SC - Paul Murdaugh, 22 and mom Margaret, 52, found shot to death, Islandton, 7 June 2021 #13

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Do you all think the State will seek the Death Penalty?

I do, and if that happens, I think AM will do a plea deal. I don't think he wants the gruesome/scandalous facts to come out in a public trial. AM has shown an immense sense of pride and entitlement throughout this entire case. He knows he's facing up to 70 years just for the embezzlement and fraud charges anyway.

MOO
 
Do you all think the State will seek the Death Penalty?

I do, and if that happens, I think AM will do a plea deal. I don't think he wants the gruesome/scandalous facts to come out in a public trial. AM has shown an immense sense of pride and entitlement throughout this entire case. He knows he's facing up to 70 years just for the embezzlement and fraud charges anyway.

MOO

I hope so. Although I believe that will lead to a plea once the evidence is seen by the defense. But I also think that a large part of him thinks he’s invincible.

Jmo
 
I hope so. Although I believe that will lead to a plea once the evidence is seen by the defense. But I also think that a large part of him thinks he’s invincible.

Jmo
I agree that AM thinks he is invincible. He has been getting by on his charm and BS/lies for so long. Bless his heart, it's gong to take a few minutes for him to realize he is no longer the revered member of society he pretended to be all his life. He's probably wishing he had tried harder on the side of the road that day.
 
Do you all think the State will seek the Death Penalty?

I do, and if that happens, I think AM will do a plea deal. I don't think he wants the gruesome/scandalous facts to come out in a public trial. AM has shown an immense sense of pride and entitlement throughout this entire case. He knows he's facing up to 70 years just for the embezzlement and fraud charges anyway.

MOO
I seriously doubt they will seek the death penalty against AM. <modsnip> I hope I'm wrong.
 
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Do you all think the State will seek the Death Penalty?

I do, and if that happens, I think AM will do a plea deal. I don't think he wants the gruesome/scandalous facts to come out in a public trial. AM has shown an immense sense of pride and entitlement throughout this entire case. He knows he's facing up to 70 years just for the embezzlement and fraud charges anyway.

MOO

Of course. This is SC and the death penalty is a homerun for politicians here. It catches headlines and automatically elevates the case. If they have the aggravations to add I’d bet on it.
 
I seriously doubt they will seek the death penalty against AM. <modsnip> I hope I'm wrong.
Unfortunately I agree. But there are cases in Texas where it has happened because of life insurance. But then in Texas the laws to use the death penalty are broad. You don't even have to commit the crime. Each state is different.
 
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^^rsbbm

@RAISINISBACK
- thanks for your response to my post. Although I did my best to snip what I was responding to (re-quoted above), it seems I was not clear, and apologize.

Although I was not referring to the legal definition of "disregarded entity," I think the better choice of word is non-entity.

I think Forge was a non-entity, where the profits and losses pass through to the owner, and the proprietorship was solely owned by one spouse, AM.

I'm not sure why OP sent link for the grand jury indictment filed 7/20/22, USA v Russell Lucius Laffitte? If the intent was to send the complaint by the Estate against BOA, I've already seen this. Thanks again.
This post is about to get real boring so some people may want to roll and scroll on it. lol

@Seattle1

Let me explain a little about federal income taxes since I don't think I was clear in my earlier post and may have confused some people. I apologize if I did confuse anyone or am about to confuse anyone.

Most of the people in the U.S file a federal income tax return even if they are retired. The only way you are exempted from filing is if you had no reportable income. Some examples of that would be people who only draw Social Security or veteran's pension or some type disability that is non taxable or certain monetary gifts (note: some inheritances are exempt) or you don't have any income at all. Otherwise all money a person receives is income even if it is illegal income. All of it is reported on various forms issued by the IRS.

I am going to exclude non profit returns (990) and 1120 Corporation Returns (which are not pass through entities) and payroll returns to shorten this up a bit so I don't put everyone to sleep. (I know and you're welcome.)

Your personal income tax is filed on a form 1040 return. This is important to remember (there will be a quiz later. Just joking lol). That form 1040 return has many forms that tie into it so to speak. W-2's, 1099R's, 1099G's, Schedules A, B, C, D, E, F ect. The Schedules also have forms that tie into them such as the 4797 and 4562. Anyone who's name is on the form1040 as a primary or joint taxpayer must sign this return either manually if filing on paper or form 8879 if filing electronically.

Obviously most people know what a W-2 is because they get one every year from their employer. The income from this goes on line 1 under salaries, wages, and tips.

