Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #7

[Hope4More]

Oh, I didn't know the ineffectual had to wait for the post conviction relief (like JSS is gonna grant that one lol). Don't worry about searching out the link on your phone, I'm in no rush.

I did a quick check. September 2011, 6 month continuance to find a DV expert to replace Karp. That would be Alyce.

Doesn't specifically say an expert for the guilt phase, but the DV crap was intrical to their case for self defense, so I don't believe Alyce was to testify only during the penalty phase.

 

[Hope4More]

Just for the stupidity of it:

Jodi Arias’ Letter From Prison Reveals Plans to Marry Another Woman’s Man (EXCLUSIVE)

That piece of nonsense is genuinely funny, especially the part about how the two of them "began dating," lol, though of course she was in Estrella.

Kinda like the language she "has a new roommate," aka in reality a cell mate, if even that much is true.

Why rags keep publishing anything about her, including these strange lies, is beyond me.

Adding- if those shreds of letter were really written by the to MDLR, MDLR must have colluded with the to get that trash published. What a piece of work is MDLR.

 

[geevee]

That piece of nonsense is genuinely funny, especially the part about how the two of them "began dating," lol, though of course she was in Estrella.

Kinda like the language she "has a new roommate," aka in reality a cell mate, if even that much is true.

Why rags keep publishing anything about her, including these strange lies, is beyond me.

It's beyond me as well. That bit about 'dating' - ummm...if he isn't even allowed to visit her, how does a 'date' ever happen? Such ridiculousness.

 

[Hope4More]

It's beyond me as well. That bit about 'dating' - ummm...if he isn't even allowed to visit her, how does a 'date' ever happen? Such ridiculousness.

a. i think the can't tolerate being forgotten, and the $$ has dried up.

b. if there's any truth to that letter which was clearly meant to get her in the news, it's the same old truth of the using manipulation to get what she wants.

 

[geevee]

a. i think the can't tolerate being forgotten, and the $$ has dried up.

b. if there's any truth to that letter which was clearly meant to get her in the news, it's the same old truth of the using manipulation to get what she wants.

Agreed, the worst sentence in the world to her is one of being ignored and forgotten.

I have no words for MDLR, why she wasn't brought up on misconduct/ethics charges long ago is a mystery.

 

[LinasK]

That piece of nonsense is genuinely funny, especially the part about how the two of them "began dating," lol, though of course she was in Estrella.

Kinda like the language she "has a new roommate," aka in reality a cell mate, if even that much is true.

Why rags keep publishing anything about her, including these strange lies, is beyond me.

Adding- if those shreds of letter were really written by the to MDLR, MDLR must have colluded with the to get that trash published. What a piece of work is MDLR.

On top of that, the cover page is misleading. Even if she were able to marry him, and get conjugal visits, how in the h*ll would a baby free her? They'd just take it away from her. We're not even talking Bali here-like Heather Mack who gets to keep her baby in jail with her for two years.

 

[salberg7]

I am still not sure what a mitigation specialist does as I can't say I saw anything productive from MDLR. I'd like to see that job description and how it explains someone doing a whole lot of nothing. That woman offered nothing to that trial. And then after all the hoopla from the DT & defendent in the guilt phase, Nurmi chooses not present any mitigation witnesses anyway. Go figure...

 

[Hope4More]

Welcome home, adventurous Hope4More! Home, Sweet home, yes?

Your Mesa trip inspired me to rewatch the interrogation. Rather than trying to fish out her lies, really really concentrating on trying to unearth/pinpoint any sliver of truth among lies and embellishments.

I have found two truths so far.
-Travis did not know she was coming.
-She did not know about the existence of accidental photos taken during the time of killing.

Hi Pocket. Thanks to you I watched a few hours of the interrogation tapes I'd never watched before, and rewatched several hours worth I did watch, but a very long time ago.

I've always relied upon TXJan's epic transcripts of those interviews, but seeing them does makes a difference.

I focused entirely on all mentions of camera and photos, and her responses when Flores toyed with her on the subject (which he did, repeatedly, and IMO, brilliantly).

I haven't changed my mind that her "really" and "I didn't know" didn't IMO necessarily reveal fear, and I've known the was very persistent about trying to get Flores and the female detective to show her "the photos."

