Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt6

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Originally Posted by Bluenotes
As if Columbia and the teachers and students at Parkview have not had to deal with enough grief, yesterday one of the 2nd grade teachers was killed in a car accident.
Awwww, how sad. Bless her family, her friends, her co-workers, and most of all her students. :( It is so much for one school and the community to deal with in a short period of time. My heartfelt condolences to everyone in Columbia.
 
Hmmm. What holes in the case against CC do you see?

Miss. Motive.
* She is x-military and she seems to have some major issues. That is as scary a scenario as religious extremists. She is a female, but I have no doubt with her training she is physically able to have done the crime.
* She is/ was a stripper, very easy to discredit. She has contact on a daily basis with people that are just as nutty as she is. Its not going to be difficult to find people to make her look like a monster-- especially because considering the fact that she was sleeping with CC she is, just not the kind that kills.
* I am afraid that they are going to discredit Sheri based on her association with a woman like TL, not sure if that would fly with jurors. But Sheri is an outsider herself. If the Coleman's were aware that a divorce was coming we don't know if there was a smear campaign already going on to avoid tarnishing the family name.
* Her x-husband sounds like an unsavory kind of character.

She is the biggest. I'm hoping that they can find other mistresses because as much as she is the motive she is one hell of a scapegoat.

And I don't know if this is a hole, because from my vantage point it just underscores the fact that CC is a monster, but the fact that he strangled them all. I just didn't want to believe that a husband/father is capable of doing such a thing.

* Haven't heard much in the way of eye witnesses to the crime or people who have witnesses CC's dark side. A lot of people in that town are going to have a really hard time seeing CC as a monster-- especially considering who his family is. If it is overly cliquish community there could be some mistrust of outsiders. Imagine how they felt when they've got this super cop force coming into town staking out the Coleman family at the funeral, following the Coleman's to take the ailing Connie to the hospital. I think they are going to need people that they can relate to and trust to support the science. Even if there are no witnesses to the crime, if they can find people from the community that can talk about CC's dark side I really think its important. I'm afraid that this is going to tear this community apart, and I hope it will be stronger as a result. Oh yah, prosecution needs people that witnessed CC with his mistresses, I can't imagine that no one noticed someone going into their former residence.

* I'm concerned about how the quick the investigation and eventual arrest of CC will appear. It was of course a HUGE plus, and was achieved because they had the best of the best working the case. But again they are outsiders. It could be perceived as a rush to conclusions, that they did not look at other options, that it was a frame job etc.

* I was initially concerned that JM would be very overtly supportive of CC. He resigned though, and if anything I think that JM feels betrayed. Not a good thing to do to a woman who feels vulnerable to attacks and is a survivor of an abusive childhood.

* The swelling of CC's face concerns me. We've heard a rumor that he bashed his head in the squad car when he saw the crowd outside the jail. I believe that is what happened because it falls in line with a man like CC who probably has trouble controlling his impulses. It just doesn't ever look good for LE when a suspect looks beat up. Had MCS left town by this time?

I guess these are more vulnerabilities of the case against CC than holes in the case. I'm also concerned about CC's family not attending the plea hearing. Its almost too good to be true since the flock seems to follow the shepherd in this town, so what are trying to pull here?

What do you think?
 
There was new insight into the Columbia, Illinois, triple murder case, Wednesday, from someone who used to work with accused killer, Chris Coleman, 32; someone who is now covering the story as a photo journalist.
http://www.kplr11.com/news/kplr-coleman-late-05020092,0,7637605.story?page=1

I'm going by the word USED to work with. Meaning he no longer works for JMM.
IMO

I am catching up here...but this article quotes Mr. Wise. It seems to be one of the first quotes from anyone who considers himself a former friend of the family, especially CC. It certainly appears he was blindsided about his other personality. It is becoming more obvious to me that he kept this double life carefully hidden from his employers at JMM.
 
How do you know JM was targeted by threats too? I don't recall seeing that, only implied that CC was due to his association with JM.


I have a friend here in Waterloo that has a close friend who works for JMM. She mentioned to her that they have been receiving threats also.

It will be interesting to see if these threats also came from CC's computer.

Seems like CC wanted to make everyone believe there was truly a nut case runing around.
 
Other rumors floating around Chester


CC was using the old house in Sappington (Affton) to have his trysts in.
I am being told (again and by new people) that he has a GF in St. Louis.

I was also told by someone else today (I am sure I will get slammed again for this)
That RC did do time in the pen but it was before he became a pastor or popular in Chester, again it was due to embezzlement. I have no way to verify this as the records would not be online and a background check would have to be done on RC for it to pop up. Maybe someone in the media will do this eventually if RC and his church become too twisted into this.

I was told that RC's home (and the one he lives in) is not part of the Church and that Derek (CC's best bud) is living in the home the church owns and that it sits right behind the church. (sure enough this is true as Derek's address in the phone book is the same address for the house that sits behind the church).

