bacteria within the body. Consequently, the length
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to the surface in a day or two. However, if the water is cold, bacterial action
takes place very slowly and it may take several weeks before the body appears
on the surface. When a body is fully distended it is almost impossible to sink
even with counter weights.
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dizzigirl1 said:
Have i said something i shouldnt? Omg, i am more than happy to modify it? I was sure i was sticking to MSM & imagining what type of conversation people could have that would lead to a sad decision?
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Oh, no! I mean, not that I know of! I'm sorry if you think that because of something I said? I just meant that they had to heavily moderate this thread because so much info was come by an unauthorized source. That changed today with MSM reporting on the case.Nothing to do with you!
 
If OMM says he's going to leave his wife and HE didn't want him - then what?

Did he meet her to try and convince her to come with him?

Did a lovers tryst end horribly by OMM and HE being caught together by the OMMs wife after the news he was leaving?
 
It is always nice to read other poster's opinions. Now I will give mine.

I really don't feel she went missing on her own accord. Something happened to her and unfortunately I think there is foul play involved. I was twenty years old a short seven years ago, and some of the things I did then I would never do now, but that is the whole point of growing up, maturing and coming to understand the world a bit more. At twenty, I was far more reckless (the stories I could tell you about some of my friends LOL). At twenty you are just starting to figure things out.

I hope I'm wrong and she simply wanted to get away for awhile, but I just don't see her putting her family through that. I think investigators know a lot more than they are saying (as do several people on FB it appears), and hopefully there is progress in the efforts to bring her home.

JMO
 
It's a relief there was some MSM movement today so that we could all have some opinions and be able to do so with a bit of solid backing. I noticed that MSM says the 6am time frame for the some of the back and forth calls, i remember someone mentioning that time the other day in the discussion around time stamping of calls (good call for the Wsers that did) . Living on a border, my phone will have different timezones depending on the furniture i leave it on lol..i do believe that those calls are significant in what happened next.

I was never close to my family and am still not close. Their feelings wouldn't necessarily have entered my head in decisions i made going through my 20s it was very definitely all about me. My husband pretty much chose to end his life with no thought to anyone else. Please don't think i am suggesting that here in this situation. It just impacts my thoughts around what has potentially happened. (please also don't feel any need to say you are sorry, just explaining why i do see the possibility of suicide)

Ps: for Questionmark - i am nearly 45 this year and i cringe at how i was when i was 20. A bit dark, twisty and nutty for boys lol...well before mobiles, facebook, twitter, instagram etc lol...come to think of it, possibly i am still that same person lol..it makes me laugh a bit at myself thinking about pre SM in the old days...
 
dizzigirl1 said:
It's a relief there was some MSM movement today so that we could all have some opinions and be able to do so with a bit of solid backing. I noticed that MSM says the 6am time frame for the some of the back and forth calls, i remember someone mentioning that time the other day in the discussion around time stamping of calls (good call for the Wsers that did) . Living on a border, my phone will have different timezones depending on the furniture i leave it on lol..i do believe that those calls are significant in what happened next.

I was never close to my family and am still not close. Their feelings wouldn't necessarily have entered my head in decisions i made going through my 20s it was very definitely all about me. My husband pretty much chose to end his life with no thought to anyone else. Please don't think i am suggesting that here in this situation. It just impacts my thoughts around what has potentially happened. (please also don't feel any need to say you are sorry, just explaining why i do see the possibility of suicide)

Ps: for Questionmark - i am nearly 45 this year and i cringe at how i was when i was 20. A bit dark, twisty and nutty for boys lol...well before mobiles, facebook, twitter, instagram etc lol...come to think of it, possibly i am still that same person lol..it makes me laugh a bit at myself thinking about pre SM in the old days...
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I completely understand your sentiments and why you are open to various conclusions in this case. I'm also so very sorry to hear about your husband. I can't imagine how painful that would be.

I think we should be open to all possibilities, I'm just wondering why she wouldn't be found yet. I live in sunny CA so I don't really know what the weather is like out there... is there snow and ice and frozen ponds? I think the location of her car could be very telling, but could also be a ruse. I would love to be a fly on the wall alongside the detectives in this case (or even in OMM's house). I also am relieved we can discuss things about this case now that MSM has dropped a couple "bombshells" we were previously avoiding any discussion of. I wonder who confirmed the reports on the OMM (older married man).