The question that occurred to me as I watched-- yes, she surely did want to see those photos, but...why her intense need to do so? What could crime scene photos show her that she didn't already know from slaughtering him? And, what threat could the shower photos possibly pose AFTER she was forced to acknowledge she was there?

I'm thinking the only photos she'd worry about and try to work around are those accidental photos.

And imo , here Flores's strategy of dangling the accidentals without ever fully revealing particulars was likely what caused the 's intense interest. Just before showing her the dragging photo he told her, with dramatic emphasis, "this is just ONE of those accidental photographs I told you about," and that it was only one portion of the photo (her foot).

He prefaced that by telling her " this one isn't (too) bad," suggesting the photos he'd told her before that were just too awful to show her might in fact be the accidentals, perhaps of her in the act. Coupled with Flores also telling her early in that he'd come across definititive evidence that placed her in the house and of her as the killer, she might well have feared accidentals she didn't see when she deleted photos individually, or that she never saw because she deleted photos as one batch.

I also noticed her on the spot ninja story didn't take those accidental photos into account at all. Perhaps that's because she had no clue what had been caught on camera, but perhaps as well she'd gained enough info from Flores's questions to know the photos couldn't have captured her in the act.

 

[pocketaccent]

Hi Pocket. Thanks to you I watched a few hours of the interrogation tapes I'd never watched before, and rewatched several hours worth I did watch, but a very long time ago.

I've always relied upon TXJan's epic transcripts of those interviews, but seeing them does makes a difference.

I focused entirely on all mentions of camera and photos, and her responses when Flores toyed with her on the subject (which he did, repeatedly, and IMO, brilliantly).

I haven't changed my mind that her "really" and "I didn't know" didn't IMO necessarily reveal fear, and I've known the was very persistent about trying to get Flores and the female detective to show her "the photos."

The question that occurred to me as I watched-- yes, she surely did want to see those photos, but...why her intense need to do so? What could crime scene photos show her that she didn't already know from slaughtering him? And, what threat could the shower photos possibly pose AFTER she was forced to acknowledge she was there?

I'm thinking the only photos she'd worry about and try to work around are those accidental photos.

And imo , here Flores's strategy of dangling the accidentals without ever fully revealing particulars was likely what caused the 's intense interest. Just before showing her the dragging photo he told her, with dramatic emphasis, "this is just ONE of those accidental photographs I told you about," and that it was only one portion of the photo (her foot).

He prefaced that by telling her " this one isn't (too) bad," suggesting the photos he'd told her before that were just too awful to show her might in fact be the accidentals, perhaps of her in the act. Coupled with Flores also telling her early in that he'd come across definititive evidence that placed her in the house and of her as the killer, she might well have feared accidentals she didn't see when she deleted photos individually, or that she never saw because she deleted photos as one batch.

I also noticed her on the spot ninja story didn't take those accidental photos into account at all. Perhaps that's because she had no clue what had been caught on camera, but perhaps as well she'd gained enough info from Flores's questions to know the photos couldn't have captured her in the act.

This post is brilliant Hope!
Her intense desire to see the photos always struck me as odd. Like you said, she was there, she was the one who killed him, and she knew how she did it so why the need to see the photos? I agree there's no reason other than to try to work around the accidental photos she might not know about, and yes she was worried about any possible photos of her in the act.

Aaah, I just realized why one of the ninja had to be a female. Just registered on me as I was typing! It stems from the unknown accidental photo that may reveal a person with female build, like female hands, hair, butt, breast, etc. In addition, she probably had determined the 'foot' and the pant leg in the 'foot photo' she had seen earlier looked sort of belonging to a female.

(I'm so bummed the US soccer team lost today.)

 

[salberg7]

Good catch Hope4More, regarding her dismissing or ignoring the accidental pictures after the ninja story. She truly thinks everyone must believe her. Lies come so easily from her, she doesn't skip a beat. She took Flores for a fool but that's how she treats anyone, as she believes she is so much smarter than everyone else. Flores was quite professional in his interrogation of the murderer and handled her perfectly, especially the photos. She really wanted to see those pics.

 

[RickshawFan]

Just for the stupidity of it:

Jodi Arias’ Letter From Prison Reveals Plans to Marry Another Woman’s Man (EXCLUSIVE)

LOL, that article says it's been 8 years since was sentenced to prison.

