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Thanks. Researching things like this makes me dizzy, LOL. I never know where to look or what key words to use. Do we know what class her infraction is? Or did you post that and it went over my head? Wouldn't be the first time that has happened :/

I'm thinking B class, as above. It could be a C (e.g. phone infraction), but I have a feeling Big Bertha Warden will be looking for a serious smackdown, since JA hadn't progressed through the rewards system even before her latest "thumb-your-nose-at-justice" activity.

Was JA eating meals with other inmates? I thought she was in solitary already?

I'm thinking she gets solitary, no privileges (e.g. phone), they'll make her move cells (to throw her off), and they'll confiscate all her personal belongings for the time being. No books, no TV. She'll be back to the two standard-issue used orange jumpsuits with the used T-shirt. And they'll increase her shackle load.
 
Wow, wow, wow....

I still don't get the implications of the Archive folder, but clearly something is different about that batch of texts. Really interesting that TA doesn't have any texts left for a whole week. If Jodi diverted all of his texts to her GMail, could she have deleted TA's texts before they made it to the intended recipient?

Since she kept inserting herself into his life when he was interacting with other people, she'd have had to be "listening in" on his text messages with like, no lunch breaks.

Also, I realized JA was in Las Vegas, but I didn't quite take in that while with Gus, she had a dry run (even if only in reverse) for her escape route from Mesa, and plenty of material to weave into a story for EF.

Don't you think Jodi's "pleasuring himself" vocabulary is absurd? This is language for someone who would blush at the word "masturbation" as though it is "unseemly." Jodi talks about anal sex but needs a euphemism for masturbation? In a chat with someone she says she's "intimate" with? Come again? (Pun intended.) How Victorian and ALV-ish can you get?

Where does she get this rediculous language? A Barbara Cartland knock-off?

Wikisaurus synonyms https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wikisaurus:masturbate Bwahahaha! Thirty! Who'da thought?

Jodi is just so not cutting edge, so uninventive....

On the subject of sex.....I always thought it hilarious the way EF handled the language of sexual activity in his interrogation of Jodi. He's being frank and straightforward and unembroidered, and she was all acting coy and breathy. Just so....NOT!


:blushing: Ummm. Rickshaw, actually, that absurd Victorian euphemism was....mine, not hers. :blushing: LOL.. :)

She had no problem using the M word in her text. :D
 
I'm thinking B class, as above. It could be a C (e.g. phone infraction), but I have a feeling Big Bertha Warden will be looking for a serious smackdown, since JA hadn't progressed through the rewards system even before her latest "thumb-your-nose-at-justice" activity.

Was JA eating meals with other inmates? I thought she was in solitary already?

I'm thinking she gets solitary, no privileges (e.g. phone), they'll make her move cells (to throw her off), and they'll confiscate all her personal belongings for the time being. No books, no TV. She'll be back to the two standard-issue used orange jumpsuits with the used T-shirt. And they'll increase her shackle load.

You know...I find it a tad disturbing that she was in a position where she could commit the infraction in the first place. The authorities all supposedly knew before she even arrived what she was like and that they had to be on their toes around her. Sounds like someone dropped the ball.
 
Oh wow, that sure answers how she could read all of his texts without him knowing. Weird about that span of time without any outgoing text by him, think she deleted those (but why would she archive hers?)? Very strange. Very good find, Hope.


Here's one wildly speculative possibility why those texts were archived. If she did have access to all his texts she could have archived those she wanted to use against him, and have overlooked this little batch when she was cleaning up her digital snooping tracks (forgot to move them back out of archive folder).
 
I bet she's buried until after JM's book comes out....
No more visits from that talentless rapper/minion, ever. I hope all her other non-family visitors are put under more scrutiny too, because they are always willing to break the rules for her. :moo:
 
I'm thinking B class, as above. It could be a C (e.g. phone infraction), but I have a feeling Big Bertha Warden will be looking for a serious smackdown, since JA hadn't progressed through the rewards system even before her latest "thumb-your-nose-at-justice" activity.

