Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #7

[RickshawFan]

Regarding the photos... EF keeps flipping through that book as though there are so many incriminating photos in there, he can't figure out which to pick...You know it's already been chosen in advance, maybe even by a committee.

I love how EF even lets her chase her tail on the guilt topic and then makes clear it's all a lie 'cos it's all so illogical. And then, it's very controlling to claim you know when another person is lying even about their feelings, IMO. Plus, this is just one exchange that EF uses to show she has no control of her situation. He keeps making statements about what's going to happen to her going forward. There actually will be no positive outcome for her even if she cooperates.

 

[RickshawFan]

After the interrogation, my next favorite episode in this story is the cross of ALV. I could watch that over and over, too. ALV lies as stupidly and floridly as though not as fancifully.

 

[Wing Ding]

DF: "There’s so much evidence in that house. So much… and it all points to you."

JA: "I…I lived there. I was there for months and months and months."


Yes, months and months. Uninvited, unwanted and unwelcome. And reluctantly (and out of guilt) only when you peeled your clothes off.

That's the reason Travis was constantly cleaning his house after all of your housecalls -- to rid the place of your DNA.

 

[RickshawFan]

DF: "There’s so much evidence in that house. So much… and it all points to you."

JA: "I…I lived there. I was there for months and months and months."


Yes, months and months. Uninvited, unwanted and unwelcome. And reluctantly (and out of guilt) only when you peeled your clothes off.

That's the reason Travis was constantly cleaning his house after all of your housecalls -- to rid the place of your DNA.

I'm not sure ever felt guilt about anything. I believe EF's interrogation indicates he didn't believe so either.

Great point about TA's fastidiousness. Was there any mention of her DNA even found in the house that wasn't related to the murder? TA even seemed hell-bent on cleaning up that day after he thought she'd left, after the sex. He erased every sign of her, including washing the linens and his own underwear. Coffee cups? Breakfast? Candy wrappers? Trash? He thought she'd erased the photos, or maybe he erased those and she noticed this later (this would have made her livid). He was vacuuming.

never lived at TA's house. EF knows that's fantasy.

I love EF's tidbit that the photos are blurry because they're copies, when they're almost certainly blurry by design.

And then there's EF's claim about the sex photos that he "doesn't want to put [her] out there like that." As though her privates will at that moment be broadcasted for the whole world to see so he has to be discreet. LMAO. Side comment: her privates were no longer going to be private in any manner of speaking, starting that very day, courtesy of corrections...

I have always marveled at how much EF knew about the case and the "real TA" and the extent of ' fantasies by the time the arest and interrogation took place. He really did have most of the case details by then, and it was an enormous amount of information. Does anyone know if he gathered all this stuff himself? He hadn't started working the case with JM yet, correct?

What do we make of ' statement that EF had so much information that he would't need a prosecutor? Is she trying to make as though this is all a very intimate and private conversation with EF that wouldn't be shared with anyone else? She must have been really shocked when the FO came in, sat down, and started asking questions. So much for her special status with Flores. Delusional.

Have any inmates in the Yreka jail talked about ' first night?

 

[Val1]

I'm not sure ever felt guilt about anything. I believe EF's interrogation indicates he didn't believe so either.

Great point about TA's fastidiousness. Was there any mention of her DNA even found in the house that wasn't related to the murder? TA even seemed hell-bent on cleaning up that day after he thought she'd left, after the sex. He erased every sign of her, including washing the linens and his own underwear. Coffee cups? Breakfast? Candy wrappers? Trash? He thought she'd erased the photos, or maybe he erased those and she noticed this later (this would have made her livid). He was vacuuming.

never lived at TA's house. EF knows that's fantasy.

I love EF's tidbit that the photos are blurry because they're copies, when they're almost certainly blurry by design.