 

[Hope4More]

The Photos and the Ninja Story, Part 1


For the first approximately 50 minutes into the interrogation the was confidently and not very subtly trashing Travis (and portraying Deanna as unstable), working off the script she had laid out in her journals, until Flores began bringing up evidence.

First he allows her to hang herself on the impossibility of her lie about routes, then he tells her he has cell phone tower records to prove her story was impossible.

He follows up next with the photos.

“DF: You were at Travis’s house. You guys had a sexual encounter, which there’s pictures, and we know there are pictures, because I have them. I will show them to you. Okay? So… what I’m asking you is for you to be honest with me. I know you were there.

JA: Are you sure those pictures aren’t from another time?

DF: Positive. Absolutely positive.”

Her denials begin: “JA: The last time I had any sexual contact with Travis was in April. “

Flores lands his blow about the camera:

“DF: Remember I told you about the camera. That camera was damaged. Someone put it in the washing machine. Ran it through a wash cycle with some clothes of Travis’s, but the card is intact. Remember I told you that card was destroyed?

I didn’t want to tell you the truth, because I wanted to make sure those photos were accurate and we can pull deleted photos.

I don’t care if you delete ‘em six months ago, we can pull every photo that was on there… pull the little pixels together, get the time stamps, and we can verify those time stamps, and I have pictures of you in Travis’s bedroom with Travis, pictures of him, and it’s obvious you guys are having sex, taking photos of each other, and they’re dated and time stamped on the day he died.

JA: Are you sure it’s me? I mean…’cos I was not there…”
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DF: I know all the details of this case. The only thing I don’t know is why? Why did you choose to go visit Travis that day? And why did you do what you did?

JA: I never hurt Travis.

DF: You did. You hurt him. I can just arrest you and throw you in jail, but I want to know why. Why did you do this to him?

JA: I wouldn’t hurt Travis. He’s done so much for me.

DF: There’s so much evidence in that house. So much… and it all points to you.

JA: I…I lived there. I was there for months and months and months.

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The dance about evidence, including the photos, begins in earnest. Flores never tells her exactly what is in all the photos taken that day, and he definitely seems to be using the photos as a whole, especially the accidentals, to scare her into slipping up, if not actually confessing.

On the other hand, after he reveals the existence of the accidentals, he is through his questions and remarks to her revealing information the can and does use in conjuring up her ninja story, including that Flores believed she shot him first.

IMO it’s likely that the more information Flores revealed with his questions, the more confident she became that whatever was in the accidental photos (or any others), they couldn’t have captured her indisputably and actually in the act of killing Travis. That would be especially true if the gunshot came last, and she knew Flores didn’t even know the sequence of weapons she used.

I think she might also have concluded after some while that Flores and the FO wouldn’t feel the need to question her for hours about the why if they had conclusive photos of her guilt.
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DF: Mmm Hmm. I know you took pictures of him in the shower, just before he died.

JA: I don’t think he would allow that…

DF: Mmm Hmm…and the camera actually took a couple of photos by accident during the time he was being killed.

JA: Really?

DF: Yeah, Jodi, really! You were there! Quit playing this game.

JA: I didn’t…no…I did not hurt Travis. I did not hurt Travis

DF: We have the pictures.

JA: (immediately): Can I see the pictures?

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Flores ignores her, goes on to other evidence).

DF: We have your blood at the scene…your hair with blood at the scene…your left palm print at the scene, in blood. What’s going on there?

JA: Well, I can explain the blood and the hair. I don’t know about my left palm print.

DF: ……when you touched the wall or there was blood on the wall when you touched the blood…

JA: Could my palm print have already been there and then I touched it?

DF: Jodi… Jodi… This is over. This is absolutely over. You need to tell me the truth.

JA: Listen, the truth is I did not hurt Travis.

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DF brings up the gun: “The records show that you reported a gun stolen… a 25 auto. “


JA: A 25 auto was used to kill Travis?

(Meaningless? Or she repeated it because it was a clue to her about what was in the accidentals, and or that Flores was exaggerating what he knew?)

DF: Mmm hmm, yeah, along with multiple stab wounds.

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Flores next plays her with about the photos:

“Jodi… if you want I could show you some pictures of him. Do you want to see pictures of him?

