SC - Walter Scott, 50, fatally shot by North Charleston PD officer, 4 April 2015 - #1

[Sonya610]

Another thought... in the same video I noticed there were 3 Af. Am. deputies and maybe 4 or 5 white ones. So why doesn't the press say anything about that ?
Just hate it when the media tries to turn everything into a race war. It's as if they want to stir up trouble. :gaah: End of rant.

The perp in the desert was white, so race doesn't matter. I don't think it even would have made the news IF it hadn't involved video of an odd chase on horseback.

If those cops go to trial for beating him and I was on the jury there would be a whole lot of nullification going on. I would assume any injuries that horse/dog abusing had were caused when he fell off the horse.

 

[SophieRose]

http://www.wltx.com/story/news/2015...no-warrant-for-walter-scotts-arrest/25573151/

With court fees added, Scott owed more than $7,800. Records show that he last paid child support in July 2012. But there was no bench warrant directing officers to bring him in to face a family court judge.

Scott had been in jail three times over child support. In 2008, after a traffic stop in which he was charged with an open-container violation and driving under suspension, he was sent to jail in Charleston for six months for failing to pay about $6,800.

In 2011, bench warrants ordered deputies to bring him in, and Scott spent a night in jail when he was $7,500 behind. In 2012, he spent another night in jail when he owed $3,500.

 

[Cubby]

There is a portion of the interaction between Mr. Scott and the officer that is not captured on film.

Film #1 - By police car webcam. Shows there is no lighted tail light visible on left rear of Scott vehicle when he comes to a stop in front of the police car. Officer taps the tail light area with his hand as he approaches the driver side of the car.

A passenger can be seen inside the Scott vehicle. Mr. Scott begins to exit vehicle once and is directed by officer to get back into the vehicle. He does. Then, just a little later, Mr. Scott exits the vehicle, running away from the car. Then you can hear officer running after him, shouting something about tazing.

Film #2 - Bystander film This film picks up AFTER the bystander has seen Mr. Scott on the ground with the police officer over him. This event was not filmed. The film begins with Mr. Scott running away from the officer and captures the shooting of Mr. Scott.

So the very important - probably essential - part of the interaction between the two was NOT filmed.

I too do not have any great amount of sympathy for Mr. Scott. IMO he contributed to his own death by twice fleeing from police. Once AFTER being tazered.

What should the officer have done in the circumstance? Let the guy get away?

You have a situation where a guy is pulled over, he has no paperwork on the car, says he just bought it and then changes the story to "I'm going to buy it on Monday". Of course the cop suspects it is a stolen vehicle. Cop is checking out the driver and the vehicle when Scott flees. Did the cop already learn Scott had warrants? If so, are we sure they were only for non-payment of child support? Did the cop learn that the vehicle was indeed listed as being stolen? Or that it was unregistered?

So Scott is fleeing, cop tazers him and Scott goes down onto ground. Officer is over Scott and it appears to bystander that officer "has things under control". Then SOMETHING happens that allows Scott to get up and flee once again. WHAT happened? Nothing? Nothing at all? It just does not make sense that Scott got away from that situation without SOMETHING taking place.

What if the officer was telling the truth, that Scott DID "go for his tazer"? Or even if not, Scott was up and once again fleeing. What was the officer to do then? Let him get away?

I will say, I do not understand all of the parameters the various police departments are under as to who they can shoot and who they can't. But I do think there are damn good reasons wise parents instruct their children not to EVER run from the police.

And the "he didn't like police" and "he didn't want to go to jail for not paying child support" is surely not a very good excuse for what Scott did.

Yes, the bystander film is dramatic, but it does not tell the full story.

BBM. Chase him. I have yet to see an ounce of evidence Slager was in any danger. In fact, it appears he was simply too lazy to chase Scott, so he let his bullets do the chasing for him.

