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Oh... almost forgot. Someone many many posts back was asking about his website and the 'about us' section that mentioned not feeding the web developers for 3 days, they were also questioning if he may have actually done this and that they may have been a victim.

This would be highly unlikely as websites take a lot of work to keep up to date and manage and so would require someone right up till the site went down.

There is still a way to view the site, I'm just not sure if I'm able to post it here as the site has technically been taken down. the site also has the names of all his employees on it. The way you can view it is legal and quite easy once you know the trick, it is used all the time to view past versions of sites...Can someone let me know the rules about this?

He actually had 2 websites that I can find.

tkarealestate.com
toddkohlhepp.com


Also the many many you tube videos are also not likely sinister (or boastful as also suggested). To get your website to show on google in a high position, you need to have good content. It is a well known trick to use videos as content as they hold the audience for a period of time and google see this as a plus and ranks your site higher for it. He was most likely told by an SEO specialist to create this content to get good google rankings.
 
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MrsRicho said:
Oh... almost forgot. Someone many many posts back was asking about his website and the 'about us' section that mentioned not feeding the web developers for 3 days, they were also questioning if he may have actually done this and that they may have been a victim.

This would be highly unlikely as websites take a lot of work to keep up to date and manage and so would require someone right up till the site went down.

There is still a way to view the site, I'm just not sure if I'm able to post it here as the site has technically been taken down. the site also has the names of all his employees on it. The way you can view it is legal and quite easy once you know the trick, it is used all the time to view past versions of sites...Can someone let me know the rules about this?

He actually had 2 websites that I can find.

tkarealestate.com
toddkohlhepp.com


Also the many many you tube videos are also not likely sinister (or boastful as also suggested). To get your website to show on google in a high position, you need to have good content. It is a well known trick to use videos as content as they hold the audience for a period of time and google see this as a plus and ranks your site higher for it. He was most likely told by an SEO specialist to create this content to get good google rankings.
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Yes, I did this too and haven't posted about it, just in case.

One weird thing I noticed is that none of the employees are connected to each other on FB. I wondered if it was more of an agency for independent realtors to come under a company name, rather than colleagues that worked with each other frequently.

I don't add this to bring any of the employees into sleuthville as I know that's against the TOS, I mention it with regards to what kind of employer TK was. I wonder if he was just a name over a bunch of fairly independent realtors and not a typical, office every day employer.

Perhaps this is how he managed to be successful in business but fly under the radar in terms of personal relationships with people. Maybe there wasn't much interaction on a daily basis and therefore nothing weird about him or his potentially odd routines (visiting his property twice a day) flagged with anyone...?
 
MrsRicho said:
I was thinking along the same lines....

I think it is more likely that he got out of jail and was rehabilitated to the point that he thought he was 'fixed' and could live a 'normal' life. Lied to get the realtors licence knowing that there was no way he could get one with them knowing about his past.

Then worked his *advertiser censored* off getting more and more full of himself as he became more successful. Somewhere during this time he gets the 'feelings' back and comes up with a plan to kill someone.He is so full of himself from his success he feels like he could do anything. I dont think he planned the superbike murders but I do think murder was on his mind and something in that store or an interaction with a one of the murdered people tipped him over the edge and he took the opportunity.

I dont think this murder put out the fire but may have actually spooked him that he could have been caught so easily and that he could lose it all. Probably kicking himself for being so impulsive and he vowed to never do that again or at least plan it better.

11 years is a long time but years fly by, we have no idea if he liked this part of himself or not and may have pushed those feeling aside after the superbike murders telling himself he could't do it again.

His business grows more successful, you dont have 14 agents working for you if you arent successful and you dont become that successful (without one yelp / zillow / general complaint) without hard work. I think he became so successful that he could pick and choose the work he did.

I think that's when he decided to purchase land and hatched a plan to capture and kill. Probably saw land come through his business that he fantasied about owning and using and then decided that the time was right. Less time at work meant he could spend more time on his property. This time alone gave him the time for his mind to spiral and put his plans in motion.

He got away with the first couple, that built his confidence and then he tried again with KB / CC, this time keeping KB captive. It is possible there were others but I would think these will all be within the time he had his property and at most a few 'test' murder or assaults while he worked out what worked for him.

I think (fingers crossed) that it might be likely that he wasn't as smart as he thought he was and was caught at the beginning of his killing spree. We may hear about others he was in contact with setting them up for future plans.