Was JA eating meals with other inmates? I thought she was in solitary already?

I'm thinking she gets solitary, no privileges (e.g. phone), they'll make her move cells (to throw her off), and they'll confiscate all her personal belongings for the time being. No books, no TV. She'll be back to the two standard-issue used orange jumpsuits with the used T-shirt. And they'll increase her shackle load.

I'm still at a total loss as to how and why she's allowed to have cable TV, especially this early into her sentence.

FGS, many people struggle to pay their cable bills, and give up the service when the costs become too expensive. But she gets it for free???

Hearing her rattle off the many channels she gets made my head spin!

Hey, Arizona, state where you proudly tout conservative values, fiscal responsibility, and cost-cutting across-the-board. How about not using tax-payer dollars for criminals to have free access to media that law-abiding citizens pay for out-of-pocket?
 
:blushing: Ummm. Rickshaw, actually, that absurd Victorian euphemism was....mine, not hers. :blushing: LOL.. :)

She had no problem using the M word in her text. :D


Lol.
But I've heard her use that, and then ALV added to it. I assumed ALV got it from Jodi. What did Jodi say when she "caught TA pleasuring? himself" to the photo of the little boy? And didn't Juan then take the word and run with it? Since JM had no problem being raunchy, I thought he was a) manipulating ALV with seeming respect; b) just echoing her language although it seemed so out-of-touch with the general raunch; or c) mocking her by making her look even more old-fashioned. I bet the jury was secretly smirking.

ALV even felt obliged to state emphatically she wasn't "an expert in orgasms". Far be it from her to convey first-hand knowledge about getting one's jollies. And she thought she was a child of the '60's? LMAO! She never, ever figured out a) how ridiculous she was and b) she seems to think sex is an academic pursuit that requires "expertise" and c) how completely out of touch she was with anything to do with a case that included so much sexual language.

JM's interaction with ALV is spell-binding, IMO. I felt sorry for Samuels, 'cos he was just plain incompetent and out of his depth, but ALV was overtly prevaricating. Extremely dishonest, and she knew it, IMO. I felt, when she spoke, as though I was being sundae-topping-ed with a barrel of car oil. Uch.

PS I'm not sure a dyed in the wool Victorian would ever admit they knew anything about "self-pleasuring."
 
I'm still at a total loss as to how and why she's allowed to have cable TV, especially this early into her sentence.

FGS, many people struggle to pay their cable bills, and give up the service when the costs become too expensive. But she gets it for free???

Hearing her rattle off the many channels she gets made my head spin!

Hey, Arizona, state where you proudly tout conservative values, fiscal responsibility, and cost-cutting across-the-board. How about not using tax-payer dollars for criminals to have free access to media that law-abiding citizens pay for out-of-pocket?

YES!!! They should pay for their cable channels out of their commissary funds!
 
You know...I find it a tad disturbing that she was in a position where she could commit the infraction in the first place. The authorities all supposedly knew before she even arrived what she was like and that they had to be on their toes around her. Sounds like someone dropped the ball.


I believe she was entitled to a 15-minute phone call a week. There was probably a CO listening in on the phone conversation. But they might have had no way to know it was being recorded.

They might even have allowed her to shoot herself in the foot, 'cos there might have been other infractions that were less easy to prove. Imagine having it all on tape!

So far PV has been doing a good job at snuffing Jodi out, IMO. I think we should cut them a break on this one. Besides, all the power is in their hands: smackdown.
 
I'm still at a total loss as to how and why she's allowed to have cable TV, especially this early into her sentence.

FGS, many people struggle to pay their cable bills, and give up the service when the costs become too expensive. But she gets it for free???

Hearing her rattle off the many channels she gets made my head spin!

Hey, Arizona, state where you proudly tout conservative values, fiscal responsibility, and cost-cutting across-the-board. How about not using tax-payer dollars for criminals to have free access to media that law-abiding citizens pay for out-of-pocket?