And then there's EF's claim about the sex photos that he "doesn't want to put [her] out there like that." As though her privates will at that moment be broadcasted for the whole world to see so he has to be discreet. LMAO. Side comment: her privates were no longer going to be private in any manner of speaking, starting that very day, courtesy of corrections...

I have always marveled at how much EF knew about the case and the "real TA" and the extent of ' fantasies by the time the arest and interrogation took place. He really did have most of the case details by then, and it was an enormous amount of information. Does anyone know if he gathered all this stuff himself? He hadn't started working the case with JM yet, correct?

What do we make of ' statement that EF had so much information that he would't need a prosecutor? Is she trying to make as though this is all a very intimate and private conversation with EF that wouldn't be shared with anyone else? She must have been really shocked when the FO came in, sat down, and started asking questions. So much for her special status with Flores. Delusional.

Have any inmates in the Yreka jail talked about ' first night?

BBM - I like this quote of hers which rather handily dispelled all her journal fantasies to the contrary: " It’s not like we were a married couple ever. We had a time when we did something and then after that it was …you know…we weren’t a couple, you know…"

 

[Wing Ding]

I'm not sure ever felt guilt about anything. I believe EF's interrogation indicates he didn't believe so either.

Great point about TA's fastidiousness. Was there any mention of her DNA even found in the house that wasn't related to the murder?

I agree, of course, but what I meant to say was that she was never really invited, welcome or wanted in his house, and it was only out of Travis' reluctance that he allowed her inside his house at all (and then his subsequent guilt for him doing so -- especially if there was any physical activity). Because not only did she corrupt him physically and spiritually, she also wasted a lot of his time in general just being there socially -- not including le drama du jour.

Also... the only DNA left behind by her that I remember hearing about was her left palm print on the bath hallway wall and a strand (or two) of her hair somewhere on the bathroom's tile floor. And that was it. Nothing in the rest of the house or the garage where she claimed to have lived for months and months. Just the bath and hallway. The bath and hallway where Travis was killed.

 

[salberg7]

The FO did inadvertantly give the killer material to formulate her ninja story, IMO, but that is probably inevitable when an interrogator is conducting an interview to gather information. She gave her the idea to write Travis' family a letter as well.
I would have liked to be a fly on the wall of the killer's cell that first night she was incarcerated between the "I wasn't there" scenario of day 1 vs the ninja story she offered the next day. All the information she gathered from DF's first interview had to fit into her ninja narrative the next day. Yes IMO she began to sow the seeds of a domestic violence defense that first night in jail.
If she was smart, she could have confessed to Flores the next day stating she did kill him but in self defense. Things would have progressed quite differently for her after that. But again, she really isn't that intelligent. She had a month to rewrite history in her journal but didn't have the smarts to formulate a defense because she knew she was guilty as heck.
To think this interrogation was only 5 weeks after she murdered Travis, I am sure the details of the killing were fresh in her mind. I wonder if she felt any remorse then or if she was so caught up in not getting arrested she had no feelings except self preservation. Then I think back to the picture she took at the Shakespeare Othello play when she took a picture with the actor. She wasn't looking remorseful then.
Thank you Hope for your interrogation posts. I am going to have to watch those again as they were quite interesting.

 

[Hope4More]

The FO did inadvertantly give the killer material to formulate her ninja story, IMO, but that is probably inevitable when an interrogator is conducting an interview to gather information. She gave her the idea to write Travis' family a letter as well.
I would have liked to be a fly on the wall of the killer's cell that first night she was incarcerated between the "I wasn't there" scenario of day 1 vs the ninja story she offered the next day. All the information she gathered from DF's first interview had to fit into her ninja narrative the next day. Yes IMO she began to sow the seeds of a domestic violence defense that first night in jail.
If she was smart, she could have confessed to Flores the next day stating she did kill him but in self defense. Things would have progressed quite differently for her after that. But again, she really isn't that intelligent. She had a month to rewrite history in her journal but didn't have the smarts to formulate a defense because she knew she was guilty as heck.
To think this interrogation was only 5 weeks after she murdered Travis, I am sure the details of the killing were fresh in her mind. I wonder if she felt any remorse then or if she was so caught up in not getting arrested she had no feelings except self preservation. Then I think back to the picture she took at the Shakespeare Othello play when she took a picture with the actor. She wasn't looking remorseful then.
Thank you Hope for your interrogation posts. I am going to have to watch those again as they were quite interesting.