A few other notes...
Money wise - I dont think he stole anything to build his business. He may have had a family loan, or saved from other jobs. Money leaves a trail and rich people who go missing would have their finances checked (other than 'rich' drug dealers I guess) so it would be difficult to steal a lot of money form a lot of people to live, flaunt and build a business with without it coming to the attention of someone.

This is all my own opinion obviously :) first time post too!
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LozDa said:
Yes, I did this too and haven't posted about it, just in case.

One weird thing I noticed is that none of the employees are connected to each other on FB. I wondered if it was more of an agency for independent realtors to come under a company name, rather than colleagues that worked with each other frequently.

I don't add this to bring any of the employees into sleuthville as I know that's against the TOS, I mention it with regards to what kind of employer TK was. I wonder if he was just a name over a bunch of fairly independent realtors and not a typical, office every day employer.

Perhaps this is how he managed to be successful in business but fly under the radar in terms of personal relationships with people. Maybe there wasn't much interaction on a daily basis and therefore nothing weird about him or his potentially odd routines (visiting his property twice a day) flagged with anyone...?
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I haven't had time to check Facebook I noticed that all but two of the agents have gmail, hotmail or aol type emails including TK. This seems weird to me, not very professional and clearly not part of one company.

I'm in Australia so maybe it's different but I can't think of any reason a company would have staff using hotmail / gmail. I agree, Makes me think he wasn't an employer at all but maybe offered a place for smaller independent agents to advertise and leverage his quite good website rankings. He may have charged a fee to be part of the group rather than paying them.






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Gardener1850 said:
I wonder how long he owned the shipping container that was on his land? Could he have purchased it years before and used it for storage while it was parked elsewhere, like a rented lot? I'm not sure about SC, but I know people who live in other rural areas of Southern states where there are a lot of mobile homes on rented land. It would not be hard to find a lot to rent from someone to park the storage container on. He could have even made a deal to pay cash for the use of someone else's land so there would be no record.
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That's a really good point. He could have stored it on land that he knew that was remote and for sale. Something that had sat around for years with no buyer, so he knew someone wouldn't be around. He would know how to get a lot of info on properties.
 
raja said:
Thank you so much Gardener for the timeline and it almost reads like a book.
Today my opinion is, subject to change tomorrow, is TK put an online outline of exactly what he was doing at the Woodruff land. I think he murdered 4 people at the Superbike shop and did not kill again until he had his land and set up his Hotel California in his green container. I think there were multiple cages in the trailer and he kept more than one victim alive sometimes. He brags that he has 9 lives and unless he killed someone after that post that KB never saw she told LE that there could be 4 more bodies on the property. She knew for a fact that he killed CC, he bragged about the 4 murders at the Superbike shop. There would have to be 4 more bodies to make 9 supporting TK’s post about 9 lines. Someone is buried at the “beach with her friend” and someone was buried with her probation violator boyfriend. Which makes me wonder did TK put bail money up for JC. Is this when MC learned about a job?
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One thing I'm stuck on is that it wouldn't make sense for him to give up all his victims just to give his picture to his Mom and money to some kid, etc. I think he wants to hide some victims so he can use them as bargaining chips later on. So this could be additional bodies on the property, or earlier murders... I mean, he doesn't care about the victims, he will use them to continue to get what he wants. He could also have multiple social media accounts under aliases. JMO.

Are there many serial killers who use aliases?
 
It would not make sense to give up all his victims up at once if you are using them to bargain with. I think he only admitted to 6 or 7 if you count CC however he was not confessing to CC’s death in the beginning. I think that MC may have still been alive when KB was abducted. KB saw her alive and knew she was dead somewhere on the property. That is why TK had to confess and show them where the bodies of MC and JC were buried. MC was able to tell KB about the other 2 deaths because she probably had seen one or two of the other people alive and murdered on the property making the 9 lives. Also regarding the 9 lives that could apply to the number on the Woodruff property. I would not dismiss that there are others in other places.
 
raja said:
Thank you so much Gardener for the timeline and it almost reads like a book.
Today my opinion is, subject to change tomorrow, is TK put an online outline of exactly what he was doing at the Woodruff land. I think he murdered 4 people at the Superbike shop and did not kill again until he had his land and set up his Hotel California in his green container. I think there were multiple cages in the trailer and he kept more than one victim alive sometimes. He brags that he has 9 lives and unless he killed someone after that post that KB never saw she told LE that there could be 4 more bodies on the property. She knew for a fact that he killed CC, he bragged about the 4 murders at the Superbike shop. There would have to be 4 more bodies to make 9 supporting TK’s post about 9 lines. Someone is buried at the “beach with her friend” and someone was buried with her probation violator boyfriend. Which makes me wonder did TK put bail money up for JC. Is this when MC learned about a job?
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The woman who was with a probation violation boyfriend was indeed missing... with her probation violation boyfriend. She was found alive in Anderson County the day before he posted that.