Also I was told that CC's left eye and his left brow are swollen in the mugshot pictures and that it was not due to a defense wound. That he had slammed his head on the glass window in the police car out of frustration (his reaction to seeing the media outside Columbia Police Station) when they were driving up to the Columbia Police Station after they arrested him in Chester.

I am also being told that no one has seen CC's SUV in Chester or at his parents house. They think LE/MCS still has it.

Again these are RUMORS floating around Chester. How true they are is anyone's guess.

WELL.....at least they are talking about it now, Chestergal!
 
I am glad that he had 2 1/2 to 3 hours to do too much thinking and overstage the scene.

I also couldn't believe the head of security and an x-MP could be such a *advertiser censored* about setting up a crime scene. I would think that there are many instances where criminals stage things, but I've never heard descriptions that the staging was just absolutely lame.

Hadn't thought about him sitting around in the house waiting until it was gym time. He is one s1ck blank!
 
Wise has been covering St. Louis for close to 20 years. For close to 3, he worked as a TV-video specialist for the Joyce Meyer Ministries alongside Chris Coleman and Coleman's wife Sheri, 31.

key word .. "worked" .. past tense

Hate to nit-pic here, Ana...

But the interview was done after CC was fired...and Sheri was dead. Certainly this could qualify for using the term "worked" in the past tense.
 
OMG Blue! That is horrible!! My thoughts & prayers go out to the teachers family; and the entire school of Parkview. How much more grief can they take? Bless all their hearts.

Well, I know that there are concerns that some of the spiritual organizations in the town are cult-ish, but at least we can be fairly certain that there is a lot of faith goin' on in the community... good for the kids when facing this stuff. Its just such a shame that they do have to face this stuff.
 
Does anyone know if there's a way to track visitors to Chris at the jail and if so do we know if he's had any yet? Thanks!

Yes, yes, I'm interested in hearing any buzz about the jail too. Especially because of the "everyone is the same" approach.

I'm wondering about suicide attempts, Phil M. tried that and its a sign of guilt, no?
Wondering if he is doing Bible study stuff, ya know ministering to the criminals type of damage control. A number of years ago we had a Bishop that was DUI and hit a pedestrian and ran. He got a very light sentence and did a lot of that stuff while he was in... I'm pretty sure that he was genuine, I don't think so with CC.
I'm also wondering about how he is being treated by the other prisoners considering his charges.

I just cannot imagine what his mom is going through thinking about all of this.
 
(respectfully snipped, bbm) :floorlaugh:



omg... I was holdin on til I saw this youtube ROFLM*O
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(sorry I'll return to lurking, hopelessly trying to catch up...)


:parrot:

Your silly kiki!
 
Miss. Motive.
* She is x-military and she seems to have some major issues. That is as scary a scenario as religious extremists. She is a female, but I have no doubt with her training she is physically able to have done the crime.
* She is/ was a stripper, very easy to discredit. She has contact on a daily basis with people that are just as nutty as she is. Its not going to be difficult to find people to make her look like a monster-- especially because considering the fact that she was sleeping with CC she is, just not the kind that kills.
* I am afraid that they are going to discredit Sheri based on her association with a woman like TL, not sure if that would fly with jurors. But Sheri is an outsider herself. If the Coleman's were aware that a divorce was coming we don't know if there was a smear campaign already going on to avoid tarnishing the family name.
* Her x-husband sounds like an unsavory kind of character.

She is the biggest. I'm hoping that they can find other mistresses because as much as she is the motive she is one hell of a scapegoat.

And I don't know if this is a hole, because from my vantage point it just underscores the fact that CC is a monster, but the fact that he strangled them all. I just didn't want to believe that a husband/father is capable of doing such a thing.

* Haven't heard much in the way of eye witnesses to the crime or people who have witnesses CC's dark side. A lot of people in that town are going to have a really hard time seeing CC as a monster-- especially considering who his family is. If it is overly cliquish community there could be some mistrust of outsiders. Imagine how they felt when they've got this super cop force coming into town staking out the Coleman family at the funeral, following the Coleman's to take the ailing Connie to the hospital. I think they are going to need people that they can relate to and trust to support the science. Even if there are no witnesses to the crime, if they can find people from the community that can talk about CC's dark side I really think its important. I'm afraid that this is going to tear this community apart, and I hope it will be stronger as a result. Oh yah, prosecution needs people that witnessed CC with his mistresses, I can't imagine that no one noticed someone going into their former residence.

* I'm concerned about how the quick the investigation and eventual arrest of CC will appear. It was of course a HUGE plus, and was achieved because they had the best of the best working the case. But again they are outsiders. It could be perceived as a rush to conclusions, that they did not look at other options, that it was a frame job etc.

* I was initially concerned that JM would be very overtly supportive of CC. He resigned though, and if anything I think that JM feels betrayed. Not a good thing to do to a woman who feels vulnerable to attacks and is a survivor of an abusive childhood.

* The swelling of CC's face concerns me. We've heard a rumor that he bashed his head in the squad car when he saw the crowd outside the jail. I believe that is what happened because it falls in line with a man like CC who probably has trouble controlling his impulses. It just doesn't ever look good for LE when a suspect looks beat up. Had MCS left town by this time?