I don't believe the has ever felt one iota of remorse. IMO what she meant when she said (repeatedly) "I didn't take his life" was that Travis had forfeited his own life by trying to eject her from it.

Also IMO, the clearly articulated her bottom line to Flores, that if she were to confess to murdering Travis she wouldn't have a life and her "reputation" would be damaged. So, no confession.

I think she originally went with ninjas rather than self defense simply because she flat out refused to accept any responsibility whatsoever for murdering Travis, and because the possibility of being caught hadn't even occurred to her before being presented with the photos Flores previously told her had been destroyed.

About the FO. IMO what the FO did seem to (unintentionally) contribute to the 's thinking was the realization she could use the media to shape perceptions of herself and the murder itself.

Hats off to the FO if that's the case, because both Nurmi and JM have said those initial interviews she rushed into were extremely damaging to her case and credibility, lol.

 

[Hope4More]

I'm not sure ever felt guilt about anything. I believe EF's interrogation indicates he didn't believe so either.

Great point about TA's fastidiousness. Was there any mention of her DNA even found in the house that wasn't related to the murder? TA even seemed hell-bent on cleaning up that day after he thought she'd left, after the sex. He erased every sign of her, including washing the linens and his own underwear. Coffee cups? Breakfast? Candy wrappers? Trash? He thought she'd erased the photos, or maybe he erased those and she noticed this later (this would have made her livid). He was vacuuming.

never lived at TA's house. EF knows that's fantasy.

I love EF's tidbit that the photos are blurry because they're copies, when they're almost certainly blurry by design.

And then there's EF's claim about the sex photos that he "doesn't want to put [her] out there like that." As though her privates will at that moment be broadcasted for the whole world to see so he has to be discreet. LMAO. Side comment: her privates were no longer going to be private in any manner of speaking, starting that very day, courtesy of corrections...

I have always marveled at how much EF knew about the case and the "real TA" and the extent of ' fantasies by the time the arest and interrogation took place. He really did have most of the case details by then, and it was an enormous amount of information. Does anyone know if he gathered all this stuff himself? He hadn't started working the case with JM yet, correct?

What do we make of ' statement that EF had so much information that he would't need a prosecutor? Is she trying to make as though this is all a very intimate and private conversation with EF that wouldn't be shared with anyone else? She must have been really shocked when the FO came in, sat down, and started asking questions. So much for her special status with Flores. Delusional.

Have any inmates in the Yreka jail talked about ' first night?

Personally, I think her comments about the prosecutor and the case against her being ironclad were sarcastic retorts, the same kind of thing she sometimes couldn't refrain herself from doing on the stand when she thought JM had scored a point against her.

Same thing with her comment about the timing of photos and the shower. I finally noticed the context for a reply I've found odd.

Flores says (deliberately or accidentally) that the photos taken of sex came AFTER the shower photos. She replies-" well, it couldn't have been very soon after."

sarcasm, or just an expression by her of arrogant, sociopathic disdain.

 

[Hope4More]

BBM - I like this quote of hers which rather handily dispelled all her journal fantasies to the contrary: " It’s not like we were a married couple ever. We had a time when we did something and then after that it was …you know…we weren’t a couple, you know…"

That hit me too.

This portion is one of those perhaps better seen on tape than read from transcripts. I think the was inadvertently saying the two of them shared precious little actual intimacy, and none that carried over after a romp of whatever sort on his bed.

And yeah, that single " we weren't a couple " comment sure did lay bare a wasteland of her lies.

