SC - Paul Murdaugh, 22 and mom Margaret, 52, found shot to death, Islandton, 7 June 2021 #2

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IMO, with respect to the Murdaugh double-homicide, there is a seemingly long list of people who might have the potential for motive given past events involving serious injury or death; however, it seems to me that the attempt at spoilage of evidence at PM's college apartment changes things.

That door was left standing open and a property manager reported it to police on July 8, a day after the bodies of PM and MM were discovered. Those who'd have motive and means to do that are a much smaller list as they'd have to: (1) know about PM's college apartment and where it was, (2) have means to gain access without raising alarms or suspicion when doing so, and (3) have reason to suspect there might be evidence there they wanted to spoil (by making custody indeterminable).

The fact that the apartment was not just accessed after PM's death (to remove evidence a person knows to be there), but it was accessed AND the door was left standing open (to spoil evidence a person thinks could possibly be there), IMO points to someone who is making sure their bases are covered to the extent they can. They are introducing "doubt" about any evidence that might be subsequently recovered there.

That seems a fairly intelligent and calculating thought process, so your average dummy wouldn't have developed that plan. It's a risky move, accessing a victim's apartment with a serious murder investigation underway, so involved someone comfortable with taking such a risk or in a position to use others to do so.

I suppose it is possible the double homicide by two separate weapons and the "spoilage of evidence by leaving door left open 2-1/2 hours away" were executed by entirely different parties. But, IMO it is highly improbable. So, while they will conduct their due diligence to legitimately and reasonably exclude some potentially motivated parties from suspicion, I fully expect that the apartment invasion will serve to help LE narrow the list of prospective suspects considerably and soon.
I promise you with things that have occurred around the area of USC and it being a college apartment building, there were plenty of cameras. The person who entered that apartment or left that door open is most certainly on camera.
 
IMO, with respect to the Murdaugh double-homicide, there is a seemingly long list of people who might have the potential for motive given past events involving serious injury or death; however, it seems to me that the attempt at spoilage of evidence at PM's college apartment changes things.

That door was left standing open and a property manager reported it to police on July 8, a day after the bodies of PM and MM were discovered. Those who'd have motive and means to do that are a much smaller list as they'd have to: (1) know about PM's college apartment and where it was, (2) have means to gain access without raising alarms or suspicion when doing so, and (3) have reason to suspect there might be evidence there they wanted to spoil (by making custody indeterminable).

The fact that the apartment was not just accessed after PM's death (to remove evidence a person knows to be there), but it was accessed AND the door was left standing open (to spoil evidence a person thinks could possibly be there), IMO points to someone who is making sure their bases are covered to the extent they can. They are introducing "doubt" about any evidence that might be subsequently recovered there.

That seems a fairly intelligent and calculating thought process, so your average dummy wouldn't have developed that plan. It's a risky move, accessing a victim's apartment with a serious murder investigation underway, so involved someone comfortable with taking such a risk or in a position to use others to do so.

I suppose it is possible the double homicide by two separate weapons and the "spoilage of evidence by leaving door left open 2-1/2 hours away" were executed by entirely different parties. But, IMO it is highly improbable. So, while they will conduct their due diligence to legitimately and reasonably exclude some potentially motivated parties from suspicion, I fully expect that the apartment invasion will serve to help LE narrow the list of prospective suspects considerably and soon.
I promise you with things that have occurred around the area of USC and it being a college apartment building, there were plenty of cameras. The person who entered that apartment or left that door open is most certainly on camera.
There was a court hearing before the murders, it was a mediation.

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June 4, 2021: Court ordered mediation in the wrongful death lawsuit fails, which appears to make the case bound for trial.

Murdaugh Murder Mystery: Timeline of events surrounding 4 Lowcountry deaths
I said this and everyone jumped on me about it - ha!! I knew there was a court hearing around the same time as the murders. That’s what the local news was saying. Thank you for posting this!!!
 
Murdaugh mystery deepens as murder cold case with ties to family reopens

Some new details in this article. This is a strange comment from a friend of MM. “dragged through the dark to the dog kennels to see the carnage.”

Dragged from where? The main house? Her car?

“She is the victim, having lost her son, being part of the slaughter at the farm, and [having] her world turned upside down,” one woman who claimed to know Maggie told The Post. “Have [people] ever thought of the terror she faced that night being dragged through the dark to the dog kennels to see the carnage?”

The woman said it is impossible to “understand Southern women” if you are from the North.

“The silent grieving will soon end and there will be an eruption like Mt. Vesuvius … mark my words,” she added.
What the heck was all that supposed to mean o_O
 
I promise you with things that have occurred around the area of USC and it being a college apartment building, there were plenty of cameras. The person who entered that apartment or left that door open is most certainly on camera.

I said this and everyone jumped on me about it - ha!! I knew there was a court hearing around the same time as the murders. That’s what the local news was saying. Thank you for posting this!!!


I as well was told not true, took awhile to find link.
 
