Senate Candidate Roy Moore accused of molesting 14yo girl

[vlpate]

People continue to use the words pedophile" and pubescent to describe Roy Moore and his accusers...why? Both descriptors are obviously wrong and apply to none of his accusers. Using thelse words now seems like a way to shame finders of fact and contributes nothing to an honest conversation about the allegations against Moore. Two of his accusers, and there are exactly three, were 18 and over, the other, at 14 still does not fit the hysterical descriptors.

 

[vlpate]

Not to mention the fact that she added a date and location isn't an "alteration." This whole controversy is yet another attempt to discredit this woman. The fact that Fox had to immediately retract it's headline about it is really all that needs to be said. I read in many sources yesterday that Fox's actions and the propagation of the forgery claims are actionable if this woman would choose to sue. I doubt she will; she has enough on her plate. But to say she is now discredited because she wrote a date and a location under his name? Ridiculous. Those who say they no longer believe her never believed her to begin with.

She added "DA" to his signature, just as it appeared on her divorce papers he signed years earlier.

 

[Jax49]

People continue to use the words pedophile" and pubescent to describe Roy Moore and his accusers...why? Both descriptors are obviously wrong and apply to none of his accusers. Using thelse words now seems like a way to shame finders of fact and contributes nothing to an honest conversation about the allegations against Moore. Two of his accusers, and there are exactly three, were 18 and over, the other, at 14 still does not fit the hysterical descriptors.

I agree pedophile and pubescent are not accurate. But, did you forget the 16 year old who says he assaulted her?

 

[Tawny]

It amuses me that we're more concerned with how accurate calling this man a pedophile is over the feelings of the women he assaulted and abused. Poor Roy, being called names by strangers who think it's ****ing gross he ****ed a 14 year old. IMO, a grown man "dating" a 14 year old is abuse. It's grooming, we have case upon case on this site alone of grown men grooming and impregnating 14 year olds and it's never acceptable in those threads but here it doesn't seem to be a problem?

 

[vlpate]

I agree pedophile and pubescent are not accurate. But, did you forget the 16 year old who says he assaulted her?

Right, I did forget, but now that she admits to notating the date herself, it is hard to know for sure.

 

[Jax49]

Right, I did forget, but now that she admits to notating the date herself, it is hard to know for sure.

She is one I totally believe. Just my opinion, of course.

 

[simba16]

People continue to use the words pedophile" and pubescent to describe Roy Moore and his accusers...why? Both descriptors are obviously wrong and apply to none of his accusers. Using thelse words now seems like a way to shame finders of fact and contributes nothing to an honest conversation about the allegations against Moore. Two of his accusers, and there are exactly three, were 18 and over, the other, at 14 still does not fit the hysterical descriptors.

No there is the 16 year old with the yearbook. There is also another older woman who said she was groped by Moore while in his law office.

 

[vlpate]

No there is the 16 year old with the yearbook. There is also another older woman who said she was groped by Moore while in his law office.

That's three, yes?

 

[animlzrule]

No there is the 16 year old with the yearbook. There is also another older woman who said she was groped by Moore while in his law office.

There are 9 so far in all, ages spanning from child to adult. As of 11/15/17 anyway. Could be more by now, idk.

 

[everybodhi]

Kiddie ****er, child diddler, nonce, pervert, kiddie fiddler, town creep..
There are many names we call the lowlife adults that prey on children and teenaged young people, but the press seems to be sticking with the most well known, accurate term.
Child molester.

 

[everybodhi]

Gosh Gardenista, are you shining some light on how the original image provided last month by CNN is 2 toned? Black ink fading into bluish? & somehow now it's all black?
https://mobile.twitter.com/CNN/status/930205088299257859
I'm more amused at the non rhyming poem. If only his name were "Ray" back in the day, eh? It would have made more sense. Oh well, guess we have to wait for Allred to give it over to the professionals. Sometime, in the next few weeks.

We don't have to wait, this claim is easily debunked.
Perhaps ones Twitter friends are not the most reliable place to go for analysis.

Explained: Roy Moore Two Color Yearbook Signature [Depth of Field Chromatic Aberration]

 

[kaen]

From Wikipedia:
.Hebephilia is the strong, persistent sexual interest by adults in pubescent (early adolescent) children (especially those showing Tanner stages 2-3 of development), which is typically ages 11–14. It differs from pedophilia (the primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children),[1][2][3] and from ephebophilia (the primary sexual interest in later adolescents, typically ages 15–19).[1][4] While individuals with a sexual preference for adults may have some sexual interest in pubescent-aged individuals,[1][5] researchers and clinical diagnoses have proposed that hebephilia is characterized by a sexual preference for pubescent rather than adult partners.

I think it is important to note that Roy Moore's behavior is not just what he acted on by molesting a young girl (at 14) but is also in the interest that he continued to have in girls between 15-19. What male at 32 shows up to a dance recital (where he first saw and, then, recalled seeing his wife for the first time, note that she did not recall him--per an interview with Roy Moore) and remembers the name of a 15 year old that he thought was beautiful?

The behavior pattern he exhibited is similar to how he met originally saw his future wife.

 

[Jennifer17]

He was, as a 32 year old man, doing purity tests by shoving 16 year old girl's face into his crotch. Creep.

 

[human]

He was, as a 32 year old man, doing purity tests by shoving 16 year old girl's face into his crotch. Creep.

Creep? Too nice of a word. Monster.

Can you imagine if that happened to you?

 

[human]

I have to say I am stunned. There is nothing too deviant for some people, apparently. From the Pres of the US who talked about looking at young girls at a beauty pageant to Roy Moore being banned from malls.