Line 2b and 3b is taxable interest and qualified dividends which is reported on a Schedule B then transferred to the 1040 form.

Line 4b and 5b is taxable pensions and annuities which are entered on the 1040 form from a 1099R or CSA 1099-R.

Line 6b is social security benefits which are entered on the 1040 form from a SSA-5 form.

Line 7 is capital gains. This income is entered through the Schedule D which has entries from various forms such as a 1099B sales of stocks and bonds or 1099S which is sales of real estate or 4797 sales of business property.

Line 8 is what we want to get to here. This is other income which is entered on the form 1040 from a Schedule 1. Amounts on Schedule 1 come from many forms but the ones in particular I want to address are the Schedule C and Schedule E.

The Schedule C is Profit and Loss from a Business. The taxpayer can elect to use their own social security number (SSN) or obtain an Employer Identification Number (EIN) free from the IRS to report income on a Schedule C.

There are 2 types of income you can report from your business on this form, sole proprietorship or an LLC. A sole proprietorship can contain in the name DBA (Doing Business As) such as: John Doe DBA John's Auto Repair but cannot be a disregarded entity since it has not been set up with the state you live in as a business. Many types of income can be reported as a sole proprietorship such as contract labor reported on a 1099 NEC or cash money. If you chose to register your business as an LLC then it also can be reported on a Schedule C. The name will contain LLC such as: John's Auto Repair LLC.

LLC's are special in the fact the business owner can elect to report it on a Schedule C (John's Auto Repair) or a form 1065 Partnership (John and Son's Auto Repair) or a form 1120S (small corporation) John's Auto Repair INC. The form 1065 and 1120S are both pass through entities meaning that those returns have no tax liability on the profits in of themselves but are instead passed through to the Schedule E (PartII) then to the Schedule 1 onto the form 1040 Personal Income Tax Return.

If it is reported on a Schedule C then it is a sole proprietorship. Nothing else other than a sole proprietorship can be reported on a Schedule C. That income is then entered into the form 1040 through the Schedule 1 even if only one person owns the business.

If the person owning the business opens a bank account they either have to use their own SSN or the EIN from the IRS. Sometimes both. To open a bank account on a Partnership or Corporation they must have the registering certificate from the state they are in and the bylaws of said partnership or corporation. They must use an EIN (some banks will add the taxpayers SSN) and all checks made out to the corporation must go into that corporation bank account. You cannot put corporate checks in your personal bank account and you cannot put personal checks made out to you in your corporate account.

Many married people have different kinds of income. One might be working for someone and have wages or salaries while their spouse may be in business for themselves(self-employed) but both of their income is reported on the form 1040. Remember the form 1040 is your personal income tax return which must be signed by the primary and joint taxpayer.

The Schedule E Supplemental Income and Loss is used for income from rental property (part I) Income from pass through entities (so called because no actual tax is due on the income from these forms but is simply entered in Part II of the Schedule E) such as partnerships (Form 1065 return) or income from Form 1120S corporation return.

This excludes the form 1120 which is a Corporate Return which has it's own tax liability, in other words the form 1120 is NOT a pass through entity.

Part III deals in estates and trusts which we will not go into. (I know a lot of you are saying thank God on that right now.)

The income from the Schedule E is entered on the Form 1040 through the Schedule 1. Once again, the form 1040 is your personal income tax return that the primary and joint taxpayer must sign.

There are 4 filing statuses on the 1040 form.
1.Single (unmarried with no dependents)
2.Married filing Joint (MFJ) (married couples filing together)
3.Married filing Separate (MFS)(married couples electing to file separate returns, for various reasons but mainly because one spouse does not want to be responsible for the other spouses tax liability. You see this a lot in marriages where one spouse gambles and has a lot of W-2G's and the other spouse says (heck no I am not paying taxes on the money you won, i told you to stay out of the casinos." lol)
4.Head of Household (HOH)(for unmarried taxpayers that have dependents)
5.Qualifying widower (QW) (someone who has minor children who's spouse died during the tax year)

So assuming that AM and MM did not file Married Filing Separate (in which case since MM did not work outside the home she would not file a tax return at all.) then the only other filing status is Married filing Joint. If they filed
MOJ then MM HAD to sign the tax return even though only AM had business income. So she had to know what income was being reported.

Example is hubby and I. I own a business which is incorporated and before he retired he worked for an employer.