 

[EllieBee]

http://www.counton2.com/story/28769463/walter-scotts-funeral-arrangements

Walter Scott's funeral arrangements
By News2 Staff
Posted: Apr 10, 2015 4:36 AM PDT
Updated: Apr 10, 2015 6:52 AM PDT


CHARLESTON, SC -

"Walter Scott's wake will be held ... on Friday. The visitation is open for friends, family and the public."

”The Funeral of Walter Scott will be Saturday, April 11th at 11:00. A.M. ... The funeral is open to the public.”

"This weekend (Saturday), 8 North Charleston United Methodist Churches will hold a prayer vigil at 5:00 P.M. at the site of Walter Scott's shooting ..."

”Civil rights leader, Rev. Al Sharpton is expected to speak about Walter Scott's death at Charity Baptist Church in North Charleston on Sunday.”

Thank you, I.b.nora!

So, old Al is going to speak "about" Walter at another church, the day AFTER Walter's funeral. :notgood:

He just couldn't stay away.......but at least it looks like he won't ruin the actual funeral.

 

[LietKynes]

http://www.wltx.com/story/news/2015...no-warrant-for-walter-scotts-arrest/25573151/

With court fees added, Scott owed more than $7,800. Records show that he last paid child support in July 2012. But there was no bench warrant directing officers to bring him in to face a family court judge.

Scott had been in jail three times over child support. In 2008, after a traffic stop in which he was charged with an open-container violation and driving under suspension, he was sent to jail in Charleston for six months for failing to pay about $6,800.

In 2011, bench warrants ordered deputies to bring him in, and Scott spent a night in jail when he was $7,500 behind. In 2012, he spent another night in jail when he owed $3,500.

RSBM


So this Scott wasn't exactly law abiding. It is bothersome when his family is making him out to be an angel.

Not saying Slager didn't act precipitately. If that officer had just run after Scott, tackled him, and cuffed him ( best and simplest solution) we wouldn't be here , and Scott would be alive.
:moo:

 

[AlwaysShocked]

The videos released do not show CPR being performed on Mr. Scott. Could CPR have been performed AFTER what we saw on the tape, by someone else? Perhaps by a paramedic? Perhaps.

About CPR parameters: If the victim is breathing or has a pulse, you do NOT perform CPR. One officer is seen checking Mr. Scott's pulse. Perhaps a pulse was detected at that time. If that was the case, CPR was not indicated.

 

[Sonya610]

In 2011, bench warrants ordered deputies to bring him in, and Scott spent a night in jail when he was $7,500 behind. In 2012, he spent another night in jail when he owed $3,500.

So rather than risk possibly spending a night in jail he decided to "run for it" during a traffic stop? With a friend in the car?

Hard to believe a 50 year old man would do something so foolish. Very stupid decision on Scott's part, and then another stupid decision on the cops part.

 

[TieDyeJedi]

This is local to me. I'll have to find the links later, but CPR was not administered until several minutes later when another officer arrived, and even then not right away.

My SIL and her husband are both ex-NCPD (he's county now) and all officers have CPR training as first responders, BTW.

 

[EllieBee]

FWIW, the video does appear to show Mr. Scott had reached for something. Something which fell to the ground prior to his turning and running. Even if he grabbed for it, he never had it and was clearly no danger to the cop. Add me to the list of wondering why the cop used the bullets instead of chasing him.

Also, I thought Scott had the taser thingies (technical term) still stuck on him as he was running, so perhaps he grabbed the taser on impulse after being tased in order to make it stop?

That is, IF he even grabbed at it, which I am not sure he did.

JMO.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

It could turn out that he ran from the police all the other times he was arrested. Maybe it was his way. Who knows?

It certainly sounds like he was used to being arrested for being what is known as a "deadbeat dad".

 

[TieDyeJedi]

And if it hasn't been mentioned, Slager has a prior excessive force complaint. My husband asked his sister if she knew him but they got in a fight about NCPD getting body cams now and she's not speaking to him, so I don't know.

