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otto said:
How many steps did Alex take between arriving at 10:06 and connecting with 911 at 10:07. Page 61 of recent doc release attached below. He was walking all over the place while on the phone with 911? It sounds like he was checking the scene while sobbing about his wife and child. I don't think 20 seconds is long enough to do everything that Alex claims he did - fooling around with Paul's body and then checking, tossing his phone.

I suppose the closing arguments will point out that there were three people at Moselle that night according to an in-depth digital investigation. Three people, two are dead, one has no alibi and is confirmed to be at the scene at the time of the murders.

Dead at 8:45-8:53, three people and no one else at the scene at the time.
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That specific subset of time (one minute) was not recorded/isolated in his phone "steps" data. Here is the info in the timeline:

9:56:57 PM – 10:06:57 PM – Alex Murdaugh’ s iPhone shows 231 steps traveled

10:06:14 PM - 911 Call – Alex Murdaugh (637 Seconds)

10:06:57 PM – 10:16:37 PM – Alex Murdaugh’s iPhone shows 594 steps taken
 
Snoopster said:
I've been taking a close look at the official timeline, with a focus on 2 areas that the defense will try to argue, specifically time to commit the murder and timing around finding the bodies and calling 911.

I believe that AM had time to commit the murders before leaving for Almeda and I believe that his description of coming across that bodies and calling 911 is not believable.
Let me know if you see any flaws in my thinking below.

Timing:

  • 19 seconds to arrive at scene and then call 911 per OnStar: Defense has said that 20 seconds is a long time…plenty of time. My fastest estimate is 30 seconds - see below - and that doesn't include actually taking a pulse, just looking for where to take a pulse.
    • park and get out of car - 2 sec
    • run to PM, glancing over at MM - 6 sec
    • check PM (take in scene and consider taking pulse; try to turn him over; try to take pulse; phone pops out; pick up phone and try to 'do something' with it; put phone back down on Paul; take one last look) - 9 sec
    • Run over to MM - 4 sec
    • Check MM (take in immediate scene; check for pulse) 7 sec
    • Get phone out and dial 911 - 2 sec (presuming not left in car)
    • Total fastest time: 30 seconds
    • My Conclusion: AM could not have stumbled across the bodies and do everything he said he did before calling 911. It implies that he saw the dead bodies prior to this, because he had killed them.


  1. In contrast to the "20 seconds is a long time" opinion by defense, defense says time for AM to have committed the murders and departing for Almeda was too short a time. My presumed available time is 15 minutes(i.e. between 9:51 and 9:06). My quickest estimate for shooting/cleaning up/leaving is:
    • Shoot Paul twice, including waiting for him to stumble forward (10 sec)
    • Pick up 2nd weapon and chase MM (10 seconds)
    • Shoot MM 5 times in fairly quick succession, allowing for MM to stumble (10 seconds)
    • Put weapons down; walk to hose; quick rinse off of legs, feet, hands, arms; hang hose up (60 seconds)
    • Wrap up guns in raincoat; put shoes, shirt, pants in cooler; put things in vehicle (ATV? Golf cart?) ( 60 seconds)
    • Fiddle with Maggie's phone (30 seconds)
    • Drive to house (ATV/cart) and transfer raincoat/cooler to SUV (60 seconds)
    • Go in house and do quick shower. Put on t-shirt/shorts. (4 min.)
    • Phone Maggie. (18 sec) - walking downstairs
    • Call Randy (18 sec) - walking outside
    • Go to SUV and start up. (15 sec)
    • Total quickest time: 9 minutes
    • My Conclusion: AM had enough time to clean up and head to Almeda
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This scenario is precisely how Murdaugh would hope it'd go. There are no flaws there.

IMHO: In order to gain more time, however, AM does not need go to PM because he checked him, or maye PM's phone, before leaving the CS for his visit with his mom. imho

Alex knows his son's brains were ejected from his skull due to his well-aimed gunshot blast.

He watched as his firearm carefully shot Maggie who was, unlike Paul, a moving target. He shot her several painful times: in the thigh and up thru her waist, one shot from the Assault Rifle shattered bones in her wrist, and one terrifying shot missed. These quiet shots of an AR are so fast you can't see the bullet flying out of the chamber but the victim feels the result. Alex, with purpose and intent, pulled the trigger so the bullets would explode in her brains. Twice.

