Sentencing and beyond- Jodi Arias General Discussion #1

[Hez]

Executive summary of the investigation into leaking of juror names was just released. Bottom line.....JSS ruled out court staff as source of leak, accepted the investigator's opinion that the source can't be determined, and that is the end of that. Investigation over, issue dead.

BTW, emphasis was on release of holdout juror's name, not the 11 on JAA.

BBM - That really ticks me off! J17's husband courted the media, so I have no sympathy for her at all. The emphasis should have been how the 11 jurors names ended up on a support site for the killer! :tantrum:

 

[LinTX]

Noticed that the foreman of this last phase was asked on twitter if anyone w/ this investigation had questioned him. He says nope, which didn't surprise me at all. The only investigation was to see if there was anything that could implicate a court employee - that attorney chosen specializes in defending gov't agencies. Once the attorney realized that the records had been left open for a short time, that was all she wrote because now they can say anyone could have done it. Of course, whether or not anyone actually requested & paid for that record is still unknown, but I tend to doubt anyone did. I'm hoping that the DA's office might care a bit more about a criminal act than JSS seemed to - maybe they will find something?

 

[Zuri]

Where is that jailhouse report or did I miss it? TIA

 

[GigiG]

Noticed that the foreman of this last phase was asked on twitter if anyone w/ this investigation had questioned him. He says nope, which didn't surprise me at all. The only investigation was to see if there was anything that could implicate a court employee - that attorney chosen specializes in defending gov't agencies. Once the attorney realized that the records had been left open for a short time, that was all she wrote because now they can say anyone could have done it. Of course, whether or not anyone actually requested & paid for that record is still unknown, but I tend to doubt anyone did. I'm hoping that the DA's office might care a bit more about a criminal act than JSS seemed to - maybe they will find something?

I keep seeing people postulating that it was MDLR who leaked the names. I dunno, but I think it was more likely JA when she was acting pro per...

 

[ElleElle]

Did anyone other than CMJA ever accuse Travis of being a pedophile? Did the parents of any children try to have him charged with a crime, independently of the murder case? I think I know the answer to this question, but after reading the email Skye Hughes wrote to Kirk Nurmi, it made me wonder.

The Hughes were naive and believed Nurmi about the pedo allegations. They assumed they could trust Nurmi et al due to the fake pedo letters. They retracted their statement after contacting Juan.

And besides, why would a pedo continue to have sex with a crazy stalker ex girlfriend?

 

[Hez]

I keep seeing people postulating that it was MDLR who leaked the names. I dunno, but I think it was more likely JA when she was acting pro per...

I don't think Jodi was still acting pro per when the jury was selected. I think she got the names from someone on her defense team who is not a member of the bar, ahem, and gave them to one of supporters during a video chat. :moo:

 

[LinTX]

Troy Hayden said he thinks (and I agree) it was from a "master list" based on the info in it - like full names, addresses, etc. That is the list that was limited to 6 copies. JA shouldn't have had that list at all.

 

[Hope4More]

My bet would be who leaked the holdout's name is all that they asked to have investigated. Bill M in his little speech said it would be investigated but he was or pretended to be under the impression #17 was being threatened (because, you know, she was hollered at in social media). I don't think anyone took the JA supporters seriously in their verbal vomit hurled toward the 11 jurors who got it right; probably didn't take any of the social media mess seriously but had to put up the pretense of being concerned about #17.

I agree 100%.

JSS wanted to clear Janet, and a nod in the direction of due diligence was necessary to clean up the juror 17 mess--because in part because she had hired an attorney. Nothing else was ever really on the table, IMO.

A no-fault result best served the DA's and the court's mutual interest in making all things CMJA go away. No desire to dwell on the wreckage.

What a cast of characters, after all. A timid Constitution-defying judge, a tarty unethical mitigation specialist, two shameless whiny vindictive defense attorneys fixated on *advertiser censored*, stealth jurors, anonymous witnesses, and a tough talking sheriff who in reality either looked the other way, couldn't control his inmate, or who wasn't paying attention to his inmate's routine violations of his rules.

