Looking through the items listed in the search warrants and came upon "My Science project" from BR's room does anyone have more information on this
Could we add that it is FACT that the Ramseys were indicted by a Grand Jury and what their charges were?
1. What sort of rumors/speculations did you hear initially?
2. What sort of facts were presented? What about suspects?
3. What was your gut instinct the Ramsey's or an intruder?
4. Did you base your suspicions on fact or fiction?
5. Has your conclusion changed over time? If so, based on what facts?
I was fairly young at the time, 11 or 12..I remember seeing some National Enquirer an odd aunt had brought over and left. It had photos of JB's bedroom, and it talked about how her mother had killed her in a fit of rage.
Hi there, I've been visiting this site for months now and I finally joined...greetings fellow websleuthers!
Okay so I was born in 1991 so obviously I was very young when the murder of JBR occurred. I remember hearing about the murder, seeing those tabloids and magazines in the grocery store, my parents talking about it, etc.
A few questions to help me get a better understanding:
1. What sort of rumors/speculations did you hear initially?
2. What sort of facts were presented? What about suspects?
3. What was your gut instinct the Ramsey's or an intruder?
4. Did you base your suspicions on fact or fiction?
5. Has your conclusion changed over time? If so, based on what facts?
The parents' touch DNA certainly could have transferred to JB's clothing. It is suspicious to note that it was never mentioned whether any R's touch DNA was present. Patsy claimed she put the longjohns on JB at bedtime. She would have HAD to touch them, and in the very spots the other DNA was found (waistband and legs) to pull them on her. And JR was SEEN by Det. Arndt holding JB with his hands around her waist as he carried her in an upright position from the basement. His touch DNA HAD to be there. Yet none was noted. Was it because it was never tested for? Or did the DA's office KNOW it was there and refused to release the information? BOTH parents' DNA HAD to have been there.
Touch DNA belonging to Patsy and BR was found on the bloodstained pink Barbie nightie that was on top of the white blanket she was found wrapped in. Patsy's is not surprising- though it may indicate that Patsy took that pink nightie OFF JB when it got bloodstained, it is not possible to prove that it didn't happen innocently. Every mother handles her kids' clothes. But BR's touch DNA on that nightie is harder to explain innocently.
Yes- the parents lived in the house and their DNA and fibers etc are expected to be there BUT the presence of their fibers and prints on items intimately connected to the crime, such as the tape, cord, panties, paint tote simply have no innocent explanation, IMO.
I was fairly young at the time, 11 or 12..I remember seeing some National Enquirer an odd aunt had brought over and left. It had photos of JB's bedroom, and it talked about how her mother had killed her in a fit of rage.
I remember the article highlighted certain items in her room, like body lotion and makeup, commenting that she was far too young to be in need of such things, which I found odd, bc being a young girl myself at the time, I remember always being into lotions, makeup, perfumes, nailpolish..all those girly things. At the time, I thought it was silly that they had given her mom such a hard time, and I didn't really buy into the accusations. My gut instinct was some weirdo creep had done something I didn't even wanna think about the little girl.
The next time I really heard more about it was when I was a teenager, maybe 15, and I watched the made for tv movie (parts of it) bc my parents had it on. I immediately thought the parents seemed very guilty, and pretty much decided they were. I had not been researching the case, and all of my suspicions were based on random things I happened to come across.
My biggest fear as a child was being kidnapped. I was almost paranoid about it. As I became a mother myself, my fear has become someone taking my child from me, so I feel deeply towards missing children. I've begun heavily researching certain cases, including this one. This one, maybe too much. My opinion isn't completely nailed down, but the more and more I research, the majority of the evidence has seemed to point to BR. One of the only things (that I can think of now) that trips me up is actually the one thing that most people use as their reason for believing his guilt/involvement: the enhanced 911 call, which I have listened to with amazing headphones.
I greatly researched the interior and exterior of the house, the neighborhood, the back alley..sat down one night and mentally played out what I think realistically happened (my personal BR theory) moment by moment, and everything made the best sense....until I got to the damn 911 call.
Although it's clear BR is on it, that is my entire problem. If BR is truly asking questions like "well, what did you find?" or "where did you find her?"..the fact that he is asking these questions means the parents didn't seem to have extensively grilled him. Yet, they had already gone to great lengths to cover everything up (if you believe they did so). The ransom note was already written and in PR's hands. Why do all this cover up to protect your child without very first screaming "Burke?! What did you do?! Why did you do this? What happened?" BR on the 911 call sounds clueless as to what his parents know.
So now...I'm somewhat back at square one :/ Also after learning there is actually a blue line connecting the marks on her body making them consistent with a taser. I had always believed one wasn't used. I had become pretty convinced the marks were most likely made by the ends of train set tracks. I have a hard time believing any of the Ramsey's would have used a taser.
Man, I really didn't wanna be an IDI, but I'm not sure where to go from here. (funny tho, that it was my gut instinct as a child) If I had to take a stance, BR is still good for it in many ways. If it's not him or LHP, I think I'd have to go with an unknown. Although, I still have questions about JMK..don't laugh!
Hello, I've been here before (in another thread). I recently ran across an old book I'd read about this case, as I was cleaning my storage room, which prompted me to come here for updates today. I'm sorry if this has been posed already, but I'm curious about something. I've heard that BR wouldn't have been charged with any crime, since he was under 10. So what would happen if it was already determined he was guilty? What if he even perhaps admitted it, or his parents did? That information couldn't be leaked, correct? Is it then at all possible that the case could already have been "solved" but nothing publicly reported?
Good question, Gabby66. Yes, if BR had confessed, that information would not be public knowledge. Some believe the case was solved, and that’s one reason why the DA didn’t prosecute the parents for child abuse leading to death. But there are some differing opinions on that.
I don’t know that I have the final answer on this, but I’ve thought about it numerous times, particularly in light of Kolar’s book and his AMA on Reddit. There are some other posters like otg who'd have a more in-depth perspective on this.
Even if the GJ thought BR was the likely suspect, Kolar does not seem to reinforce that it was proven. He has interpreted the Grand Jury True Bills as indicating that the parents were covering for someone. Kolar has seen the evidence as well as the GJ records, yet he is not stating that the case is solved. Of course, this could be for legal reasons. Yet in his book FF he conveys he thought the case could be brought to conclusion by issuing a warrant for BR’s medical records, perhaps believing that BR may have had some medical records of violence or sexual behavior problems. (The DA he worked with, ML, shot that idea down. Remember seven years after the GJ, the DA spent $30,000 to bring confessor JMK to Colorado for a DNA test, an egregious expenditure if she saw in the True Bills that BR had confessed.)
In 2010 two detectives tried to visit BR and find out if he had any interest in speaking with them again. His response was no and either he or his father contacted attorney (LW) to have LW tell the police BR had no interest in answering more questions. IOW, not just a “no”, but a “H**l no” response.
Also, in a podcast, Kolar said another step would be to impanel a Grand Jury to ask BR additional questions. If BR had confessed there wouldn’t be additional need for further actions, imo, especially since the SoL has passed on both child abuse and the cover up.
When the Detective who was managing the collection of evidence spoke in 2006 to reporter McKinley, he made a pretty startling statement. (This Detective also sat in on the GJ proceedings every time they met.) It’s his opinion that there is more evidence to review and that the BPD should not give up. However, currently most believe that the City of Boulder has no further interest in funding the review and testing of additional evidence, i.e., investigation of a case involving the Rs. The case is a very sore topic in Boulder.