My income is reported on an 1120S ((entered on our form 1040 from form 1120S, form Schedule E (Part II) and then Schedule 1), his wages (when he was still working) were reported on the form 1040 from a W-2 (line 1) and his retirement is reported on form 1040 through a 1099R (401K) on line 4b and since he was a federal civil service employee a CSA 1099-R on line 5b. (Federal employees have their own retirement plans so he cannot draw Social Security). All of this income is on the form 1040 personal income tax return which we both must sign even though only I am self employed with a business.

Now as all of you are probably asleep by now I will just say that if AM was reporting that income then MM had to sign their tax return so therefore she had to see what income he reported.

BBM
I'm not sure why OP sent link for the grand jury indictment filed 7/20/22, USA v Russell Lucius Laffitte? If the intent was to send the complaint by the Estate against BOA, I've already seen this

That link has nothing to do with BOA. It contains the amounts and types of ways Lafitte allowed AM to distribute money from loans from his clients conservatorships (money orders, cashiers checks personal checks ect).

JMO
 
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Hold on to your horses, y’all. People magazine just dropped some bombshells in their Aug 1 issue (I’m a subscriber so you get a sneak peek):

Bombshells!

Maggie had consulted a divorce attorney and was looking forward to “life without Alex.”

Her divorce lawyer “surely would discover [Alex’s] crimes while digging through the couple’s accounts. She knew Alex was a liar.”

She had moved to Edisto in February 2021.

Alex would not tell her what hospital his father was at and insisted she meet him first at Moselle.

“According to a law enforcement source who shared with people all the details from the investigators working theory of what happened that night, when Maggie arrived, Alex had one of his AR style rifles at the ready.”

Alex didn’t know Paul would be there, checking on a dog he was boarding for a friend.

As Paul took a video of the friend’s dog, he could hear a tense argument between his parents outside. Police found audio of the fighting captured in a video on Paul’s phone, which was discovered under his body.

Blood spatter matching Maggie’s DNA was found on Alex’s laundered shirt.

 
He's probably young enough that he can redeem himself, if he chooses. He may go through this horrible time emerging as a better person. I hope he does, it will make his own life much better and will make it easier to move forward.
At any rate he lost his mom and brother and effectively his home so I have to sympathize with him. I feel he has been the largest victim in all this. I read the depositions from the kids on the boat who were quoting rumors from school friends of BM and PM and their own and they mentioned BM's name in connection with SS, as a possible romantic relationship. If that is true, and SS was murdered, then BM has really suffered a lot, because before, SS's death was ruled a hit and run. Just imagine what he is going to feel like if it comes out PM or AM had something to do with SS's death. That's going to put the kid under after his father being charged with killing his mom and brother. Not to mention the grief for all 3.

JMO
 
Hold on to your horses, y’all. People magazine just dropped some bombshells in their Aug 1 issue (I’m a subscriber so you get a sneak peek):

Bombshells!

Maggie had consulted a divorce attorney and was looking forward to “life without Alex.”

Her divorce lawyer “surely would discover [Alex’s] crimes while digging through the couple’s accounts. She knew Alex was a liar.”

She had moved to Edisto in February 2021.

Alex would not tell her what hospital his father was at and insisted she meet him first at Moselle.

“According to a law enforcement source who shared with people all the details from the investigators working theory of what happened that night, when Maggie arrived, Alex had one of his AR style rifles at the ready.”

Alex didn’t know Paul would be there, checking on a dog he was boarding for a friend.

As Paul took a video of the friend’s dog, he could hear a tense argument between his parents outside. Police found audio of the fighting captured in a video on Paul’s phone, which was discovered under his body.

Blood spatter matching Maggie’s DNA was found on Alex’s laundered shirt.

WOW!!!!!
 
Hold on to your horses, y’all. People magazine just dropped some bombshells in their Aug 1 issue (I’m a subscriber so you get a sneak peek):

Bombshells!

Maggie had consulted a divorce attorney and was looking forward to “life without Alex.”

Her divorce lawyer “surely would discover [Alex’s] crimes while digging through the couple’s accounts. She knew Alex was a liar.”

She had moved to Edisto in February 2021.

Alex would not tell her what hospital his father was at and insisted she meet him first at Moselle.

“According to a law enforcement source who shared with people all the details from the investigators working theory of what happened that night, when Maggie arrived, Alex had one of his AR style rifles at the ready.”

Alex didn’t know Paul would be there, checking on a dog he was boarding for a friend.

As Paul took a video of the friend’s dog, he could hear a tense argument between his parents outside. Police found audio of the fighting captured in a video on Paul’s phone, which was discovered under his body.

