SC - Walter Scott, 50, fatally shot by North Charleston PD officer, 4 April 2015 - #1

[Brightbird]

It is one thing to come forward with information but why give interview after interview? I don't understand that personally.

It seems that that's just the reality TV and media culture we live in now. I don't understand it either, but it's everywhere.

 

[al66pine]

That's so illogical. How can he use the defense that he felt threatened if Scott was running AWAY from him? Twice he ran AWAY from him. They can shoot while they're being threatened, not because they did feel threatened. That's more like revenge than defense. I'm not seeing the connection between the scuffle, fight, or whatever, and Scott being a threat to anyone after he broke away and ran.

bbm

If LEO had no chance to frisk or pat down Scott for weapons (I've not seen anything one way or another),
then after witnessing Scott's other actions - grabbing for taser (if it happened) and his running -
then LEO could have reasonable fear that Scott had gun or other weapon and fear for his own safety and that of public.

The guy zigged & zagged, so to speak, at car, opened door as if to leave, then changed mind, got back in car,
stayed for how long, 1-2 min, then ran. Then whatever altercation w LEO & taser 'tussle' then running.
Should LEO ASSume guy will cont. running, not zig-zag again, and not turn around w gun and shoot LEO, ?
that man will instantly become law-abiding citizen?

JM2cts.

 

[formerjerseygirl]

I know we are all here to sleuth crimes and we have seen a piece of video from the incident but it is very early in the investigation and as we all saw in Ferguson there may be alot more information we are not privy to yet that may change our assumptions of the situation. In my opinion the city was quick to arrest the officer before a thorough investigation to avoid the chaos that came to Ferguson.

 

[bexlex]

Okay. That's it. No more for me.

The conspiracy theories have reached beyond the point of ridiculousness. MOO

Agreed

 

[formerjerseygirl]

http://killedbypolice.net/
Interesting stats. Are linked to news articles.

 

[al66pine]

Interesting you should say this. A high ranking FBI official stated in an interview that the taser should never have been moved to next to Scott. That was considered evidence tampering. Also, Slager should have pursued Scott by running after him, not shooting him. The agent stated that they photograph crime scenes and the evidence should always remain where it landed and not moved. It helps tell the story of what went down. IMO

bbm

Link pls, to interview w FBI official. Is he currently w FBI? Or formerly w FBI, now a talking head?
Not trying to say he's wrong, just like to see & hear it myself.

These events did not take place in a private home or setting where LE could instantly 'freeze it'
and contain it to prevent others from getting in and getting a couple ppl moved out of, say a living room or office.
The scene was spread out: parking lot where LE vehicle & other vehicle were, behind pawnshop, in the alley, etc.
Takes time to get officers to put up the tape and actually staff to secure the perimeter, secure the evd.

If LEO had moved taser from ground where it dropped at altercation/taser-tussle site,
to over close-ish to where Scott was on ground, a place that w/be carefully monitored, that does not surprise me.
In reading about sinister motives being ascribed to him, I had already wondered
if LEO moved it to prevent taser from being stolen or tampered w by a member of the public.

If LEO had left taser in place and it was stolen, ppl would raise Cain.

JM2cts.

 

[al66pine]

Passenger in the Mercedes that LEO stopped -- where was s/he when LEO began foot pursuit of Scott?

Was passenger in Mercedes, free to leave? Or sitting in LEO vehicle, free to leave?
What would protocol be re passenger?
Did LE search & cuff passenger in one car or the other before LEO began foot pursuit?
If not, seems like LEO would be wondering if the passenger was going to join Scott in altercation w LEO.

Just wondering.

 

[dodie20]

bbm

Link pls, to interview w FBI official. Is he currently w FBI? Or formerly w FBI, now a talking head?
Not trying to say he's wrong, just like to see & hear it myself.

These events did not take place in a private home or setting where LE could instantly 'freeze it'
and contain it to prevent others from getting in and getting a couple ppl moved out of, say a living room or office.
The scene was spread out: parking lot where LE vehicle & other vehicle were, behind pawnshop, in the alley, etc.
Takes time to get officers to put up the tape and actually staff to secure the perimeter, secure the evd.

If LEO had moved taser from ground where it dropped at altercation/taser-tussle site,
to over close-ish to where Scott was on ground, a place that w/be carefully monitored, that does not surprise me.
In reading about sinister motives being ascribed to him, I had already wondered
if LEO moved it to prevent taser from being stolen or tampered w by a member of the public.

If LEO had left taser in place and it was stolen, ppl would raise Cain.

JM2cts.

not as much cain as this cop moving it and placing it conveniently by the dead body-and by convenient, I mean manipulating the evidence to match the story he told on the phone. plus, cops were there and more were coming! people weren't going to be traipsing around, stealing things right after those 8 shots. smh, if they try to use that excuse, they'll be laughed out of court. moo

 

[KEVINinTO]

I notice from the FB page of the young man who took the video that he has set up a crowd-funding site for himself. Over $3,900 has been raised in one day!