This could be a close friend who has been confided in by family members. It could be an acquaintance from the Yacht Club who knows nothing.

But lacking any other news, I’ve tried to imagine a scenario where this woman’s words make sense. I can see the two weapons fitting into this. One killer holds PM at gunpoint and the other goes up to the house and forces MM at gunpoint down to the kennels…using a second and different gun.

I wonder about PM’s life in Columbia. The family mentions the boys “many friends’ in both obituaries.

‘ She (Maggie) will be remembered as a "second mom" to her sons' many friends.’

“Paul never met a stranger, and had an abundance of friends.’

Was PM in a fraternity? Or did he have a lot of friends in the community at large? Does the family know his ‘friends’ from Columbia? Did he have some friends that he didn’t introduce because they wouldn’t approve? What was his life like there?

This may have started in Columbia in that apartment over issues that Paul was involved in…right there…not related at all to his issues at home.

If it’s about money, PM might have had to go home…to ask his family to help.
 
This could be a close friend who has been confided in by family members. It could be an acquaintance from the Yacht Club who knows nothing.

But lacking any other news, I’ve tried to imagine a scenario where this woman’s words make sense. I can see the two weapons fitting into this. One killer holds PM at gunpoint and the other goes up to the house and forces MM at gunpoint down to the kennels…using a second and different gun.

I wonder about PM’s life in Columbia. The family mentions the boys “many friends’ in both obituaries.

‘ She (Maggie) will be remembered as a "second mom" to her sons' many friends.’

“Paul never met a stranger, and had an abundance of friends.’

Was PM in a fraternity? Or did he have a lot of friends in the community at large? Does the family know his ‘friends’ from Columbia? Did he have some friends that he didn’t introduce because they wouldn’t approve? What was his life like there?

This may have started in Columbia in that apartment over issues that Paul was involved in…right there…not related at all to his issues at home.

If it’s about money, PM might have had to go home…to ask his family to help.

Of course an obituary is going to say PM had many friends. And quite possibly he did and those friends gave him the benefit of the doubt on the boating accident and when he was drinking. But as with Facebook "friends", most of those turn out to be acquaintances and perhaps some parasites who knew PM had cash.

Certainly we can speculate about PM's life in Columbia ... perhaps he had a major gambling issue, or was a drug dealer, or even ran an escort service for students at the school. All speculation ... but the fact remains he was the responsible party whose actions and irresponsible behavior caused the death of the a young woman in a boating accident.
 
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These murders just scream PERSONAL to me. And IF the account is true about MM being dragged to see PM that also screams many years to become that personal.

I was originally leaning towards murder for hire but less so now. Its still possible but whoever committed these murders wanted MM to know why.

Like I said early on there is a plethora of suspects through the years who have a deep rooted grudge against the Murdaugh's.

MOO
 
Of course an obituary is going to say PM had many friends. And quite possibly he did and those friends gave him the benefit of the doubt on the boating accident and when he was drinking. But as with Facebook "friends", most of those turn out to be acquaintances and perhaps some parasites who knew PM had cash.

Certainly we can speculate about PM's life in Columbia ... perhaps he had a major gambling issue, or was a drug dealer, or even ran an escort service for students at the school. All speculation ... but the fact remains he was the responsible party whose actions and irresponsible behavior caused the death of the a young woman in a boating accident.


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Fact?


No one deposed could say for sure that Paul Murdaugh hit that throttle. But each believed, under oath, that he was responsible for the sudden acceleration of the boat.

“Do you know who did it?” an attorney asked.

“I couldn’t tell you that for 100 percent sure, but I imagine it was Paul,” said Cook. “I mean, he was the one behind the steering wheel when it happened.”


Depositions shed new light on the death of Lowcountry teen | WSAV-TV
 
I’m really curious about this comment from the family friend. Did these murders begin with a confrontation at the kennel between PM and the killers?

Could they have picked him up at his apartment and forced him to come back to the lodge, looking for something or demanding money? Or just to see him punished?

And then forced MM out of the main house…in the dark…down to the kennels to watch her son executed?

And here’s a far out crazy thought? Did they force him to produce that new piece of evidence, kill him and his Mother and then leave that evidence there to be found by LE …so the case would be opened?

Just my wild imagination at work.
This was one of the more horrible scenarios that occurred to me right out of the gate, too but I didn't want to speculate it. The killers might have waited for the family to be at the lodge where the sound of gunfire accompanied by barking dogs isn't unusual. The "multiple gunshot wounds" could have been torture to extract detailed confessions from Paul for all his sins, and who his accessories were and it may turn out that the whole thing was recorded by the perpetrators. This is obviously speculation and the bodies being found outside with no mention of a second crime scene works against that sort of a prolonged interaction. It would make more sense to do that inside the kennel than outside it, for example.

I think the unnamed friend of Maggie's talking about her being "dragged from the house to witness the carnage" is engaged in speculation.
 