JA: Part of me does and part of me doesn’t?

DF: Why, because you don’t want to remember?

JA: No! I just…

……..There’s a morbid curiosity.

………I wanted to know how he died!”

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DF: When you start telling me the truth, then I can believe you, but I can’t deny this evidence. I can’t. The trip you took doesn’t make sense. The opportunity was there. Your pictures on that date with him, your blood is in the house, mixed with his… mixed, not alongside, but mixed. Your hair is there with blood, and your palm print is there in blood. It’s over.

JA: Could it have been my blood from before?

(She IMO reaches for what is her bottom line). JA: Listen, if I’m found guilty, I don’t have a life. I’m not guilty.

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DF: Was there anybody else with you at Travis’s house on Wednesday the 4th?

JA: I was not at Travis’s house on Wednesday the 4th.

DF: You were, (the bloody palm print was left on his wall). I don’t know what to tell you. If you were in my shoes and I had this evidence against… against you, what would you say?

JA: It would be pretty obvious, but I guess being in my position I’d … it just seems so impossible.

I’d want to see it, I’d want to know…..

I mean…I’m not like.. I’m not a murderer but I guess if I were to do that I’d wear gloves, or, you know, something. I just…How can my… I don’t know…

DF: I know you tried to wash him off, tried to get some of the blood off…tried to clean him up a little bit, but you’re even denying the pictures of you being there. There are pictures of you laying on the bed in pigtails.

DF: Yes. I’ve got pictures of you that I’ve blown up…..It’s you.

It’s obvious. I can show you some of these pictures. Do you want to see the pictures? Will that change your mind?

JA: I mean…I am curious.
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[Hope4More]

Part 2. (Flores traps her with accidental photo showing her in sweat pants)

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DF: They’re going through your house right now, so… are they going to find anything there that will lead you back to this?

JA: I don’t think they would. I mean there’s nothing that could link me there. I mean that’s pretty compelling I have to admit if you found my palm print there. I don’t know…I just…

DF changes the subject from palm print to accidental photos….

DF: Do you have a pair of sweatpants that’s got stripes around the back side with zippers?

JA: Umm…


JA: I’ve got so many clothes. Yeah, I think I do…Wait! I have… Well, I have one that zips in the back.

DF: Mmm Hmm… Its got like stripes… like a big stripe… well, kinda’ towards the back.

JA: It’s got a black stripe all the way down and they’re white. It’s got a black…I have those. They’re at the house.

DF: Okay.

JA: It’s got umm…I have two pairs actually, one is too small and one is just about right. Umm… when I bought … anyway one was too small and it was on sale and it was a good deal ummm…but yeah, they have stripes and they have a zipper.

What does that mean, what is that?


DF: Because I believe you were wearing a pair like that when this happened. Remember I told you about the camera? It was taking pictures by accident.

JA: Mmm hmmm

DF: The camera was upside down. Flash, another time, camera flashed -- looks like it was on the ground. Maybe it was kicked, look at the pictures,

---and it’s obviously a female, and one of them was wearing those pants. (Note--ONE of "them"?)

JA: Oh, I didn’t even bring those pants on that trip, so…


DF: Okay, we’re gonna’ take a little break, but I need you to think about what you’re doing here, because the best thing for you to do is for you to tell me the truth. Tell me exactly what happened, …..

It happened, and I can prove it happened, and there’s no doubt in my mind and there absolutely is no doubt in anybody else’s mind who’s investigating this that you were there and you did this, but… I’ll let you think about that. Okay?

I’m going to go look for some pictures and I’ll bring them over and we’ll continue this discussion. Okay? Let me go find them. I’ll be right back.
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DF: These are just a few photos, and I want to be careful showing…not showing you certain photos

JA: Please don’t show me (unintelligible)

DF: because some of them are very…bad. That’s obviously Travis’s house, right? Remember that?

JA: Umm…yeah.

DF: Flips through binder of photos/case file

JA: If Travis were here today he would tell you that it wasn’t me.

DF: Well, my job is to speak for Travis right now, and everything Travis is telling me is that Jodi did this to me.

Have you ever shot that 25 auto? Ever touched it?


