Shannan Gilbert Found, death declared an accident. #2

[Seaslug44]

I know what caller ID is. My service provider only supplies details of long distance outgoing calls, the ones you have to pay for, in the bill. They don't include incoming or local calls.

In NY you can either login online and print the list of all incoming/outgoing calls or you can ask the carrier to mail them to you.

CPH did it and we know that the Gilbert's even did it for SG's cell phone account.

It is that last detail that bothers me because they posted copies of SG's phoe records online yet never a copy of MG's. If you want to argue that they were ordered to keep hush by police then they did not do such a good job at it. The findingSG website and the CPH LISK YouTube video were not exactly what the police would consider the silent treatment.

 

[hawkshaw]

How do we really know who called whom? If you want to make bigger square pegs fit round holes then how about this? Did you ever hear of SPOOFING? Leave it simple for now.

 

[hawkshaw]

State trooper fired for promoting Buffalo-area prostitution parties

By LARRY CELONA

Last Updated: 6:13 AM, June 23, 2012

Posted: 2:05 AM, June 23, 2012

















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A party-loving state trooper was fired yesterday for promoting wild soirees with prostitutes — and two more troopers were suspended in the scandal.

Titus Taggart, an 18-year veteran of the force, was brought up on departmental charges earlier this year and suspended without pay for moonlighting as the host of off-duty hooker bashes.

The investigation of Taggart, 41, began last December when State Police looked into suspicions that troopers were involved in a prostitution ring that imported hookers from Canada for parties in the Buffalo area, officials said.





A disciplinary hearing held last week resulted in a recommendation that he be kicked off the force, and yesterday State Police Superintendent Joseph D’Amico officially fired him. He could still face criminal charges.

Taggart, who had been assigned to Troop T in Buffalo, posted several photos on his Facebook page of himself dressed in gangster-style suits and posing with booze bottles and suggestively clad women.

He took down the page shortly after the scandal broke in April.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/..._trooper_0B2NOo4RWHUFlfMWozbIxJ#ixzz1ycUjZ6MD

 

[hawkshaw]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/party_ho_ver_for_state_trooper_0B2NOo4RWHUFlfMWozbIxJ

 

[Seaslug44]

Did you ever hear of SPOOFING?

Is that when someone constantly posts information, stories, and links to stories that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic of a discussion thread?

 

[Seaslug44]

Hey BKS,
I was referring to the 48 Hours promotion video posted just above my original post. If you look at the start of the clip, they show the Marker (cross) for SG and it is partly surrounded by water.
Why would anyone put a marker where her belonging were found? I am under the impression that they put markers where the body is found.
The issue with her clothes "could" be explained with science. Peter has mentioned it before, and I have been doing a lot of reading on Paradoxical Undressing. I read a report that 33% of deaths caused by Hypothermia shows signs of Paradoxical Undressing. 1/3 is significant. There is also another aspect to Paradoxical Undressing called Burrowing. This is where they person tries to burrow themselves in all sorts of crazy places trying to keep warm. It has thrown some investigations in the wrong direction where they believed foul play was involved. But after researching the Paradoxical Undressing and Burrowing angle, LE was able to rule out foul play.
For anyone out there, google Paradoxical Undressing. Either way, it is very interesting.

I have been reading about Paradoxical Undressing associated with drug induced paranoia too but every time we attempt to discuss it and give it a fair consideration, someone attacks me with the "stop blaming the victim" garbage.

I am inclined to think that the investigators have been exploring this angle too. The more I read about it, the more I realize that it is not a possibility that we can easily brush aside.

 

[Seaslug44]

Do we know if MP owned the vehicle he was driving? What if the drivers worked for the same company? For example... Arrow Transportation in Long Island City. Might be the limo/car services know quite a bit about the escort services?

These sort of possibilities are always worth exploring. I have been searching for some sort of link to the escort business that could tie the victims together.

Anyone know what type of SUV Pak was driving?

If it was an Escalade or a Navigator then it becomes more possible. Otherwise, Pak's title as "driver" may mean nothing more than him being a reliable guy with a truck, a full tank of gasoline and time on his hands to make a few bucks.

If it was an Escalade or a Navigator that would be interesting since there are a handful of car service companies around NYC who cater to high-end clients who need to travel discreetly and with protection. These companies have fleets of brand new Escalades and Navigators. Interestingly, many of them employee retired LE to be their drivers/bodyguards.

Whenever a large event like the movie festival is taking place you can often see these vehicles driving the movie producers around. They travel this way (instead of limousine) to draw less attention to themselves. At the United Nations you can find them too driving diplomats and leaders of foreign countries through the city in stealth mode (once the vehicles leave the UN they blend right in with other vehicles).

 

[Peter Brendt]

How do we really know who called whom? If you want to make bigger square pegs fit round holes then how about this? Did you ever hear of SPOOFING? Leave it simple for now.

But if for those calls would be spoofing used, than it would not show CPH in any records. Unless someone would use exactly his chip number for spoofing. So we can forget this little distraction again.