Probably nothing - how would this friend know this ? Even if this is true, I'm sure LE told AM to keep the details of the murders
quiet so sounds like a statement made by an angry and hurt friend.
BBM
Person claiming to be a friend at that. To the New York Post no less. It’s an interesting statement but until there’s some confirmation I’m taking it w/a shaker of salt.

JMO
 
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Fact?


No one deposed could say for sure that Paul Murdaugh hit that throttle. But each believed, under oath, that he was responsible for the sudden acceleration of the boat.

“Do you know who did it?” an attorney asked.

“I couldn’t tell you that for 100 percent sure, but I imagine it was Paul,” said Cook. “I mean, he was the one behind the steering wheel when it happened.”


Depositions shed new light on the death of Lowcountry teen | WSAV-TV

Who insisted that all of them take the boat down to Beaufort so he could go drinking ? Who said as reported in multiple depositions that he was the only one to drive the boat because he knew the river so well ? Any jury with any sense would convict Paul.

JMO
 
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Fact?


No one deposed could say for sure that Paul Murdaugh hit that throttle. But each believed, under oath, that he was responsible for the sudden acceleration of the boat.

“Do you know who did it?” an attorney asked.

“I couldn’t tell you that for 100 percent sure, but I imagine it was Paul,” said Cook. “I mean, he was the one behind the steering wheel when it happened.”


Depositions shed new light on the death of Lowcountry teen | WSAV-TV
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Who insisted that all of them take the boat down to Beaufort so he could go drinking ? Who said as reported in multiple depositions that he was the only one to drive the boat because he knew the river so well ? Any jury with any sense would convict Paul.

JMO

The depositions however point out so much WRONG that night. Starting with the adult party hosts serving liquor to those kids once they appeared inebriated. Second, why did the adults not insist on an Uber, why did all of them follow a 19 yr old’s orders like sheep?

Why did all the kids get back in the boat with a drunken driver…because they were drunk too?

Once at the bar…couldn’t they call their parents to pick them up, or just call an Uber? Their drunken driver is consuming even MORE alcohol! We always told our kids, CALL! We will get you.

Where is personal responsibility in this mess?

And I could not find…although it may exist…anyone who could say PM’s hands were on the wheel when it lurched. They had been driving in circles…arguing, going nowhere. Apparently, none of them were expected home at any time…/could stay out all night.

Those depositions left me disgusted with a lot more than PM…including a local culture where a 19 yr old could overrule adults in the matter of a safety issue. Not just HIS safety, their kids safety…but others who might have been on the river that night!

There should be a lot of guilt to go around IMO.
 
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I’ve been on a boat or two, i am very well aware of where the throttle is and how easy it is for someone to stand behind the driver and push/pull the throttle, seen it happen.
 
I’ve been on a boat or two, i am very well aware of where the throttle is and how easy it is for someone to stand behind the driver and push/pull the throttle, seen it happen.

I've been around stupid drunks and boats a time or two as well and I'll go with PM pushing the throttle after stripping off his clothes in 40 degree weather and slapping/spitting on his GF.
 
The depositions however point out so much WRONG that night. Starting with the adult party hosts serving liquor to those kids once they appeared inebriated. Second, why did the adults not insist on an Uber, why did all of them follow a 19 yr old’s orders like sheep?

Why did all the kids get back in the boat with a drunken driver…because they were drunk too?

Once at the bar…couldn’t they call their parents to pick them up, or just call an Uber? Their drunken driver is consuming even MORE alcohol! We always told our kids, CALL! We will get you.

Where is personal responsibility in this mess?

And I could not find…although it may exist…anyone who could say PM’s hands were on the wheel when it lurched. They had been driving in circles…arguing, going nowhere. Apparently, none of them were expected home at any time…/could stay out all night.

Those depositions left me disgusted with a lot more than PM…including a local culture where a 19 yr old could overrule adults in the matter of a safety issue. Not just HIS safety, their kids safety…but others who might have been on the river that night!

There should be a lot of guilt to go around IMO.


Thanks.
 
The depositions however point out so much WRONG that night. Starting with the adult party hosts serving liquor to those kids once they appeared inebriated. Second, why did the adults not insist on an Uber, why did all of them follow a 19 yr old’s orders like sheep?

Why did all the kids get back in the boat with a drunken driver…because they were drunk too?

Once at the bar…couldn’t they call their parents to pick them up, or just call an Uber? Their drunken driver is consuming even MORE alcohol! We always told our kids, CALL! We will get you.

Where is personal responsibility in this mess?

And I could not find…although it may exist…anyone who could say PM’s hands were on the wheel when it lurched. They had been driving in circles…arguing, going nowhere. Apparently, none of them were expected home at any time…/could stay out all night.

Those depositions left me disgusted with a lot more than PM…including a local culture where a 19 yr old could overrule adults in the matter of a safety issue. Not just HIS safety, their kids safety…but others who might have been on the river that night!

There should be a lot of guilt to go around IMO.
Yeah, why ever punish anyone when ultimately everything is society's fault
 
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