It really scares me to think that people think this is acceptable behavior.

I now live in a Third World country that is just starting to deal with child sex abuse.

I was all high and mighty in my mind thinking how backward it is here.

Surprise surprise. The US is ridiculous.

 

[rosemadderlake]

Yikes! Hadn't been following this story the last several days, but am shocked to learn that 9 women have made serious, credible accusations against Moore. Three of them were sexually assaulted. How could anyone want a sexual criminal to represent them?

https://qz.com/1147348/these-nine-women-have-accused-roy-moore-of-sexual-misconduct/

Roy Moore's alleged pursuit of a young girl is the symptom of a larger problem in evangelical circles

We need to talk about the segment of American culture that probably doesn’t think the allegations against Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore are particularly damning, the segment that will blanch at only two accusations in the Washington Post expose: He pursued a 14-year-old-girl without first getting her parents’ permission, and he initiated sexual contact outside of marriage. That segment is evangelicalism. In that world, which Moore travels in and I grew up in, 14-year-old girls courting adult men isn’t uncommon.

I use the phrase “14-year-old girls courting adult men,” rather than “adult men courting 14-year-old girls,” for a reason: Evangelicals routinely frame these relationships in those terms. That’s how I was introduced to these relationships as a home-schooled teenager in the 1990s, and it’s the language that my friends and I would use to discuss girls we knew who were in parent-sanctioned relationships with older men.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-e...moore-evangelical-culture-20171110-story.html


Bbm: I too wonder this. Why? There are perhaps some clues in the mindset of culture? In Moore's interview with Hannity, he spoke of not dating girls without their mother's permission which I found incredibly strange that a 32 year old man would even be doing this in the first place. Is it a permissive aspect in this faith that justifies this behavior? And, is it that this faith justifies Alabama's support for such a political candidate?

Of course, pursuing teenage girls at high schools or the Mall is not pursuing them in the church which is where this so called behavior is sanctioned. So, the faith part falls apart on this justification as do Moore's denials to the press and nation.

Moore's pro life political stance is deeply rooted in religious faith and so is the current republican base. The same base that believed in forgiveness to justify electing a president. How this will shake out on the national stage if he is elected is not clear, but very complicated. But if Moore wins, he will be facing the women and men in congress far away from the justification of faith.

The brave women who are blowing the lid off of Moore's abuses have provided great insight and hopefully the catalyst for change. Stay strong and hope you know just how many stand with you.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Roy Moore's alleged pursuit of a young girl is the symptom of a larger problem in evangelical circles

We need to talk about the segment of American culture that probably doesn’t think the allegations against Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore are particularly damning, the segment that will blanch at only two accusations in the Washington Post expose: He pursued a 14-year-old-girl without first getting her parents’ permission, and he initiated sexual contact outside of marriage. That segment is evangelicalism. In that world, which Moore travels in and I grew up in, 14-year-old girls courting adult men isn’t uncommon.

I use the phrase “14-year-old girls courting adult men,” rather than “adult men courting 14-year-old girls,” for a reason: Evangelicals routinely frame these relationships in those terms. That’s how I was introduced to these relationships as a home-schooled teenager in the 1990s, and it’s the language that my friends and I would use to discuss girls we knew who were in parent-sanctioned relationships with older men.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-e...moore-evangelical-culture-20171110-story.html


Bbm: I too wonder this. Why? There are perhaps some clues in the mindset of culture? In Moore's interview with Hannity, he spoke of not dating girls without their mother's permission which I found incredibly strange that a 32 year old man would even be doing this in the first place. Is it a permissive aspect in this faith that justifies this behavior? And, is it that this faith justifies Alabama's support for such a political candidate?

Of course, pursuing teenage girls at high schools or the Mall is not pursuing them in the church which is where this so called behavior is sanctioned. So, the faith part falls apart on this justification as do Moore's denials to the press and nation.

Moore's pro life political stance is deeply rooted in religious faith and so is the current republican base. The same base that believed in forgiveness to justify electing a president. How this will shake out on the national stage if he is elected is not clear, but very complicated. But if Moore wins, he will be facing the women and men in congress far away from the justification of faith.

The brave women who are blowing the lid off of Moore's abuses have provided great insight and hopefully the catalyst for change. Stay strong and hope you know just how many stand with you.

Thank you for sharing your story, rosemadderlake. I hope it helps others to understand the evangelical faith and why it's no big deal for older men to date teen girls.

 

[rosemadderlake]

Thank you for sharing your story, rosemadderlake. I hope it helps others to understand the evangelical faith and why it's no big deal for older men to date teen girls.

Oh, I should clarify, it is the LA times Op/Ed story, not mine.

And yes, I think it does provide much context into a culture borne out of the evangelical faith that I don't understand very well but do know has a very powerful constituency in this country.

 

[simba16]

Richard Shelby, Republican Senator of Alabama, tells Jake Tapper on CNN that he did not vote for Roy Moore, could not vote for him. He wrote in a Republican name on his ballot.

 

[Jax49]

(senator from Alabama) said on Monday that he did not vote for Republican nominee Roy Moore in the state's Senate special election.


"No, no, no, I voted absentee. I didn't vote for him. I voted for a distinguished Republican write-in," Shelby told reporters when asked if he would vote for Moore, who has been accused of sexual misconduct by multiple women.

http://thehill.com/homenews/special...nator-i-voted-for-a-write-in-instead-of-moore

Republican senator from Alabama (on CNN this morning): "Could not vote for Moore".