Blood spatter matching Maggie’s DNA was found on Alex’s laundered shirt.


I suspected that AM didn’t know PM was there, why the different gun.

Jmo
 
At any rate he lost his mom and brother and effectively his home so I have to sympathize with him. I feel he has been the largest victim in all this. I read the depositions from the kids on the boat who were quoting rumors from school friends of BM and PM and their own and they mentioned BM's name in connection with SS, as a possible romantic relationship. If that is true, and SS was murdered, then BM has really suffered a lot, because before, SS's death was ruled a hit and run. Just imagine what he is going to feel like if it comes out PM or AM had something to do with SS's death. That's going to put the kid under after his father being charged with killing his mom and brother. Not to mention the grief for all 3.

JMO
While I have empathy for BM for his terrible loss of mother and brother, I can't forget the jailhouse conversations with his Dad about them trying to get their 'contacts' & $$$ to get him back in Law School after he failed out.

MOO
 
Hold on to your horses, y’all. People magazine just dropped some bombshells in their Aug 1 issue (I’m a subscriber so you get a sneak peek):

Bombshells!

Maggie had consulted a divorce attorney and was looking forward to “life without Alex.”

Her divorce lawyer “surely would discover [Alex’s] crimes while digging through the couple’s accounts. She knew Alex was a liar.”

She had moved to Edisto in February 2021.

Alex would not tell her what hospital his father was at and insisted she meet him first at Moselle.

“According to a law enforcement source who shared with people all the details from the investigators working theory of what happened that night, when Maggie arrived, Alex had one of his AR style rifles at the ready.”

Alex didn’t know Paul would be there, checking on a dog he was boarding for a friend.

As Paul took a video of the friend’s dog, he could hear a tense argument between his parents outside. Police found audio of the fighting captured in a video on Paul’s phone, which was discovered under his body.

Blood spatter matching Maggie’s DNA was found on Alex’s laundered shirt.

AM is a lot of things and one of those things is dumb. All the GPS apparently tracks him to Moselle and he (allegedly) behaves bizarrely about the hospital -- doesn't he think Maggie will tell her friends what was happening? No wonder LE basically said there was no danger to the public from Day 1. JMO.
 
Hold on to your horses, y’all. People magazine just dropped some bombshells in their Aug 1 issue (I’m a subscriber so you get a sneak peek):

Bombshells!

Maggie had consulted a divorce attorney and was looking forward to “life without Alex.”

Her divorce lawyer “surely would discover [Alex’s] crimes while digging through the couple’s accounts. She knew Alex was a liar.”

She had moved to Edisto in February 2021.

Alex would not tell her what hospital his father was at and insisted she meet him first at Moselle.

“According to a law enforcement source who shared with people all the details from the investigators working theory of what happened that night, when Maggie arrived, Alex had one of his AR style rifles at the ready.”

Alex didn’t know Paul would be there, checking on a dog he was boarding for a friend.

As Paul took a video of the friend’s dog, he could hear a tense argument between his parents outside. Police found audio of the fighting captured in a video on Paul’s phone, which was discovered under his body.

Blood spatter matching Maggie’s DNA was found on Alex’s laundered shirt.

@Betty P

BBM

“According to a law enforcement source who shared with people all the details from the investigators working theory of what happened that night, when Maggie arrived, Alex had one of his AR style rifles at the ready.”

Lots of leaks from LE in this case. So different than the R Murders. Remember we discussed the fact that there were absolutely no leaks by anyone involved in that case.

Raize

JMO
 
While I have empathy for BM for his terrible loss of mother and brother, I can't forget the jailhouse conversations with his Dad about them trying to get their 'contacts' & $$$ to get him back in Law School after he failed out.

MOO
I listened to those conversations and heard AM doing most of the ordering. I got the feeling that BM was lackluster at best and kind of going along to get along. I have the feeling that BM was just doing what he has did all his life. Letting dad handle it. I don't think AM allowed any of the family to do otherwise.

JMO
 
I wonder if PM rode with MM and then went to the kennels without AM seeing him? Maybe that is why MM's car was running and located in the spot it was in. I'd think if PM drove his own car, AM would had to have seen him.

JMO
I think Paul had parked up at the house and walked down to the kennels with the shotgun to check on his buddy’s dog.
I think he was inside the kennels when Alex and Maggie pulled in separately. He was videoing the dog for his buddy and inadvertently caught his parents’ argument in the background.
He came out to his mother’s rescue and fought with his father for control of the shotgun.
Just my theory based on what we know.
 
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