Toss in a few million dollars out of AZ's budget spent on that freak show and it's no wonder they are all hoping for fog.

BTW, I'm guessing that's why Sheriff Joe's report is being delayed. Referred to the DA means filing it away for a nice long while (It's already been weeks longer than necessary)
until even fewer folks are paying attention to anything CMJA.

 

[Hope4More]

Troy Hayden said he thinks (and I agree) it was from a "master list" based on the info in it - like full names, addresses, etc. That is the list that was limited to 6 copies. JA shouldn't have had that list at all.

Court personnel were investigated and cleared, therefore MDLR and CMJA are the only two possible culprits. I have no doubt MDLR would--if cornered--pin blame on CMJA. Then what? Can't tack on any years to a LWOP sentence.

 

[Hez]

Troy Hayden said he thinks (and I agree) it was from a "master list" based on the info in it - like full names, addresses, etc. That is the list that was limited to 6 copies. JA shouldn't have had that list at all.

How hard would it have been to investigate the actual JAII website where that information first appeared? I can't believe how lame this 'investigation' turned out. :facepalm:

 

[geevee]

Thanks, Geevee. .

I took a long break too- including a self-imposed exile from posting or even reading here. It IS lovely, isn't it, to not be breathing in her ugliness?

About "remembering" during sentencing. I'm pretty sure I read that Wilmott said in her interview afterwards that CMJA had planned on testifying she HAD "remembered" more of that day.

AZL thought the DT may have provided her written testimony to the court, for appeals. (what she would have said, you know, if she hadn't been so afraid ). Some years down the road that garbage might be part of a public record. Or not.

Whatever. I'm beginning to think it's possible the realities of Perryville are catching up to her. She's gonna have to morph into bad arse inmate if she wants to survive, and the real bad arses don't seem to take kindly to her being infamous. Maybe that means we can look forward to many months of a muzzled murderer.

(BBM) I noticed and was silently boohooing. But am all smiles now.

I couldn't bring myself to watch any of JW's interviews, I do wonder when this epiphany of remembrance suddenly supposedly stuck JA and to what extent her recollection was/is - hopefully it will become public at some point, along with the original digital images of the camera pics (please!!) and the unsealing of all of everything sealed, she's been sentenced, what's the point of keeping it under wraps? I hope we don't have to wait until her appeals are over. I can however look forward to many months of not hearing from or seeing her.

 

[krkrjx]

Whether she blocked it all out and remembered it later on or in bits and pieces, or whatever, is really not relevant to her trial or appeals. If she really forgot it all and remembered any of it as time passed I would expect her to be with each memory truly horrified at her actions, contrite and expressing remorse. She wasn't. If she never forgot a thing but pretended to just to help her case, I would expect to see some faked horror and/or remorse along with the fake memories. There was none.

My take: She remembered every single detail, never was and never will be contrite, and will continue to lie until she draws her last breath.

 

[LinTX]

Court personnel were investigated and cleared, therefore MDLR and CMJA are the only two possible culprits. I have no doubt MDLR would--if cornered--pin blame on CMJA. Then what? Can't tack on any years to a LWOP sentence.

Glad to see you back, btw, but I don't agree that anyone was cleared in this "investigation". Yes, the article says that, but how were they (meaning Janet of course) cleared definitively? Wonder why the report isn't being made available, I'd like to read it. I don't personally think there was an investigation beyond documenting that the record was unsealed for a time, so they could say it could have been anyone. Was OK putting it out there that it could have been a juror, but no one questioned the jurors (who were not on the list to get a copy btw). I'd also like to know what kind of records are kept when court docs are requested and purchased.

 

[Hez]

Glad to see you back, btw, but I don't agree that anyone was cleared in this "investigation". Yes, the article says that, but how were they (meaning Janet of course) cleared definitively? Wonder why the report isn't being made available, I'd like to read it. I don't personally think there was an investigation beyond documenting that the record was unsealed for a time, so they could say it could have been anyone. Was OK putting it out there that it could have been a juror, but no one questioned the juror's (who were not on the list to get a copy btw). I'd also like to know what kind of records are kept when court docs are requested and purchased.