I think she might have to pay for cable service. She has to pay for the TV's. She's on her third. She probably beat the first two to death, but as always, she blames it on someone else, in this case the TV manufacturers!
 
Arias on lock-down

Justice4Travis ‏@Justice4TravisA 1h1 hour ago
News filtering through - #JodiArias is on lockdown for the leaked jail call with rapper Kareem Williams.

:great: Oh good, someone finally utilized some actual form of discipline. First time in her life I'd gather? Just being behind bars is passive for her...

Does this mean 24 hour lockdown that lasts a day? I thought she was already at that kind of stage. Unless what it means is that she is moved to another cell that has no television (and I figure she'd sleep all day, 24 hour lockdown wouldn't mean much to her, Ms. martyr and all.. *cough*). Sorry, but I'd rid her of the television for a month or something, and ban the rapper entirely.

Edit: Ok, I got 24 hour when I did a simple google search on what prison lockdowns mean, apologies. And you know what, I don't believe they will be by the book with her, for some reason, she receives much leniency. I am not sure if they are afraid because she has not yet had her appeal...? And I say that despite Perryville's reputation... I mean, all those cable channels?
 
O/T a bit... Followed the first trial a bit but have been doing tons of reading since joining WS. Have read a couple of books already (can't remember the name/author---not enough coffee this morning) but have pre-ordered JM's book which is supposed to come out in a couple of weeks. Bring it on JM!
 
:great: Oh good, someone finally utilized some actual form of discipline. First time in her life I'd gather? Just being behind bars is passive for her...

Does this mean 24 hour lockdown that lasts a day? I thought she was already at that kind of stage. Unless what it means is that she is moved to another cell that has no television (and I figure she'd sleep all day, 24 hour lockdown wouldn't mean much to her, Ms. martyr and all.. *cough*). Sorry, but I'd rid her of the television for a month or something, and ban the rapper entirely.

Edit: Ok, I got 24 hour when I did a simple google search on what prison lockdowns mean, apologies. And you know what, I don't believe they will be by the book with her, for some reason, she receives much leniency. I am not sure if they are afraid because she has not yet had her appeal...? And I say that despite Perryville's reputation... I mean, all those cable channels?

Judging from how successfully Big Bertha Warden has been snuffing Jodi out it seems very unlikely to me that there'll be any kind of leniency at all.

PV is getting Jodi for the next 70 years. PV's job for lifers is to break them down for the first two years. It is very overt that this is their goal. They have already imposed severe discipline that's kept her out of the public eye. Remember the time she got her ventmate to make a public report on Jodi's condition via FB? IIRC, that's the only time she's been able to "say" anything in public at all: there was apparently a severe penalty for her and the ventmate both.

And then, although she's allowed to write letters, evidently at first they weren't passing with the censor, so they couldn't leave PV. And then, in all this time Jodi has been there, she has not earned an upgrade in their rewards system. She is still in Phase 1. This says a lot about how PV is taking a hard line with her and a lot about how Jodi is not being compliant. So far, it hasn't gotten her anywhere at all, except maybe racking up ill will with COs and the "take no prisoners" Warden.

There are always anti-psychotics if Jodi is still having illusions of grandeur or speaking like a goddess. I have a feeling she is not being compliant with medication, and this is part of the reason she's being held back in the rewards system.

I would guess that if Jodi is still trying to engage the public, she is floridly psychotic, since she hasn't figured out yet that Big Bertha Warden is not her mom or any of her other indulgent minders, like her art teacher who told her she has "talent".

I would guess the issue with the TV is quite complicated. For one thing, you can't put someone in solitary for an extended period without creating a very severe mental health issue, not to mention violating "cruel and unusual punishment" parameters. TV provides some human interaction, especially for those prisoners who can't read.

IMO, PV really won't want the liability of a lifer with a severe mental health issue if they can avoid it. That's just more trouble for CO's.