DF: (Flips through book with crime scene photos)

DF: I wanted to know which pictures to show you. What about that one? (DT shows Jodi the photo of Travis sitting in the shower looking at her)


JA: Is he naked? In the shower?

DF: Yeah. Yep. Yes, he is.

JA: Travis would never go for that.

DF: Soon after you and him had sex on his bed.

--------------JA: That couldn’t have been too soon after. (Note- an odd statement, and one she later repeats to the FO).

DF: two hours… (DF flips through pages/photos)

DF: These didn’t come out very good because they’re copies. That’s your photos. That’s you! I wanted to cover you up because …

JA: Oh!

DF: That’s you… all of you

JA: That looks like me.

DF: That is you.

DF: You can look at the rest of them if you want. There’s a few of them. There’s a few more. I’ll try not to show you…because I don’t want to put you out there like that…
Let’s just say I’ve seen all of you, and I’ve seen all of Travis, but the one that sticks in my mind of Travis is…. on the autopsy table. I’m not going to show you that one… or should I?

But… this one I don’t know if I should show you, but nothing bad… too bad, but it’s just one of the photos that was taken by accident, and this is just a small portion of it…

DF: That’s your foot, Jodi. These are your pants. Now it’s off color because they had to enhance it and the color had to change just a little bit. That’s Travis…

JA: This is his bathroom… That is not my foot.

DF: Those are your pants. It’s a different color like I said because we had to enhance it and the color changes. The zippered backs…

JA: I have both of those pants at home, if these are the same ones. I don’t have a zipper there though… not on mine. This is a black stripe and this is white and the black goes around (unintelligible)

DF: (Turns pages in book…)

 

[Hope4More]

Part 3.



DF: Are you going to continue with the story then that you weren’t in Mesa on the 4th, you weren’t in Travis’s house, you didn’t have sex with him that day, and you had nothing to do with his murder?

JA: Those pictures are, I don’t know, to me, pictures are very compelling. Umm…I know that they can be modified and they can be altered and date and time stamps, I don’t know, but I… I think they can be tampered with…

02:05
DF: I didn’t modify anything.

02:05
JA: I didn’t think you would.

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asks about what happens if she just says she did it).

JA: Don’t you know what the sentences are, the sentences are carried for something …

DF: It depends on your situation, how old you are, it depends on the type of crime, it depends on whether you show remorse for that. And part of that
Remorse is at least coming clean. When somebody doesn’t come clean, I don’t see any remorse. I don’t know if the judge would see any remorse. I don’t know if the jury would see the remorse. But I don’t know. That’s not for me to decide.

JA: I just can’t imagine…

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Flores tells her there's no evidence any one else was there, or involved. Just her.


DF: There’s…there’s no evidence to show anybody else did that. None.

DF: ....You keep saying gloves. There’s things that happen when people wear gloves, then we can actually see that, oh, somebody wore gloves in this case. Nobody wore gloves in this case. Nobody.


.....Nobody else did this. There’s no evidence to show that nobody else did this but you. You were the only one. That is it, and I’m not seeing any remorse, I’m not seeing any… anything from you to make me believe anything otherwise. You can continue to say I didn’t do it.


.....Why won’t you admit to it?

JA: I just can’t. I didn’t kill Travis. I just didn’t…I did not take his life.

DF: Then what can you tell me about his death?


JA: You know a lot more about it than I do.

(Begins reverting back to her fabricated journal stories, which she does on and off from this point on, often completely out of context): ….. if it weren’t for Ryan I would have folded and I would have just scrapped all my plans and spent all of my days there.

Umm… but I didn’t and I stood strong, and he got mad, and he got sad and he guilted me. He didn’t get really mad, he just kind of guilted me, and finally was like, Fine, whatever, and I hung up.

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JA: Can I … Can I ask you? I don’t know if you know this. Ohhhh, I have a camera and it’s in my storage unit that I don’t use any more but Travis and I used to use frequently, and we took pictures with it. Ummmm… this is… I don’t know. This is kind of.

DF: Do you remember taking these pictures?

JA: There were many pictures. I… Vaguely. There were…we took tons and tons of pictures. Some I saved and most we deleted. Umm…Some he sent me through his phone.

DF: He usually deleted all the pictures like this.

JA: Yeah, well, before he got…

DF: Any pictures like this that I found anywhere on his computer, camera, anything, they were deleted.