Also... this has been bugging me. Was OMM on the radar before TE looked at HE phone bill online? If not, that would suggest TE/family were not aware of OMM and only came to know this information after digging through phone logs and perhaps talking to roomie/friends. I think it is also very telling OMM at first denied recent contact (maybe his definition was face to face and not over the phone... who knows). After being confronted with the phone bill maybe he changed his tune?

I really feel sorry for her roommate and the young man she was on a date with who has been cleared.

ALL JMO
 
dizzigirl1 said:
Ps: for Questionmark - i am nearly 45 this year and i cringe at how i was when i was 20. A bit dark, twisty and nutty for boys lol...well before mobiles, facebook, twitter, instagram etc lol...come to think of it, possibly i am still that same person lol..it makes me laugh a bit at myself thinking about pre SM in the old days...
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When I was a 20 year old (female), I remember going to a bar, with a fake ID, drinking, and then letting a 37 year old male stranger (supposedly a doctor) drive my friend and me back to our college dorm. I shudder when I think what could have happened to us. 20 year olds can be so reckless and naive. Way too trusting :(. As a mother, I really struggle with making sure my kids know the dangers out there but keeping them from being as paranoid as I now am.
 
Morning lovely sleuths! It's a chilly one up here, thought i would share some warmth:)

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Praying for heather's return!!!!!
 
I followed Sidney Randalls very sad story here & it took a few months for her body to be found (it was in the water) I'm sure that was it was eventually found before your winter over there but after a flood had increased the height of the water. I must look again. I'm not sure about water/weather or the US really but our site has taught me anything can happen and it can't always be easily explained.

I don't think OM would have been on the radar. My guess is a reluctant answer from one of Heather's friends when they identified the number? An OM would freak my dad out even though we weren't close because i am his 5yr old daughter forever.

Denial is a fight/flight response when we are confronted. People deny all sorts of things then they eventually become rational, calm down & think logically and go into how do i fix this? Then they tend to admit things or have worked out a story for themselves. I see it alot at work. When people deny things no matter how clear it is that they shouldn't they still amaze me.

I am at times too glass if half full. I also now desperately want a new MSM article with more in it.
 
TTF14 said:
When I was a 20 year old (female), I remember going to a bar, with a fake ID, drinking, and then letting a 37 year old male stranger (supposedly a doctor) drive my friend and me back to our college dorm. I shudder when I think what could have happened to us. 20 year olds can be so reckless and naive. Way too trusting :(. As a mother, I really struggle with making sure my kids know the dangers out there but keeping them from being as paranoid as I now am.
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Same, i used to wander streets alone at 4am after drinking because i was stubborn and wouldn't wait for friends or cabs. We are legally allowed to go to clubs at 18 here & i had gone to a rather strict catholic school so you can probably imagine what happens next lol. I used to get into cars with drunk drivers and all sorts of stupid things. I look back and wonder how i got away with my stupidity and put it down to luck. Mercifully my sons head appears relatively screwed on which if you knew me, would automatically say miracle lol.
 
MOO, and possibly making the mistake of applying my own experience when it isn't logical to do so...

But I disagree with the suicide theory. This is based on her social media and my own journals from when I was Heather's age, growing up not too far away in upstate SC. My friends and I were all angry, dark, intense, depressed...and happy, silly, funny, and optimistic. Things hurt really badly at that age, but you express it, process it, laugh about it when you can, and keep trucking.

To be more clear - even if she (for example) took meds for depression or had a surprise pregnancy, I just don't see it. She just seems perfectly, heart-achingly normal to me, and I think she met with foul play.


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QuestionMark said:
I think we need more info... hopefully after the MSM release of all that great info yesterday, more outlets will follow suit.

SIDE NOTE: I'm really concerned with the word "bounty" being used. I know emotions are high, but people need to let Law Enforcement do their job. JMO

hope this is MSM: http://www.thestate.com/2014/01/20/3218129/reward-for-missing-heather-elvis.html
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The State is definitely mainstream media. Do you guys think TE is even serious about a bounty, or is he maybe just cracking a little bit under all the rumors and trying to place pressure on who he thinks is involved?


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http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/24502751/demanding-changes-to-missing-persons-cases-in-horry-county

Malinowski's step-dad, Lonnie Jordan, is calling for a change in how missing persons cases are dealt with in the county. "I hate seeing other families, like the Elvis family going through this. You try to reach out, but they're not very receptive, because during that time you pull in, you don't know who to trust," said Jordan. No family chooses this ordeal, and many don't know the first steps to take.
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