Inmates have to buy the TV's. I believe they also have to pay for cable, although maybe not initially. They pay with their job money. But I'm with you, I can't see why they have to have that many channels: it may be those channels are the basic cable package, so PV has no real control over the selection. (Cable company monopoly and all that.) And we have no idea how much the DOC actually pays for the package. Maybe it's free to them? Too bad prisoners don't have to pay per channel per month, even if it just goes to routine maintenance on their cells or pays for mop rental so they can clean up the mildew.

Finally, since when do we have to believe anything Jodi says? Why should we believe she has all those channels without independent verification?

I can't afford cable. Besides, I don't need it 'cos I do everything on the computer. Jodi will never have a computer: she's a toasted neanderthal for all time.

Now, here's to hoping inmates are charged for static channels. Those are part of the cable company's basic package of "services" in my region.
 
Here's one wildly speculative possibility why those texts were archived. If she did have access to all his texts she could have archived those she wanted to use against him, and have overlooked this little batch when she was cleaning up her digital snooping tracks (forgot to move them back out of archive folder).

That sounds very reasonable, I have little doubt she had ongoing access to his texts, the pattern of her texting him in the middle of him texting with other women is quite stark, just a little too much 'there' there for it to have always been coincidental. Thanks so much for discovering how she managed it, not being a cell-phoner I'm not aware of the ins and outs of the devices (still vying for dino of the year award lol). Oh, do you have any thoughts of why she still had a Helio on her list of coveted items yet had 2 of them through Gus? That just struck me curious.
 
I'm just curious, why are we referring to the Perryville Warden as "Big Bertha"? Seems like a derogatory name to call an individual who is doing an outstanding job.

At least in my neck of the woods, Big Bertha is what people call obese lesbian female inmates... Is there a positive incantation that I'm not aware of?

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That sounds very reasonable, I have little doubt she had ongoing access to his texts, the pattern of her texting him in the middle of him texting with other women is quite stark, just a little too much 'there' there for it to have always been coincidental. Thanks so much for discovering how she managed it, not being a cell-phoner I'm not aware of the ins and outs of the devices (still vying for dino of the year award lol). Oh, do you have any thoughts of why she still had a Helio on her list of coveted items yet had 2 of them through Gus? That just struck me curious.



The Helio was #1 on her wish list written on March 22, 2008, just over a week before she was due to leave Mesa.


I listened again to Gus S's testimony. I thought others had it mixed up when they've said she stayed with him on her way back to CA. Not really.

GS testified she told him in mid-late February 2008 that she was leaving Mesa. She called him on February 20 or so, telling him she and Travis had a bad argument and he invited her to Las Vegas. According to his testimony, he believed she was staying there on her way out of town.

When Nurmi asked about Gus giving her the Helio, Gus said he gave it to her because her other phone had been stolen. When JM asked again on cross, Gus said- well, I gave it to her because she needed one. We already know Gus lied about when he met with her in Pasadena, because she couldn't have arrived there on a weekday, and he couldn't have been picking up his kids from school on a weekend.

Also, Gus replied to JM's question of what were you doing in Pasadena with- I was going there to meet up with her. So- no kids (duh), and of more relevance-- they either made those arrangements to meet before she left Mesa or he dropped everything and raced to Pasadena when she told him her phone was stolen and pretty please, Gussy, what's a girl to do without one, especially one that can record conversations?

Since by his own testimony she called him at once a week or more, surely he would have recognized the number of her stolen or drowned or whatever lie phone?


Two other Gus-related points. She met him in Arizona after a presentation he did at a briefing in late 2007. In other words, she was in one of her most freaked-out periods and looking for prey. She introduced herself, of course, and asked for his help. Since she rarely to never bothered to actually try to sell PPL in late 2007 or early 2008, it would seem she was asking for some other kind of help.

Last, about those days worth of missing outgoing texts by Travis. Coincidence or not, they are precisely during the time not only when she was in Las Vegas, but during the time when she may have told Gus she was actually leaving Mesa. Maybe what's altogether missing and scrubbed in the texts is a time when he told her to get the hell out for a reason we haven't even heard about. And maybe she had a lot of doctoring of texts to do for that time to erase the evidence of what she'd done, which is why she archived a bunch of texts so that when she deleted his outgoing texts she didn't accidentally delete the sexual stuff she originally intended to use later.