 

[Hope4More]

FWIW, someone on Twitter who has been reliably sane and thoughtful throughout tweeted she contacted Perryville directly and was told that the is indeed sharing a cell now, but that they wouldn't release her cellie's name.

The child-murderer breathing the same air as the and other bottom feeders elsewhere have said the was moved to that shared cell, rather than a cellie being moved into the 's cage.

The new cell is the same size as her old cell. She now has to share a space she said, with great bitterness at trial, is smaller than Travis's closet. I can't imagine how the who thinks she's a goddess will find it tolerable to have absolutely no privacy whatsoever, no place to retreat, and no place she can ever feel safe in or not contantly on guard.

It's a start.

 

[geevee]

That hit me too.

This portion is one of those perhaps better seen on tape than read from transcripts. I think the was inadvertently saying the two of them shared precious little actual intimacy, and none that carried over after a romp of whatever sort on his bed.

And yeah, that single " we weren't a couple " comment sure did lay bare a wasteland of her lies.

Yes, that line has always stuck out to me and probably was the first shading of doubt I had about the sex romp on the 4th. If her hair color in the pics didn't so closely resembled what she colored it to in late March I might have even doubted her statement that the last time they'd played was in April.

 

[Hope4More]

Yes, that line has always stuck out to me and probably was the first shading of doubt I had about the sex romp on the 4th. If her hair color in the pics didn't so closely resembled what she colored it to in late March I might have even doubted her statement that the last time they'd played was in April.

Late March, anyway. . That 1st week in April was about keeping her out of the house and making sure she took her sorry arse out of Mesa.

Anyway.....My DH and DS are up in Vermont for a week, fishing and visiting, and I've had time to indulge myself in all things crime and trial ( ), including watching videos of H. Neuman's retrial.

Am I missing the obvious? Because I can't find a thread for it on WS.

 

[geevee]

Late March, anyway. . That 1st week in April was about keeping her out of the house and making sure she took her sorry arse out of Mesa.

Anyway.....My DH and DS are up in Vermont for a week, fishing and visiting, and I've had time to indulge myself in all things crime and trial ( ), including watching videos of H. Neuman's retrial.

Am I missing the obvious? Because I can't find a thread for it on WS.

Oh yay, glad you're able to catch up on the Neuman trial! Here's the thread:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...erman-shot-to-death-at-a-Dunwoody-preschool-6

P.S. Andrea (Rusty's wife) had her trial already, CourtChatter has the archives of that on YouTube, I didn't start watching it until near the end so have been catching up on it in between Hemy's court days. lol

 

[Niner]

snipped by me...
DF: Do you remember taking these pictures?
JA: There were many pictures. I… Vaguely. There were…we took tons and tons of pictures. Some I saved and most we deleted. Umm…Some he sent me through his phone.

:thinking: did she have "some" of these pictures on "her" phone/computer? "Some he sent me thru his phone" ?? Just thinking out loud... because of this:

snipped by me...
JA: Well, prior to him getting his camera all of those pictures were on my camera. Umm…so,
DF: All these same pictures?
JA: Umm…I don’t know. I don’t know.

?? I don't know what to make of this? Same pictures?

snipped by me...
DF: You’re saying somebody took your pictures or your card and is framing you and put that into his camera and…
JA: No, no, no, no. I’m just saying that if… if my memory cards were left at his house he could…he would have used those for his camera. I don’t know. I don’t know.

So.... did she bring a bunch of memory cards, and left one by mistake? Wasn't there 2 memory cards found in/around the washer? My memory has gone...

snipped by me...
DF: That’s how you want to leave this? I wouldn’t want to. I seriously would not want to. You need to come out and tell me why this happened. I will not accept any other excuses. I will just move on with my investigation with my final report submitting all the conclusions and all the evidence and we can just let a judge and jury decide. You yourself said that if you were in my shoes you would think that I was guilty. We can leave it in the hands of a jury…
JA: What about a lie detector test?
JA: You’re so weird anyway. (Sighs)

but somehow I found this :floorlaugh:

snipped by me...
FO: Are you saying that those pictures were taken without his consent?
JA: I’m just saying that whoever took those pictures must have, I mean it’s hard to imagine because I got pictures of him once shaving and he was already weird about that.