BBM - So you're telling me that Judge Sherry Seals Everything failed to seal the record of the jurors names 'for a time'? That still doesn't explain how the list of the 11 jurors full names and addresses only ended up on JAII. I can't believe the defense team was allowed to waste taxpayer money and hours and hours of court time on computer investigations just so they could smear the victim in this case. Yet, when a serious breach of jury integrity happens, they can't even be bothered to do a proper investigation? How hard would it have been for them to start at JAII, the ONLY place with the 11 jurors names, and follow the electronic trail backwards from there? Anyway, I hope MDLR is aware that even though this investigation failed to 'pinpoint' anything, she is the number one suspect in pretty much everyone's eyes. She already was caught smuggling that pinwheel drawing out of the jail to help with the killer's art sales (which was incredibly unethical and unprofessional), so it's not a stretch that she would bend other rules on behalf of her bestie. :gaah:

 

[geevee]

Whether she blocked it all out and remembered it later on or in bits and pieces, or whatever, is really not relevant to her trial or appeals. If she really forgot it all and remembered any of it as time passed I would expect her to be with each memory truly horrified at her actions, contrite and expressing remorse. She wasn't. If she never forgot a thing but pretended to just to help her case, I would expect to see some faked horror and/or remorse along with the fake memories. There was none.

My take: She remembered every single detail, never was and never will be contrite, and will continue to lie until she draws her last breath.

LOL Agreed, I was speaking to the *story* of her not remembering/remembering, I have always believed she remembered every second of that day from the moments they occurred. Her 'not remembering' was just a ploy to not be questioned by JM on why she did what she did and in such a cruel and overkill manner.

 

[LinasK]

Who is Janet???:waitasec:

 

[krkrjx]

LOL Agreed, I was speaking to the *story* of her not remembering/remembering, I have always believed she remembered every second of that day from the moments they occurred. Her 'not remembering' was just a ploy to not be questioned by JM on why she did what she did and in such a cruel and overkill manner.

I know, geevee. I think we are all pretty much on the same page here at WS about her "fog" and other memory issues. I do, however, think that what she stated at her closing will have a negative impact on her in any and all upcoming legal ends that need to be tied up, including appeals. I think if there were to be any type of interpretation issue with appeals court judges, her words might help them arrive at a proper interpretation.

Her appeals will only fly if there is some judicial error that might have affected the verdict. Most trials have errors but most are not found to be of a nature that they would have such affect. IOW, most appeals are not successful in accomplishing the remedy sought.

 

[pacnwgal]

In case anyone is having JM withdrawals, I was watching this episode of 48 Hours Mystery and JM was interviewed and featured towards the end:

[video=youtube;XnbfK5ZtY-0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnbfK5ZtY-0[/video]
The Stranger Beside Me

 

[FelicityLemon]

I think it would be easy for CMJA to see and copy the list of jurors' info. During many attorney/client meetings, etc? This is assuming there were no copies other than the original six, she could see and copy. Technically, if done that way, people could swear that they didn't give her a copy of the list? Maybe I'm giving too much credit. I still can't help thinking the loose-lipped bailiff would have loved to leak it, though.

 

[Hope4More]

I have no doubt at all that she has always remembered every second of that day. I'm willing to bet that she in fact treasures her murder memories, and that she has spent many hundreds of hours in her jail cell recalling how good it made her feel to make Travis suffer.

I was shocked when she admitted the obvious at sentencing, but that's only because I thought she was incapable of telling the truth about anything, whatever the twisted reason for doing so.

Could someone please explain how her foul splutterings at sentencing could possibly hurt her direct appeal? Or her chances of post-conviction relief? What would the legal basis be for having them come at all anywhere along the line?

I don't see it. Am I missing something?