 

[SophieRose]

I wonder if WS had his license suspended for late child support payments.
http://www.state.sc.us/dss/csed/enforce.htm

License Revocation

If the non-custodial parent accumulates an arrearage of at least $500 and has not made a payment within 60 days, any driver's, occupational, professional, business or commercial license issued by the State of South Carolina is subject to being suspended or revoked. Once a license has been suspended or revoked, the non-custodial parent cannot have the license reinstated until they have reached an agreement with the ICSSD to pay the arrearage.

The non-custodial parent is notified forty-five (45) days before any license is suspended or revoked. During this forty-five (45) day period, the non-custodial parent may contact the ICSSD and enter into an agreement to pay the arrearage and prevent the license from being suspended or revoked.

 

[popsicle]

[h=1]Michael Slager Is Not Going to Prison for Killing Walter Scott: Here’s Why[/h]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ter_page&account=thedailybeast&medium=twitter

 

[KaaBoom]

Did not see the perp kicking the crap out of the horse. Was that before he got on it? It wasn't after. Is it linked in the relevant thread?

I didn't see it either, and I watched the entire video. Anyway it's pretty obvious from the video, that the cops kicked him a lot worse then he kicked the horse, if he actually kicked the horse.

Even animal cruelty, doesn't justify police brutality. Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[Cubby]

Did Slager drop the taser himself? I can't help but think Slager had a split second to decide on picking up the taser or chasing Scott. Then chose to shoot because it was the easiest thing to do at the time.

 

[Hatfield]

Yeah, THIS COP tried to cover up his actions. How is that indicative that it goes "high up"? They fired and arrested him. That's not a cover up. That's appropriate action...

Because before the video came out, nothing was going to be done at all. The story would have ended with a dead person and a justified police shooting.

My understanding is other officers had created initial police reports and they all had this listed as a justified police shooting.

Nothing was going to be done until that video came out to show the public what really happened.

Sure, there was only the 1 cop that was in the wrong but his partner surely got the "drift" of what was going on when the officer who did the shooting came over to drop the tazer near the body. So right there you have a 2nd person that should have stated some things in his initial report that weren't stated.

And there was no indication that a followup investigation was going to happen until that video surfaced.

And it appears they even tried to embellish the initial report with statements about giving CPR and nowhere is that seen that it even happened. Link below.
"Police account: The incident report says that officers at the scene performed CPR and first aid on Scott. "

So, IMO, the good ole boys network is still a very real thing.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/wa...hooting-what-they-said-vs-what-we-saw-n338616

 

[Sonya610]

This is local to me. I'll have to find the links later, but CPR was not administered until several minutes later when another officer arrived, and even then not right away.

My SIL and her husband are both ex-NCPD (he's county now) and all officers have CPR training as first responders, BTW.

Okay does anyone have links showing that CPR after several gun shot wounds even WORKS???

CPR is to restore blood flow to the brain. Shooting someone is designed to cause a massive loss of blood resulting in a fast death.

I ain't no medical professional but I can't see how performing CPR on an individual that was just shot full of holes INTENDED to make them bleed out helps. It just pumps even more blood out of the already dead body.

 

[TieDyeJedi]

Performing CPR on a gunshot victim is not uncommon. Just takes a quick Google search to find that out.

 

[vlpate]

I don't like the racial slant of this Daily Beast blog, but I agree that cop convictions are very few and far between. If I recall correctly, the number of cops convicted of murder in the past 50 years is 13 or some very low number like that. The last being Drew Peterson, maybe?

Cops are human and humans are fallible, but there are literally thousands of traffic stops every day SC without a "trigger happy" cop shooting the violator.

 

[EllieBee]

[h=1]Michael Slager Is Not Going to Prison for Killing Walter Scott: Here’s Why[/h]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ter_page&account=thedailybeast&medium=twitter

Sadly, I agree with the author of that article. I said as much in one of my first posts on this thread.