 

[Peter Brendt]

State trooper fired for promoting Buffalo-area prostitution parties

By LARRY CELONA

Last Updated: 6:13 AM, June 23, 2012

Posted: 2:05 AM, June 23, 2012


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A party-loving state trooper was fired yesterday for promoting wild soirees with prostitutes — and two more troopers were suspended in the scandal.

Titus Taggart, an 18-year veteran of the force, was brought up on departmental charges earlier this year and suspended without pay for moonlighting as the host of off-duty hooker bashes.

The investigation of Taggart, 41, began last December when State Police looked into suspicions that troopers were involved in a prostitution ring that imported hookers from Canada for parties in the Buffalo area, officials said.





A disciplinary hearing held last week resulted in a recommendation that he be kicked off the force, and yesterday State Police Superintendent Joseph D’Amico officially fired him. He could still face criminal charges.

Taggart, who had been assigned to Troop T in Buffalo, posted several photos on his Facebook page of himself dressed in gangster-style suits and posing with booze bottles and suggestively clad women.

He took down the page shortly after the scandal broke in April.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/..._trooper_0B2NOo4RWHUFlfMWozbIxJ#ixzz1ycUjZ6MD

So he liked prostitutes and was fired because prostitution is illegal. He imported them from Canada, which means, no connection to any of our victims. And no murder at all. So ... relevance? Or is this only thought as a distraction?

 

[alaskanblue]

I beg to differ Peter. As I see it Shannan showed confused paranoid behavior that night because "they" were trying to kill her! If anyone on this board has ever been physically attacked or been threatened, they can tell you, it makes you paranoid and you will have a definite fight or flight response. Adrenaline is a powerful hormone.

She talked over twenty minutes with the dispatcher, she knew the 911 was being recorded and felt safe until possibly her phone went dead. Of course they are not going to harm her knowing she is talking to 911.
Also, 1.)Never has it been proven that drugs were involved that night 2)The paradoxical undressing makes a nice little story but it doesn't fit this case.

There are so many things about that night that we don't know-and probably will never know. You're assuming that Brewer and/or Pak and/or the drifter were trying to kill her but she was in a panicked, confused state. We do know that she was bi-polar and had stopped taking her medication. This can really play havoc on a person's judgement and perception of a threat. Isn't it at least possible that she was mistaken that they were going to murder her?

I doubt she was feeling all that safe when she talking to 911, after all she bolted out the door while she was still on the phone. I'm going to assume that whoever was in the room with her listening to her on the phone knew that she hadn't given the dispatcher the proper location, much less the street address. If they were going to kill her, why didn't they snatch the phone out of her hand? Of course they'd probably know that her cell would eventually be traced, which is another reason why killing her at that point doesn't make sense. I highly doubt any of these three guys is the LISK-he wouldn't be that stupid. You mentioned that it's never been proven that drugs were involved, well on the other side of the coin it's never been proven that they weren't. The autopsy findings were that there was no cocaine in her system, that was all that was mentioned along with the undetermined COD. I have a suspicion that the examination wasn't as thorough as it could've been.

Of course it can seem absolutely absurd that Shannan would've suffered an accidental death so close to the Gilgo Beach cluster. It could very well be a bizarre coincidence. Maybe it's a far fetched theory, but it is possible.

MOO

 

[Peter Brendt]

There are so many things about that night that we don't know-and probably will never know. You're assuming that Brewer and/or Pak and/or the drifter were trying to kill her but she was in a panicked, confused state. We do know that she was bi-polar and had stopped taking her medication. This can really play havoc on a person's judgement and perception of a threat. Isn't it at least possible that she was mistaken that they were going to murder her?

I doubt she was feeling all that safe when she talking to 911, after all she bolted out the door while she was still on the phone. I'm going to assume that whoever was in the room with her listening to her on the phone knew that she hadn't given the dispatcher the proper location, much less the street address. If they were going to kill her, why didn't they snatch the phone out of her hand? Of course they'd probably know that her cell would eventually be traced, which is another reason why killing her at that point doesn't make sense. I highly doubt any of these three guys is the LISK-he wouldn't be that stupid. You mentioned that it's never been proven that drugs were involved, well on the other side of the coin it's never been proven that they weren't. The autopsy findings were that there was no cocaine in her system, that was all that was mentioned along with the undetermined COD. I have a suspicion that the examination wasn't as thorough as it could've been.

Of course it can seem absolutely absurd that Shannan would've suffered an accidental death so close to the Gilgo Beach cluster. It could very well be a bizarre coincidence. Maybe it's a far fetched theory, but it is possible.

MOO

Wouldn't be the first time, in the vicinity of an SK, something unrelated happens. Remember that body in Manorville dropped by a boyfriend after an OD?
But what is really far fetched is, that a killer sits on a sofa, his finger in the nose waiting twenty minutes in all peace till his intended victim is done with talking to the police and then misses the point, where she bolts out. No way!

 

[Seaslug44]

There are so many things about that night that we don't know-and probably will never know. You're assuming that Brewer and/or Pak and/or the drifter were trying to kill her but she was in a panicked, confused state. We do know that she was bi-polar and had stopped taking her medication. This can really play havoc on a person's judgement and perception of a threat. Isn't it at least possible that she was mistaken that they were going to murder her?