He knew they were both dead before he left Moselle at 09:07:06 PM.

He was clean by 10pm and how long did it take for police to arrive?
 
DeDee said:
This scenario is precisely how Murdaugh would hope it'd go. There are no flaws there.

IMHO: In order to gain more time, however, AM does not need go to PM because he checked him, or maye PM's phone, before leaving the CS for his visit with his mom. imho

Alex knows his son's brains were ejected from his skull due to his well-aimed gunshot blast.

He watched as his firearm carefully shot Maggie who was, unlike Paul, a moving target. He shot her several painful times: in the thigh and up thru her waist, one shot from the Assault Rifle shattered bones in her wrist, and one terrifying shot missed. These quiet shots of an AR are so fast you can't see the bullet flying out of the chamber but the victim feels the result. Alex, with purpose and intent, pulled the trigger so the bullets would explode in her brains. Twice.

He knew they were both dead before he left Moselle at 09:07:06 PM.

He was clean by 10pm and how long did it take for police to arrive?
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Excellent post!!
 
Knox said:
Wow, that is interesting! But I'm thinking the JW's ( or maybe just CW) could be trying a new method of "witnessing", rather than going door to door. Easy enough to copy and paste into a text and send to random phone numbers. Just a thought.
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It's also from the American Standard Bible.

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clearskies1 said:
That specific subset of time (one minute) was not recorded/isolated in his phone "steps" data. Here is the info in the timeline:

9:56:57 PM – 10:06:57 PM – Alex Murdaugh’ s iPhone shows 231 steps traveled

10:06:14 PM - 911 Call – Alex Murdaugh (637 Seconds)

10:06:57 PM – 10:16:37 PM – Alex Murdaugh’s iPhone shows 594 steps taken
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Alex was moving all over the place during the 911 calls. He was squeezing sobs about his wife and child while pacing 594 steps in the dark field? I don't think so. A normal person would stay with the bodies, which were in sight of each other. What was he doing with all that activity during the 911 call before police arrived?

Alex had 20 seconds between seeing the bodies and phoning 911. He arrived after visiting his ailing mother, whose life long companion was transported to hospital with pneumonia (dying). His father died two days later. The speed at which Alex switched from losing his parents to dead bodies at the kennels and dialling 911 is stunningly sharp witted for someone who suffered sudden trauma. It's as though he thought about it so long that he forgot to include the shock moment in his timeline.
 
otto said:
Alex was moving all over the place during the 911 calls. He was squeezing sobs about his wife and child while pacing 594 steps in the dark field? I don't think so. A normal person would stay with the bodies, which were in sight of each other. What was he doing with all that activity during the 911 call before police arrived?

Alex had 20 seconds between seeing the bodies and phoning 911. He arrived after visiting his ailing mother, whose life long companion was transported to hospital with pneumonia (dying). His father died two days later. The speed at which Alex switched from losing his parents to dead bodies at the kennels and dialling 911 is stunningly sharp witted for someone who suffered sudden trauma. It's as though he thought about it so long that he forgot to include the shock moment in his timeline.
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Something else that bothers me is:

How he parked....we saw it in that video clip when LE showed up.

Seeing where MM was, he would have had to walk past her to get to PM.

Doesn't it stand to reason from a human standpoint that he would go to the person he was closest to when he got out of the truck?? I would think that would be just natural.

Yet, he walks right past her to get to Paul because he wanted to "get to his phone."
smh
 
otto said:
Still thinking about Paul. Witness testimony is that the shots were fired from a 135 degree angle from Azimuth. Were the shots from his left (I'm doubting my memory, can anyone confirm?) - as though the shooter was first standing at the entrance to the shed shooting Paul in the shed, then the shooter moved to the right of the shed door, moving closer to Maggie, and, when Paul came out of the shed, Alex shot him again. Paul's brain fell on the ground next to his body, which dropped into the gravel. Maggie might have heard the first shot and Alex might call her, as though wanting to protect her. Regardless, she would have come running - since no one but loving family were there. It seems like she was maybe still near the bird pen when she heard the first shot. Maggie was alive when Alex picked up a different rifle and pursued her.