I posted the article in another thread..but I am so confused as to which thread I posted that article.
 
MrsRicho said:
Oh... almost forgot. Someone many many posts back was asking about his website and the 'about us' section that mentioned not feeding the web developers for 3 days, they were also questioning if he may have actually done this and that they may have been a victim.

This would be highly unlikely as websites take a lot of work to keep up to date and manage and so would require someone right up till the site went down.

There is still a way to view the site, I'm just not sure if I'm able to post it here as the site has technically been taken down. the site also has the names of all his employees on it. The way you can view it is legal and quite easy once you know the trick, it is used all the time to view past versions of sites...Can someone let me know the rules about this?

He actually had 2 websites that I can find.

tkarealestate.com
toddkohlhepp.com


Also the many many you tube videos are also not likely sinister (or boastful as also suggested). To get your website to show on google in a high position, you need to have good content. It is a well known trick to use videos as content as they hold the audience for a period of time and google see this as a plus and ranks your site higher for it. He was most likely told by an SEO specialist to create this content to get good google rankings.
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Someone shared here last week how to see old websites..


"Just plug in a url and if it's archived it'll be here. Not all get saved. http://archive.org/web/ "
 
snowboots said:
One thing I'm stuck on is that it wouldn't make sense for him to give up all his victims just to give his picture to his Mom and money to some kid, etc. I think he wants to hide some victims so he can use them as bargaining chips later on. So this could be additional bodies on the property, or earlier murders... I mean, he doesn't care about the victims, he will use them to continue to get what he wants. He could also have multiple social media accounts under aliases. JMO.

Are there many serial killers who use aliases?
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My gut says that it is not "some" kid he gave his money to but "his" kid. Whoever it is must be special to him which is why I think it may be his bio child.


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His mother says he told her there are no more bodies on the property and there is nothing else she needs to worry about. His mother does not say he told me he has not killed anyone else. An interesting distinction IMO.
 
tlcya said:
His mother says he told her there are no more bodies on the property and there is nothing else she needs to worry about. His mother does not say he told me he has not killed anyone else. An interesting distinction IMO.
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She never said anything about the coxies though..


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Wonder if he ever went out of town for Real Estate Conventions etc.? Any realtors know what a "success story" such as TK may do with their time, money and professional ambition?
 
lisette said:
O/T Is it just me? I just hate it when a case gets split up into so many different threads! It's makes it so hard to remember where you were reading and/or commenting..(Now which thread was I on when I saw that or was dialoguing with someone?) Guess there's a reason for it, but I wish we could just have one continuous thread instead of so many different ones. JMO (Of course, I realize the need for one devoted just to media, documents, etc., without comments.)
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Yes. It's easier to recall the page numbers you leave off on than going nuts trying to figure out which thread to dig in.

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StarryNight said:
BBM. I agree that it would be awfully hard to stab yourself multiple times like that. If the guy was wanting to commit suicide, surely he could've found an easier way to do it? Hanging, pills, suffocation, a gun...stabbing doesn't seem like it would be awfully high up on the list of ways to kill yourself. Unless you're some kind of sadist, it seems like you would want to kill yourself in the most painless yet most surefire way possible. I'm thinking this guy definitely did not kill himself.
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I feel the same way.
I don't even think it's physically possible to survive long enough to do it? If he had cut his wrists or a normal way to commit suicide it would be much different.
I wonder if he forced him to write the letter but refused to take responsibility for the couple's death in the letter. He probably knew he was going to die and that was his last way to say "I was forced to write this!"
Him making him write the letter was similar in my opinion of how he made comments on his victims FB pages.
I can't believe they even considered suicide honestly..... any of the wounds sounded like they could be fatal. I wonder if we could find his autopsy report? I'm going to sleuth a little for a minute.... brb
 
ianthe said:
Getting a little off topic but stabbing yourself is a viable, yet excruciating method of suicide. It's very possible. Elliott Smith is a notable example.
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Well the reason I think his death is important is because he too could be a victim of TK.
That's the reason I'm discussing it. :)
 
tlcya said:
His mother says he told her there are no more bodies on the property and there is nothing else she needs to worry about. His mother does not say he told me he has not killed anyone else. An interesting distinction IMO.
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I caught that too!
Very telling really in my opinion. He likes to be cryptic.
 
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