JA: Well, prior to him getting his camera all of those pictures were on my camera. Umm…so,

DF: All these same pictures?

JA: Umm…I don’t know. I don’t know.

We took…umm…we took a bunch the week before I left. Umm….we took a bunch over the last 6 or 7 months. Umm we took over the last year even when we were still dating but we would delete them mostly.

There were some that he sent me that I didn’t delete.

Umm…what I’m asking… is it possible that you know that my memory card would have been in his camera, if they’re interchangeable?

DF: How do you know if they’re interchangeable?

JA: I don’t…That’s why I’m asking is what kind of memory card it was…

DF: It’s not interchangeable.

JA: But… the other one… (Sighs) I don’t know. I don’t know.

DF: Your camera’s here. His camera’s there. He just bought that camera.

JA: Well, the other camera that I used before that’s broken now it’s in my storage unit. But it’s still there.

DF: And you’re saying those pictures are on that camera?

JA: I’m… no… what I’m saying is, I had several memory cards for this camera that I don’t have any more, and so, I guess… it’s so far fetched… I would guess it’s possible that my card…

DF: You’re saying somebody took your pictures or your card and is framing you and put that into his camera and…

JA: No, no, no, no. I’m just saying that if… if my memory cards were left at his house he could…he would have used those for his camera. I don’t know. I don’t know.

I can explain the blood though and I can explain the hair. I don’t know about the palm print.

 

[Hope4More]

Part 4. ( begins developing her Travis guilted me into going story line, while as of yet denying she went there, Flores links the gun shot to the shower).



DF: Is that how you want to leave this? These far fetched excuses of why your blood is there, why your hair is there, why your palm print is there, what pictures are there?


JA: I don’t know about the pictures.


DF: That’s how you want to leave this? I wouldn’t want to. I seriously would not want to. You need to come out and tell me why this happened. I will not accept any other excuses. I will just move on with my investigation with my final report submitting all the conclusions and all the evidence and we can just let a judge and jury decide. You yourself said that if you were in my shoes you would think that I was guilty. We can leave it in the hands of a jury…

JA: What about a lie detector test?

JA: You’re so weird anyway. (Sighs)

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DF: Do you understand what’s going to happen to you? …we’re going to send you through the court system here, and then we’re going to ask to extradite you to Arizona from California. the next time we talk could be in a whole different setting. It could be in a jail somewhere.

Jodi, I know you were there. I know that Travis was either in the shower or just outside the shower when he was shot and I know someone was extremely angry at him, took a knife to him, and couldn’t stop. Couldn’t stop. Before you knew it, it was all over and then you panicked, and then…
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DF: Then tell me who could have done this. Who did this?


JA: I don’t know, but if I am… if I go to trial for this and if I’m convicted for this whoever did this is going to be sitting very pretty somewhere, glad that it wasn’t them.


JA: …..he always has guilted me. He has always guilted me, and, the last time…

DF: So you feel… you feel somebody else killed him?

JA: Well, yeah!

DF: For what reason?

JA: I don’t know. I don’t know that.

JA: Here’s why I felt guilty. One of the last times we spoke, he was guilting me about not coming to see him, and part of my heart still wanted to go see him and another part just wants to move on, and pursue this new avenue, which was in Utah, and there is a tinge of guilt, you know, and he would text me and he would say, Hey, you want to come over and make out or wanna’ duh duh duh.

Umm… I didn’t respond one night, and I just stayed strong, and I didn’t respond, and he called and called and called and then the next day he was like, You don’t care about me, you don’t love me, you don’t care, I was there all alone, and you didn’t want to come and hang out. You don’t want to come and keep me company, and he says it not like that, in that tone, but it’s in the sweetest, sweetest way, and it’s… it’s… guilt. Umm…

DF: I still don’t get the guilt… I really don’t. You keep explaining it but it has nothing to do with whether he…


JA: Because he guilted me…

DF: …was killed or not. How is you being there going to prevent him from being killed?

JA: Well, I kinda’ feel that if I had gone that we could have been out watching a movie or we could have…two people could have done something more than just him.

I just feel like if…if there was some way that I could have prevented it or someway that I could have done something to stop it, and I told that to a few people and they’re like well, you might have been killed, too, Maybe, but maybe Travis would still be alive.