I guess these are more vulnerabilities of the case against CC than holes in the case. I'm also concerned about CC's family not attending the plea hearing. Its almost too good to be true since the flock seems to follow the shepherd in this town, so what are trying to pull here?

What do you think?

I think your point about the locals would apply if the trial was to be held in Chester (Randolph County). If no change of venue occurs the trial will be held in Waterloo (Monroe County). The townsfolk around here are VERY THANKFUL that the MCS god involved. The local police force badly handled that last murder investigation here.

While Chester and Waterloo are about 40 miles apart, I do not feel the citizens of Waterloo are quite as blinded as they are in Chester.
 
I have a friend here in Waterloo that has a close friend who works for JMM. She mentioned to her that they have been receiving threats also.

It will be interesting to see if these threats also came from CC's computer.

Seems like CC wanted to make everyone believe there was truly a nut case runing around.

All the better that they locked him up quick! If he was capable of killing his family, what would stop him from committing another murder to make it look like their was a serial killer. What a dork! If the big dogs weren't called in to investigate the murder of his family, don't you think they would have come if their was a serial killer in town.:loser:

Ya know, I wonder what its like for CC to see everyone slamming his little staging attempt. :rolling: I hope they should lay that stuff on EXTRA thick at the trial and do extreme close ups of his face while they do it. I wonder if the expert criminals are laughing at him at the jail. :rolling:
 
WELL.....at least they are talking about it now, Chestergal!

Ya, rumors are interesting. And ya know, that makes me think about how important people's anonymity is important here. No matter where a person is in the country or who they are its important for people to feel comfortable and safe here so they can feel comfortable expressing their opinions no matter what they are or who they might upset. Its scary to think that someone could experience any kind of negativity in the "real" world because of something they express here.

Okay, I'll get down from the soapbox now! :)
 
I also couldn't believe the head of security and an x-MP could be such a *advertiser censored* about setting up a crime scene. I would think that there are many instances where criminals stage things, but I've never heard descriptions that the staging was just absolutely lame.

Hadn't thought about him sitting around in the house waiting until it was gym time. He is one s1ck blank!

:waitasec: Just thinking out loud here --- But if he indeed "staged" the scene and did such a bad job of it that the LE could see that it was staged and staged badly, then could he have staged WHERE the bodies were found as well to make it look like a phantom attacker went into each room and one at a time strangled them in their rooms??

And if the reports of neighbors hearing arguing at 3AM are correct, then I tend to believe that it's highly probable that someone in that house also heard commotion or fighting (whether physical or verbal) and ran to see what was going on and tried to help their mother, brother or sons and that's how the injuries were sustained if the reports of those injuries were correct. He may have knocked them senseless inflicting broken jaws, black eyes and the like and then could have strangled them and put them back into their beds or put them back into their beds and strangled them then. Perhaps that's part of the botched staging they were talking about. It should have looked like there was resistance. Perhaps it did not show that. I just can't imagine that they would have all slept right through the others getting strangled without hearing something, ya know? And if that's the case, they wouldn't have all been in their beds unless someone put them there!
 
I think your point about the locals would apply if the trial was to be held in Chester (Randolph County). If no change of venue occurs the trial will be held in Waterloo (Monroe County). The townsfolk around here are VERY THANKFUL that the MCS god involved. The local police force badly handled that last murder investigation here.

While Chester and Waterloo are about 40 miles apart, I do not feel the citizens of Waterloo are quite as blinded as they are in Chester.

Yes, I know I'm glad that MCS was involved in this due to the last one not turning out so well. That was a shame! And I'm sure for that very reason that they are going to make sure they have all their ducks in a row and the i's dotted and the t's crossed on this one. :)
 
IIRC, The TL who is/was in the military is NOT the same TL who is CC's Ms Motive. I haven't found anything to show that THE TL was in the military. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
:waitasec: Just thinking out loud here --- But if he indeed "staged" the scene and did such a bad job of it that the LE could see that it was staged and staged badly, then could he have staged WHERE the bodies were found as well to make it look like a phantom attacker went into each room and one at a time strangled them in their rooms??

And if the reports of neighbors hearing arguing at 3AM are correct, then I tend to believe that it's highly probable that someone in that house also heard commotion or fighting (whether physical or verbal) and ran to see what was going on and tried to help their mother, brother or sons and that's how the injuries were sustained if the reports of those injuries were correct. He may have knocked them senseless inflicting broken jaws, black eyes and the like and then could have strangled them and put them back into their beds or put them back into their beds and strangled them then. Perhaps that's part of the botched staging they were talking about. It should have looked like there was resistance. Perhaps it did not show that. I just can't imagine that they would have all slept right through the others getting strangled without hearing something, ya know? And if that's the case, they wouldn't have all been in their beds unless someone put them there!

ITA!!!!!!! I have thought all along that CC put at least two of those bodies back in their beds after the attack.
 
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