So, she DID sneak up on him when he was in shower and took those pictures... that would explain the expressions on his face.

snipped by me...
To think this interrogation was only 5 weeks after she murdered Travis, I am sure the details of the killing were fresh in her mind. I wonder if she felt any remorse then or if she was so caught up in not getting arrested she had no feelings except self preservation. Then I think back to the picture she took at the Shakespeare Othello play when she took a picture with the actor. She wasn't looking remorseful then.
Thank you Hope for your interrogation posts. I am going to have to watch those again as they were quite interesting.

I'd have to say "self preservation". Yes, that picture shows NO remorse whatsoever, also according to her elucution (sp?) at the end of horrid trial! "He was concious when I slit his throat" - or there abouts!

And YES! :tyou: Hope for posting these!

 

[RickshawFan]

Personally, I think her comments about the prosecutor and the case against her being ironclad were sarcastic retorts, the same kind of thing she sometimes couldn't refrain herself from doing on the stand when she thought JM had scored a point against her.

Same thing with her comment about the timing of photos and the shower. I finally noticed the context for a reply I've found odd.

Flores says (deliberately or accidentally) that the photos taken of sex came AFTER the shower photos. She replies-" well, it couldn't have been very soon after."

sarcasm, or just an expression by her of arrogant, sociopathic disdain.

I don't see that EF had the sex photos after the shower.

The more I see this tape, the more things I notice. This time, I notice how many details EF makes contradictory. She has no way to build lies off him and be assured they're going to fool anyone. He lets her fill in details alot, doesn't give specifics although thinks he has (she's quick to "mind read" and gets it wrong). He ignores what she says and keeps going with reality, like her babbling on about white pants and then pretty much acting as though she said she owned black pants. There's a whole different dance going on in the interrogation than she has a clue about.

Her statement that EF is "weird" should pretty much tell her that she can't figure him out. He on purpose is "weird": ambiguous, jumping around, giving out contradictory details, lying, alternating between acting like a confidante and the worst thing that could ever happen to her. It's much harder to notice EF's "games" than '.

I think maybe I'll have to watch these tapes again.

 

[nwmouse]

Looks like the JA appellate fund has been suspended. Does anyone know why or what happened?

 

[krkrjx]

Looks like the JA appellate fund has been suspended. Does anyone know why or what happened?

As in, they are not taking donations anymore?

Who is this information coming from?

 

[Hope4More]

About that Bryce street near TA's house where I think she may have parked on June 4 (for some while at least, though she may also have pulled into his driveway after she knew both his roommates had left).

During her second phone interview with Flores (June 2008) she told him that in the week before she left Mesa she had parked her UHaul "on a little street just past Travis's house, around the corner."

There's only one street near TA's house matching that description - Bryce.

First photo: TA's house is on the left-hand side, 3 houses up from the corner (Bryce and E. Queensborough).

Second: Another view of that corner, to give an idea how short her walk would be between Bryce and his house (though long enough to dye her hair in case she was spotted somehow).

 

[Hope4More]

Looks like the JA appellate fund has been suspended. Does anyone know why or what happened?

That "news" appeared onTwitter. Soon afterwards, the alleged criminal behind a well known scam and nasty-ugly website identified with the 's appeal fund- scam posted that the appeal site was experiencing"technical difficulties," lol.

All signs point to the reality that the isn't profitable anymore to anyone, with the possible exception of trash tabloids. It cost money to keep a website going, and it takes the time of someone who's still interested enough for whatever reason to at least pay their web hosting bills.

I'm guessing a bill went unpaid.