JA: Travis has done a lot for me and I wouldn’t hurt him. He introduced the gospel to me.

DF: Well…I have proof that says otherwise, Jodi. I can’t… (sigh) I can’t deny that proof, and that proof is not pointing at anybody else. Nobody! Nobody in this entire world, except you! Nobody! Nobody else was in that house that day, except you. You were the only one. You and him – alone!

JA: I didn’t even go to Mesa.

 

[Hope4More]

(Part...whatever. :


DF: This is absolutely some of the best evidence I’ve ever had in a case, and I’ve convicted a few people on less that this.

JA: Well, so I’m as good as done, right? With that evidence…


DF: Yeah…

JA: I just can’t admit to something that I didn’t do. If it would help…if it would help my case and get me an easier sentence I know people plead guilty for those things…

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DF: and I’m not going to sit here and show you pictures of him after the fact. I don’t do that. That’s not how I work. (Jodi crying) That is not for me to do. But eventually those photos will come out.

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DF: I don’t think you wanted to. I really don’t think you wanted to, but this speaks for itself. It speaks for itself, Jodi. It goes beyond speculation. This is way beyond speculation. This is downright proof, but there’s no back story to it. …..

JA: It looks like you don’t really uhh… need anything…it does look like, I mean…it looks like you don’t even need a good prosecutor anyway…so, I mean…

DF: You’re right.

JA: I…I have to maintain my innocence. I can’t admit to doing something that I haven’t done. I… there’s…and there’s…part of me wants to cop out and say it.

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(Interrogation with FO)

FO: Are you sorry for what happened to him?

JA: Of course I am. That’s awful what happened to him. He didn’t show me any pictures but he showed me the carpet.

FO: It was pretty horrific.

JA: You know Travis was very strong. I watched him work out a couple of times. It’s super intense. My dad has worked out all my life. He’s been a body builder, sort of, not professional. He’s just always been really big.

I’ve seen him work out, but I’ve never seen anybody work out like Travis and it’s…he’s just…You know, a couple of times, he was really into UFC and a couple times he would show me some wrestling moves, and it…like…I was just powerless, like there was no way out of it. (Note....working out another story...)
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JA: Umm…you know I’ve never been one for an eye for an eye but they took his life, and even the book of Mormon says that…umm…that…that that calls for the life of the person who took his life.

FO: Do you think that’s the path you’re going down right now and it’s inevitable so why fight it?

JA: Umm…I’m not sure... kind of… I’m not sure. I don’t know where I’m going.


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FO: So tell me this, after looking at all the evidence and what I think is crystal clear, if you didn’t kill Travis, then who did?

JA: I…he was private about a lot of aspects of his life.

-----------JA: He told me some things. Some things I got from some of his, you know, Facebook account, email account, or My Space or whatever, because I have passwords to those.

Umm…but I don’t know like, he would get occasionally he would get solicitations but and he would always respond not to not answer the solicitation but to call the person out, and I don’t know if anything ever became of those.

I don’t know. I know his tires were slashed. I don’t… I don’t know. (Note--trying to figure out how to place the blame on one of TA's flirt-friends? Trying to think through if she can use her own tire-slashing to suggest TA had an enemy?)
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FO: Maybe…maybe you weren’t the person that did it.

Maybe…maybe you were just physically there when it happened and somebody else did it. I mean, I guess, you know that’s a possibility.
If that’s the case, help us out here. Help yourself out.

If you didn’t do it, then who did, because everything is pointing to you, not just pointing to you but you know screaming that Jodi killed Travis, and I thought that I could come in here and talk to you and talk some you know sense into you and get you to kind of help yourself out. You don’t need to help our case out. You don’t need to help their case out. That’s a slam dunk.

JA: I know he showed me.

 

[Hope4More]

(with FO......)


JA: Is there any way I can see some of those photos?

10:00
FO: What would you do with them if you could see them?

10:03
JA: Just look at them.

10:05
FO: Do you think it would help you?

10:07
JA: I don’t know if it would help me or… I don’t know. Maybe. Maybe it wouldn’t. I don’t know. I just think that… I don’t know.



FO: How is seeing those pictures again going to help you?


JA: I just thought it would help me piece things together.


FO: What is it that you’re trying to piece together?


