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Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats said:
Not a murder suicide, Paul was shot twice. How does that happen with a suicide
Buster was three hours away in another city
Lots of good articles that will catch you up on the specifics of the case:)
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Someone has likely already stated….. but IF a suicide component to this (and I am not contending that it is)…. then where is one or both of the weapons?

Sorry but that argument fails. I agree with you. IMO.
 
ADMIN NOTE:

STOP the ridicule and crass comments about any officers of the court .. which just so happens to include the defence.

Also note that Randy is not a POI, not on trial, and not up for insinuations, accusations, or sleuthing.
 
Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats said:
The defense has not disputed the time of death
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Nor have they disputed that AM was in proximity to the deceased persons just minutes before they died.

That's the big thing that happened in this trial. AM has had at least THREE alibis, two of which were webs of lies, and now he still lies on the stand (about the light bar and, IMO, about not remembering what he "would have been doing" from 8:45-9:30ish (whenever it was he showed up at his mom's house).

AM even said that there was no water on the kennel floor when he was there earlier (so...is he trying to get us to think the Oompa Loompas are also clean freaks? Why would the shooter(s) clean the kennel?)

It appears the water was put on the floor after the bodies were there, furthermore. So MM and PM didn't wash the kennel.

IMO
 
passionflower said:
I would love to think the Murdaugh cfamily would be done with power but I think it will still have influence. They believe their lies etc. stick together and do what they want. Raised to be superior to others.
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I live here in the Low Country and the family's time of power and influence is over. They've burned waaay too many bridges. Alex has brought shame on the community and his family has been caught up in too many mysterious deaths in one way, shape or form. Robbing from cancer patients, mentally challenged people, disabled people and hurt cops will stick in people's minds. He also threw the State's law enforcement agencies under the bus. All of these will not be forgotten for decades. When people start using your name as a verb (ex. They got Murdaughed) you know people hate your guts!
 

Court is back in session.

The jury is coming back now. I guess we're not going to deal with the mystery email quite yet.

The state calls its 6th reply witness, Orangeburg County Sheriff's Deputy Kenneth Kinsey, a crime scene expert who testified Feb. 16.

He is being questioned by none other than S.C. Attorney General Alan Wilson. This is Wilson's first witness or speaking appearance of the trial.

Kinsey is apparently here to counter the testimony given by defense bullet trajectory analyst Mike Sutton. Last week, Sutton testified Maggie’s shooter was 5-foot-2 to 5-foot-4 feet tall, a foot shorter than Alex Murdaugh.

Kinsey on Sutton: “I think his intentions were well, but I think his methods were flawed.”

Kinsey thinks Sutton erred in extrapolating the bullet trajectories as far as he died and with such certainty. He says that analysis assumes the bullet traveled perfectly straight, with no ricochets or wobbling.

Kinsey: The inside of a gun causes the bullet to spin as it leaves, keeping it straight. Like how a quarterback spins a football when they release it to keep it going straight in a spiral. But not all guns put such perfect spin on their bullets, he says.

Kinsey: Sutton’s testimony assumes variables you can’t assume. “You’d have to consider this to be a static crime scene. Very little movement.”

Kinsey: We can't test fire the .300 Blackout used to kill Maggie. So we don't know how it spits out shell casings. So we can't use shell casings to guess where the shooter was standing.

Kinsey testifies that a 6-foot-4 person could “absolutely” have shot Maggie at the angles Murdaugh’s defense team projected, either by dropping to one knee or by shooting from farther back. Kinsey says even a 7-foot-4 shooter could have made that angle.

Wilson asks Kinsey what is wrong with the defense’s pellet trajectory analysis on the first shot at Paul in the feed room. The defense’s expert ran a line between a bullet hole in the window and a pellet found in a pine tree behind the feed room.

Kinsey kind of laughs as he composes himself. He says shotgun pellets expand and spray outward, so you can’t draw a line like that backward to determine exactly where the gun was held.

Wilson and Kinsey agree that the defense’s witness was far too sure of his conclusions that AM couldn’t have been the shooter when we don’t know a lot of the variables at the crime scene, such as whether/how the shooter/victims were moving.

Wilson: “Could the shooter have been on their knees?” “Could have been.” Wilson: “But there’s no way to know for sure, is that correct?” Kinsey: That’s correct.

Kinsey testifies he has seen the aftermath of about three dozen contact shotgun wounds to the head, including about 24 suicides and a dozen execution-style killings. He also watched a man kill himself with a shotgun. These shots blow off the victims' heads and shred their face.

He says Paul’s head is not consistent with a contact wound to the head because his face was left intact.

Wilson is now aiming a shotgun as he and Kinsey re-enact Paul’s shooting. The first photo is the first shot. The second photo is them re-enacting what Kinsey describes as the defense’s “preposterous” theory of Paul being shot execution-style as he stumbled forward

https://twitter.com/x/status/1630663746136711183

That was a pretty effective presentation, I must say. The feed room doorframe in particular would have had to be very crowded. Kinsey testifies there is no way blood, brains and shotgun pellets could have blown back 180 degrees and hit the top of the feed room walls/ceiling.

Wilson: John Marvin Murdaugh testified yesterday. He said he came upon the crime scene after it had been processed, and there was blood and gore still everywhere. Kinsey testifies that it’s not law enforcement’s responsibility to clean up crime scenes.

Kinsey: Typically, outside companies hired by victims' advocate organizations handle that clean-up. It's not a screwup by law enforcement.

Kinsey: “I see nothing that could exclude a 6-foot-4 shooter.” Wilson: In your expert opinion, can you exclude two shooters? Kinsey: “I cannot include or exclude two shooters.” Wilson: Can the defense say there were two shooters definitely? Kinsey: “Absolutely not.”

Wilson concludes his questioning of Kinsey. Defense attorney Jim Griffin is up for cross-examination.
 
passionflower said:
And I believe AM saw MM as one also
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Absolutely, in my mind AM found PM to be an embarrassment to the Murdaugh name, and was affecting the family financially. He was fed up with all of PM’s bad behavior, and the boat crash was the last straw … life would be better off without him. I think AM saw MM as a liability also, she had become aware of the financial situation, was living at the beach house at Edisto most of the time, and I think their marriage was very shaky. AM was fed up with both PM and MM … I Believe the family dynamics, not only this generation, but earlier ones in the Murdaugh Dynasty, swept a lot under the rug to keep up appearances. Everything was coming crashing down around AM and I think AM’s rage had come to a head. This case is just the icing on the cake to a long history of a family who was corrupt, yet portrayed themselves as pillars of society. Understanding the psychology of dysfunctional families like this helps to see how it’s possible for AM to kill his wife and son.
 
You know what I am wondering. WHY didn't any one of those that were rushing to the scene that night demand that things be done by the book. These were lawyers and Murdaughs.. with all these LE friends and connections. Why was Alex not demanding they find out who did this. If he's too distraught, then why isn't his brother Randy, his law partners, his brother John Marvin, the sheriff buddy that was following John Marvin. Why did not one of them question why the house wasn't taped off? Why is nobody questioning anything and demanding they go above and beyond to get all evidence to get this solved? They all know how things need to go and yet nobody seems concerned about that?

I know why Alex wasn't.. but Randy, John Marvin, Law partners? Interesting that those on the scene that did know who this family was didn't get paranoid and want to do it textbook perfect because of who this family was.
 
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