I doubt she was feeling all that safe when she talking to 911, after all she bolted out the door while she was still on the phone. I'm going to assume that whoever was in the room with her listening to her on the phone knew that she hadn't given the dispatcher the proper location, much less the street address. If they were going to kill her, why didn't they snatch the phone out of her hand? Of course they'd probably know that her cell would eventually be traced, which is another reason why killing her at that point doesn't make sense. I highly doubt any of these three guys is the LISK-he wouldn't be that stupid. You mentioned that it's never been proven that drugs were involved, well on the other side of the coin it's never been proven that they weren't. The autopsy findings were that there was no cocaine in her system, that was all that was mentioned along with the undetermined COD. I have a suspicion that the examination wasn't as thorough as it could've been.

Of course it can seem absolutely absurd that Shannan would've suffered an accidental death so close to the Gilgo Beach cluster. It could very well be a bizarre coincidence. Maybe it's a far fetched theory, but it is possible.

MOO

Thank you for yet another voice of reason. You are correct that anything is possible and I agree that we probably will never know the truth.

 

[Seaslug44]

Wouldn't be the first time, in the vicinity of an SK, something unrelated happens. Remember that body in Manorville dropped by a boyfriend after an OD?
But what is really far fetched is, that a killer sits on a sofa, his finger in the nose waiting twenty minutes in all peace till his intended victim is done with talking to the police and then misses the point, where she bolts out. No way!

This is what many of us have been trying to say all along. It is also so obvious that the investigators made the same logical conclusion after being inside his home and searching both the house and his vehicle. They also have the 911 tape and have heard him speak on it. Plus all those interviews and the polygraph... He has been helpful with their investigation all along and he even tried to assist with filing the missing person's report before her own family attempted to file one.

If I hear one more JB LISK theory I think I am going to vomit.

At this point, anyone with a good IQ and who has done their proper due diligence would come to the same logical conclusion that JB is not the LISK nor is he part of some secret Oak Beach Association brotherhood to feed the LISK his victims.

 

[Samantha Spade]

If I hear one more JB LISK theory I think I am going to vomit.

At this point, anyone with a good IQ and who has done their proper due diligence would come to the same logical conclusion that JB is not the LISK nor is he part of some secret Oak Beach Association brotherhood to feed the LISK his victims.[/QUOTE]
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Seriously? the iq thing again?
There are some homicide investigators with years of experience laughing their asses off over that one! remember, you dont know what you dont know. your argument may seem logical, but one little piece of evidence or fact that hasnt been thoroughly followed up on and revealed, can make the difference between a serial killer behind bars or one still trolling for victims. i would say the intelligent person wouldnt rule anything out just yet.

 

[NoviceSleuth]

ME said there was NO cocaine in Shannan's remains

 

[Samantha Spade]

I imagine there still would be hair available to test.

 

[Peter Brendt]

I imagine there still would be hair available to test.

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1.) You can't perform a regular tox screen without blood. Therefore, you can't find out, whether there was actually anything in her blood or not at the time of her death.

2.) With hair, you can only prove a history of drug abuse and only for certain drugs, not for all. If someone takes now cocaine, it will show up in some days in the hairs. Provided, you live those days. So no drugs, SG took the day she died, can show up in her hair. Technically impossible.

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[Peter Brendt]

ME said there was NO cocaine in Shannan's remains

And everything else would make me wonder. No blood=no regular tox screen. The best you can get is bone marrow or hair.
About hair->read the reply to Samatha's post.
About bone marrow-> it's basically the same with one little difference. If the spine bones are perforated (holes due to decomposition), water can wash out chemical residues in bone marrow, since marrow is a pretty greasy stuff and therefore doesn't hold hydrophiles too well. So any trace of cocaine except an abuse long before her death, would mean, someone would have placed it there long long after her death.
So, no miracle.

 

[Samantha Spade]

Hair can provide a wealth of information.

 

[fred&edna]

These sort of possibilities are always worth exploring. I have been searching for some sort of link to the escort business that could tie the victims together.

Anyone know what type of SUV Pak was driving?

If it was an Escalade or a Navigator then it becomes more possible. Otherwise, Pak's title as "driver" may mean nothing more than him being a reliable guy with a truck, a full tank of gasoline and time on his hands to make a few bucks.

If it was an Escalade or a Navigator that would be interesting since there are a handful of car service companies around NYC who cater to high-end clients who need to travel discreetly and with protection. These companies have fleets of brand new Escalades and Navigators. Interestingly, many of them employee retired LE to be their drivers/bodyguards.

Whenever a large event like the movie festival is taking place you can often see these vehicles driving the movie producers around. They travel this way (instead of limousine) to draw less attention to themselves. At the United Nations you can find them too driving diplomats and leaders of foreign countries through the city in stealth mode (once the vehicles leave the UN they blend right in with other vehicles).

Some time ago I did some looking around and if I remember correctly the owner of the company I mentioned has the last name "Park", I found it interesting since MP also used that last name (maybe his youtube vids?). I haven't had time to look into this any further. Again, this may all just be coincidence.