JA: Umm. I don’t know. There’s also a bit of morbid curiosity, I think. ((Crying) I just want to see the pictures. He showed me a good picture of him yesterday.


FO: Is it the one with him in the shower?


JA: He had water all over his face or something.


FO: You took a nice picture of him.


JA: He would never let me take pictures of him in the shower, you know, despite our intimacy he was very private about his showers. You know, like he had a room. I don’t think you’ve seen the room, but

(Jodi becomes animated and proceeds to use her hands to draw a diagram of Travis’ rooms on the table)

it was here. There were double doors here leading into the room, a walk-in closet here and a hallway, sort of short hallway here that went this way, and then there was a bathtub here, a shower here and a bathroom here, full enclosure, and so if he was taking a shower you couldn’t see if you were in the bedroom unless you walked down the hall, and I never went in the bathroom when he would shower because he was just private about it, you know. It’s not like we were a married couple ever. We had a time when we did something and then after that it was …you know…we weren’t a couple, you know…


FO: Are you saying that those pictures were taken without his consent?


JA: I’m just saying that whoever took those pictures must have, I mean it’s hard to imagine because I got pictures of him once shaving and he was already weird about that.


FO: Well, Jodi, when you say things like that, it’s obvious to me that you don’t want to do the right thing for the family, you don’t want to unburden yourself, you don’t want to give them closure, and you’re jerking my chain, because there’s no doubt, and I’ve already told you there’s no doubt in my mind or anybody else’s mind that you were responsible for his death....


JA: Well, the detective says he has pictures of me.


FO: Mmm hmmm. I’ve seen those pictures. They were taken the same day.

JA: Well, certainly not the same time.


FO: Within the same time frame.

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JA: Yesterday Detective Flores asked me if I wanted to see those pictures, and I told him no.


FO: Mmm hmm. Do you think that’s going to help you?


JA: I don’t know.


FO: Well, let me tell you what. Let me check and see if we can get you some pictures to look at.


JA: He had a whole binder of stuff. If they were all pictures, I don’t know.


FO: Yeah, there are a lot of pictures.


FO: I’ll be right back.

 

[Hope4More]

Cutting to the chase...


The asked Flores one last time if she could see "the photos," he refused, she began telling the ninja story, trying to incorporate everything she'd gleaned from Flores, including that he believed TA was shot first.

So many lies to tell and to keep track of, including whether or not the female ninja was wielding a knife or gun or both.

Maybe that's why when asked what the ninjas were wearing she replied: "one was dressed all in black, and the other was wearing jeans."

So much for those striped zippered pants. Whoops.

 

[geevee]

Cutting to the chase...


The asked Flores one last time if she could see "the photos," he refused, she began telling the ninja story, trying to incorporate everything she'd gleaned from Flores, including that he believed TA was shot first.

So many lies to tell and to keep track of, including whether or not the female ninja was wielding a knife or gun or both.

Maybe that's why when asked what the ninjas were wearing she replied: "one was dressed all in black, and the other was wearing jeans."

So much for those striped zippered pants. Whoops.

The poor girl just couldn't keep her lies straight.

Thanks for the refresher Hope, I guess she thought she was milking Flores like a cow getting so many details to use in her 'I didn't do it' stories, and gosh, not a one of them worked. lol

 

[RickshawFan]

Regarding the pants.....EF asks a vague question about whether she has athletic pants with stripes. No color mentioned. keeps trying to say she has white pants with a black stripe. Two pairs. She's talking white pants. DF ignores her claims about the color she owns and just talks black.

I could watch this interrogation over and over.

DF makes clear to her that he's capable of lying. has no way to anticipate what exactly he knows about anything. She easily gives things away as a result.

Then, he suggests two participants and immediately reverts to one: . Bwahaha! She builds her lie on the wrong possibility and we get the ninja story.

The journey story from Pasadena to Nevada is one hot mess. EF quite adds to the mess! He gets right into route numbers and vague map gestures. She has no way to know if this is BS or real. In those situations, she gets all florid. She throws out versions of her story as though they are multiple choice quiz: pick one.This characteristic of her lack of intelligence always reveals her as a liar since they can't all be true. And then, she's hell bent on making EF wrong no matter how disadvantageous it is to her. She thinks she's the cat, when she's the mouse.