Feidin Santana shared a campaign on *********
8 hrs ·
First of all I would like to thank everybody for the support I have received from everybody. Words cannot describe my gratitude. This is my official donations account, I did for those of you that were interested in donating. Everything I have done for this case has never been with any intention of taking advantage. In less than one day we have collected almost $3,000. Again, thanks very much and God bless you all.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

BBM. You might have a different perspective if you were the police officer on the ground entwined in a struggle with an angry man.

JMO

If I were a law enforcement officer who understands how my equipment works, I wouldn't be worried about him going for my taser.

And he wasn't anywhere near the officer...not even facing him...when he was shot multiple times. The altercation was OVER.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

What difference does it make if the altercation was recorded or not? Scott was SHOT IN THE BACK. He wasn't shot during the altercation. There is enough clearly unedited video that shows that when he was shot, he presented no threat to the officer.

 

[MyBelle]

I notice from the FB page of the young man who took the video that he has set up a crowd-funding site for himself. Over $3,900 has been raised in one day!

Of course. No surprise there....

 

[al66pine]

From my erlier post;
"if LEO moved it to prevent taser from being stolen or tampered w by a member of the public.
If LEO had left taser in place and it was stolen, ppl would raise Cain."

not as much cain as this cop moving it and placing it conveniently by the dead body-and by convenient, I mean manipulating the evidence to match the story he told on the phone. plus, cops were there and more were coming! people weren't going to be traipsing around, stealing things right after those 8 shots. smh, if they try to use that excuse, they'll be laughed out of court. moo

bbm

Certainly, LEO moving taser from one place to close to Scott on ground - to manipulate evd - is a possibility. No doubt.

Can anyone do a screen/frame grab of --
1. LEO picking up taser from ground, and hand mark/circle the taser?
2. LEO dropping taser close to Scott, ditto re marking the taser?
And what about a copy & paste - say from Google Earth of the block of the scene?

I am a verified dummy re things like ^. Thx in adv.

 

[MyBelle]

If I were a law enforcement officer who understands how my equipment works, I wouldn't be worried about him going for my taser.

And he wasn't anywhere near the officer...not even facing him...when he was shot multiple times. The altercation was OVER.

But you are not a law enforcement officer are you? Have you ever been in an altercation with a suspect? I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

What difference does it make if the altercation was recorded or not? Scott was SHOT IN THE BACK. He wasn't shot during the altercation. There is enough clearly unedited video that shows that when he was shot, he presented no threat to the officer.

Really? Could you produce this video? Because I'm pretty sure if it existed, it would be shown by now.

JMO

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Really? Could you produce this video? Because I'm pretty sure if it existed, it would be shown by now.

JMO

What are you talking about? The video being shown everywhere on every station clearly shows him being shot in the back.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

But you are not a law enforcement officer are you? Have you ever been in an altercation with a suspect? I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

JMO

In my first post, I said that even if Scott was going for the taser the officer should have known it was not a threat, because the officer had already activated the taser and the electrodes were in the suspect. If the taser was able to be used again, at that point the suspect would have been tasering himself even if he got it, so the officer should not have been threatened by that action.

You then replied that I might think differently if I were on the ground with an angry man, and my response is that even then, if I were trained appropriately I would know him going for my taser was not a threat to my safety. And we know that him going for the taser is what the officer was saying was the problem.

Now you are asking if I am a law enforcement officer, and I am not. And I have not been in an altercation like that, but my point is that the officer says Scott was a threat implying that he had to kill him by shooting him in the back as he ran away from the officer, when the officer knew without question that there was no possible threat to his safety even if Scott did grab his taser.

Is that a clear enough explanation?

 

[MyBelle]

In my first post, I said that even if Scott was going for the taser the officer should have known it was not a threat, because the officer had already activated the taser and the electrodes were in the suspect. If the taser was able to be used again, at that point the suspect would have been tasering himself even if he got it, so the officer should not have been threatened by that action.

You then replied that I might think differently if I were on the ground with an angry man, and my response is that even then, if I were trained appropriately I would know him going for my taser was not a threat to my safety. And we know that him going for the taser is what the officer was saying was the problem.

Now you are asking if I am a law enforcement officer, and I am not. And I have not been in an altercation like that, but my point is that the officer says Scott was a threat implying that he had to kill him by shooting him in the back as he ran away from the officer, when the officer knew without question that there was no possible threat to his safety even if Scott did grab his taser.

Is that a clear enough explanation?

BBM. It certainly is a clear explanation. Now please explain why YOU are in a position to determine what the officer "should have known." Thanks.

 

[MyBelle]

From my erlier post;
"if LEO moved it to prevent taser from being stolen or tampered w by a member of the public.
If LEO had left taser in place and it was stolen, ppl would raise Cain."

bbm

Certainly, LEO moving taser from one place to close to Scott on ground - to manipulate evd - is a possibility. No doubt.

Can anyone do a screen/frame grab of --
1. LEO picking up taser from ground, and hand mark/circle the taser?
2. LEO dropping taser close to Scott, ditto re marking the taser?
And what about a copy & paste - say from Google Earth of the block of the scene?

I am a verified dummy re things like ^. Thx in adv.

It appears to be edited to me.

 

[MyBelle]

What are you talking about? The video being shown everywhere on every station clearly shows him being shot in the back.

No, it shows what you want to be shown everywhere.