(Or, Gus is a lying liar too and the DT solicited his lies to make it look like Travis called her while she was in Las Vegas, trying to leave Mesa, and he was abusive and persuasive and she was so abused and compliant she slunk on back. And if that's so, sorry, but Nurmi flat out suborned perjury, or Gus told the truth and the evidence of fight etc. was erased).


Just more speculation.....It was interesting, though, watching her this time while Gus was testifying. She did a little bit of her lizard lip licking- a tell for me of concern on her part, but mostly she was all head down and scribbling away and acting as if Gus was no importance to her whatsoever.
 
I'm still at a total loss as to how and why she's allowed to have cable TV, especially this early into her sentence.

FGS, many people struggle to pay their cable bills, and give up the service when the costs become too expensive. But she gets it for free???

Hearing her rattle off the many channels she gets made my head spin!

Hey, Arizona, state where you proudly tout conservative values, fiscal responsibility, and cost-cutting across-the-board. How about not using tax-payer dollars for criminals to have free access to media that law-abiding citizens pay for out-of-pocket?

She could be lying, no one outside would know.
 
Now that I know how to post photos here. The lying liar being caught in a lie look (Darryl's just said the Mormon missionaries came BEFORE she met Travis):
 

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I'm just curious, why are we referring to the Perryville Warden as "Big Bertha"? Seems like a derogatory name to call an individual who is doing an outstanding job.

At least in my neck of the woods, Big Bertha is what people call obese lesbian female inmates... Is there a positive incantation that I'm not aware of?

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I imagine it is due to 'Bertha's' reputation as a no-nonsense woman who has steel in her veins to some degree, comparable to reputation television has made of the male wardens. We don't really know if these wardens are so stringent anyhow... Many of them have social science degrees, I believe and have worked with prisoners before.

Anyhow, the right 'corrective' punishment for the situation, vs. excess, I thought JA deserved DP anyway but at this point... I am not against the occasional solitary move for her. She takes advantage of anything provided for her so removal of the items to think about her actions for once, I am totally ok with that. Her mental state is always ****** anyway, everything is abuse to her and she preemptively manages to negate corrective approach IMO (not referencing her current 'management' btw, I'm fine with any limitation at this point, the rapper was over the top for me - in line with her Boys and Girls Club actions last year). Anyway, I do think to go with corrective behavior as opposed to inhumane treatment is the way to go. Not so sure solitary is inhumane - it depends on the person, the duration of time spent, etc etc.

Anyway, here is an article specifically regarding their warden if anyone's interested. I believe it is Judy Frigo here:

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...dens-run-four-arizona-state-prisons/27905407/
 
I don't how I missed so much the first time around.

During JM cross of Darryl Brewer: she scoped out PPL in early spring 2006. By summer's end, 2006 (before September's convention in Las Vegas) she had:

1. gotten a boob job, telling Darryl the surgery, done in La Jolla, CA, cost $300.

2. She stopped paying her half of the bills (her half of the mortgage was $1,400 a month).

3. She'd asked Mormon missionaries to visit, and they did so multiple times by summer's end.

4. She'd told Darryl not to curse, etc. etc. Oh. And that they couldn't have sex anymore because she was saving herself for marriage.

5. According to Darryl, she'd already floated off into her "magical thinking" that PPL was going to make her prosperous. (Hint to D.- she wasn't talking about earning money herself through PPL).

What interests me about this isn't just that she obviously set out to hunt PPL high earners, it's that she absolutely specifically targeted Mormon PPL high earners. (Gus testified that the PPL regularly published a list of Executive Directors, categorized, basically, by how much $$ they earned. A shopping list for her, in other words).

She is a lying liar who only knows a few tricks, maybe because she's too lazy to learn more. I'm looking at her hunting preparations before Travis to gauge whether or not she was genuinely looking at Ryan Burns as prey, or if she turned to him as alibi as early as late April.
 
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