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The first shot was on Paul's other side from your pic (second shot correctly shown), the shooter (AM) had to have had the gun just inside the doorway for the first shot (hitting the left side of Paul's chest and traveling to his left arm), as a shot shell was found inside the feed room. The second shot (according to testimony) the gun only had to have been near the door opening as the AR style rifle ejects to the right, sending the second shot shell also into the room.
 
geevee said:
The first shot was on Paul's other side from your pic (second shot correctly shown), the shooter (AM) had to have had the gun just inside the doorway for the first shot (hitting the left side of Paul's chest and traveling to his left arm), as a shot shell was found inside the feed room. The second shot (according to testimony) the gun only had to have been near the door opening as the AR style rifle ejects to the right, sending the second shot shell also into the room.
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Sounds like he was hiding around the corner. Not wanting Paul to see him.
 
Warwick7 said:
Something else that bothers me is:

How he parked....we saw it in that video clip when LE showed up.

Seeing where MM was, he would have had to walk past her to get to PM.

Doesn't it stand to reason from a human standpoint that he would go to the person he was closest to when he got out of the truck?? I would think that would be just natural.

Yet, he walks right past her to get to Paul because he wanted to "get to his phone."
smh
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From a human stand point, I would have high tailed it out of there and been scared to death. Called 911 and not gone back until the Police were with me! There’s a killer on the loose!
 
Warwick7 said:
Something else that bothers me is:

How he parked....we saw it in that video clip when LE showed up.

Seeing where MM was, he would have had to walk past her to get to PM.

Doesn't it stand to reason from a human standpoint that he would go to the person he was closest to when he got out of the truck?? I would think that would be just natural.

Yet, he walks right past her to get to Paul because he wanted to "get to his phone."
smh
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If Paul was shot from his left coming out of the shed, then Alex was between Maggie and Paul for the second shot; moving closer to Maggie with an assault rifle that he presumably had nearby ... moving in the same direction as where his vehicle was parked when he discovered the murders.

If he said that he went to Paul first at the crime scene, that's not logical. He would have seen Maggie first, and he should have attended to his wife first. It's as though his statement is that he went to his first victim first in order of shooting, not discovery, even though he did neither in 20 seconds.

Fooling around with Paul's body has something to do with Paul's phone. Perhaps Alex was checking whether Paul had a recent video and couldn't figure it out; couldn't find it fast enough. The video wasn't sent, but Alex wasn't able to delete it. It's the 8:44 PM video that cracks the case putting three people at the scene and 5 minutes later two are silent forever while the third is not forthcoming.
 
Quick question…..did anyone ever go back to the spot where Alex and Paul did target shooting (supposedly at a bottle)? Just wondering if that was legit, seeing as though that was when he would have gotten gun powder residue on him?
 
otto said:
Alex was moving all over the place during the 911 calls. He was squeezing sobs about his wife and child while pacing 594 steps in the dark field? I don't think so. A normal person would stay with the bodies, which were in sight of each other. What was he doing with all that activity during the 911 call before police arrived?

Alex had 20 seconds between seeing the bodies and phoning 911. He arrived after visiting his ailing mother, whose life long companion was transported to hospital with pneumonia (dying). His father died two days later. The speed at which Alex switched from losing his parents to dead bodies at the kennels and dialling 911 is stunningly sharp witted for someone who suffered sudden trauma. It's as though he thought about it so long that he forgot to include the shock moment in his timeline.
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He said he was going to the house to get a gun during the 911 call. OnStar shows him driving to the house and back, but yes, seems like a lot of steps. JMO.
 
Cindizzi said:
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Owens saw the cooler there Monday night/Tuesday morning.

He doesn’t recall if he ever saw it again.

Imo, if it was there the murder night/am, it’s unlikely Alex used it to transport evidence to Almeda and returned it to the murder scene. It would have at least trace evidence in or on it.
 
geevee said:
The first shot was on Paul's other side from your pic (second shot correctly shown), the shooter (AM) had to have had the gun just inside the doorway for the first shot (hitting the left side of Paul's chest and traveling to his left arm), as a shot shell was found inside the feed room. The second shot (according to testimony) the gun only had to have been near the door opening as the AR style rifle ejects to the right, sending the second shot shell also into the room.
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