Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt7

[Priester]

If you date a married man, and he leaves his wife and marries you.....
congratulations, you have a cheater for a husband.

If you marry a man who kills his wife....watch out.

 

[looneymama]

Picking up on all of the news about TL - don't forget her myspace death skull emoticon and her mood, "excited" - AFTER she knew that Sheri and the boys were dead!!!!!!!!!

I keep seeing this being mentioned but does anyone really know when she changed it to that? I'm just wondering if we know that she changed it to that after she knew about the deaths or if it had been previously set to that and never changed. I know it's possible that she could've done that thinking "wow now I'm going to get my man"...but it totally could've been something else going on in her life. It could've been as simple as plans to go to a concert or something.

Totally not trying to pick on you Lindadanette, I've been reading all of these threads and I think you are great. I was just wondering if anyone actually knew when she changed her mood to that. I don't even remember using that feature when I had myspace.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

I am saying that, unfortunately, IMHO, it is entirely possible.

Okay, but I do not see anything that would point that way. What have you "seen" that I have possibly missed? TL may be (possibly unknown to herself..CC=lies) "guilty" of an affair, but I cannot go to where she may have actually been some kind of a accomplice to these murders. If she was, don't you think she would have been arrested as such by now?

 

[impatientredhead]

You could be right, of course, or it could have been a huge CYA on her part. When it comes down to it, TL probably knows him better than anyone - and she was set to marry him (knowing that he was the husband of her friend) I think she is far from innocent.

I don't think she is innocent either.
She made the choices that put her in this position.
And I think she will pay for it. She will be humiliated.
Her next years will be filled with depositions and trials.
And I don't feel bad for her at all.
I just don't think a person who knew this was going to happen makes herself and her electronic history available to LE willingly. She isn't the one that lawyered up immediately and made a point to tell everyone she had an alibi.

I would like to know what day LE contacted her and exactly how much time had passed between her seeing it on the news. I would like to know who she talked to during that time. I am assuming if I saw my fiance on the news with his family dead I would be calling a girlfriend or someone to talk about how freaked out I was. How long was it between LE contacting her versus when it became clear to the world CC was a suspect (I know we all thought it immediately) but she was in a world where CC was setting her up to accept the stalker on a homicidal rage killed the family BS too. Why else would he send her copies of the letters except to convince her his story was real so she would believe it when the deaths happened. That is hardly the kind of thing you mention after the fact.

 

[impatientredhead]

Okay, but I do not see anything that would point that way. What have you "seen" that I have possibly missed? TL may be (possibly unknown to herself..CC=lies) "guilty" of an affair, but I cannot go to where she may have actually been some kind of a accomplice to these murders. If she was, don't you think she would have been arrested as such by now?

She definitely knew she was having an affair with a married man. She knows his wife, she knows his kids, she was told a divorce would be in the immediate future. She wasn't in the dark about that.

 

[Fairy1]

I understand you feel the need to peel away layers looking for why. I often feel the need to know why. My problem with that is Society as a whole has begun to blame others for the reason that criminals behave as they do. I just can not buy into that. Chris Coleman killed his family because he chose too. He may have felt entitled but I see that as a flaw in him not because of the way his employer ran her business. My husband grew up with an alcoholic father. He chose not to drink because he said he had to grow up in it but his children didn't. I grew up with a drug addict, I chose not to try drugs because I didn't want to take the chance of becoming a drug addict. I firmly believe that it comes down to choices. I don't know many people that had the Beaver Cleaver household but they are trying to have it for their children. Looking for blame elsewhere, to me, is giving Chris Coleman an excuse. I refuse to give him an excuse. He made his choice! He could have made different choices but he didn't.

I agree with you 100%! I'm not looking to place blame on anyone other than CC as far as these murders are concerned. I'm just trying to get into his head. Lots of people have affairs and never murder their spouses and children, but I still believe TL is only ONE factor that lead to this crime. I believe there were other factors and I'm interested in exploring them. JM may be just one more factor of many, but she is involved by association, no matter what. I do think more details will come out that pertain specifically to CC's position in JMM.

I applaud you and your husband for making good choices and I realize that people in dire circumstances do that everyday. CC's choice was his and his alone. I just would like to know how he got to that point.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

She definitely knew she was having an affair with a married man. She knows his wife, she knows his kids, she was told a divorce would be in the immediate future. She wasn't in the dark about that.

I know that, but to share she may have helped support this via words or how she shared her "wares" in support of murder just seems a stretch. Unless, I missed something. I truly may have. CC is pathological and a sociopath, imvho. How far did he even go with TL? I guess I'm a bit more open to other possibilities. Call it a DP Convict Peterson "awareness". I prefer to go a wee bit more slowly after that horrific murder. You never know.

 

[KT Can]

Let's throw this around.

Suppose the first time CC went to Tampa he looked up TL as a family friend - or just as a friend. I've done that.

Against his will she tied him down, shoved a Viagra down his throat, and rode Mr. Happy like it was Mine That Bird. Let's say every time he was down there the same thing happened.

What does that change?

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Mine That Bird...really??? Too funny.

It changes nothing.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Let's throw this around.

Suppose the first time CC went to Tampa he looked up TL as a family friend - or just as a friend. I've done that.

Against his will she tied him down, shoved a Viagra down his throat, and rode Mr. Happy like it was Mine That Bird. Let's say every time he was down there the same thing happened.

What does that change?

I will go you one further and say that TL was probably at the wedding. Maybe the exchange started right after the ring went on his finger and he decided it was a mistake to have gotten married at all.

 

[kiki the parrot]

If you date a married man, and he leaves his wife and marries you.....
congratulations, you have a cheater for a husband.

If you marry a man who kills his wife....watch out.

Exactly. Shades of Stacy who knew of Kathleen and evidently did learn enough (re her death) later on to put all the pieces together. Not a very optimistic outlook, given the basic principle of sowing and reaping in operation.

arrot:

 

[impatientredhead]

I know that, but to share she may have helped support this via words or how she shared her "wares" in support of murder just seems a stretch. Unless, I missed something. I truly may have. CC is pathological and a sociopath, imvho. How far did he even go with TL? I guess I'm a bit more open to other possibilities. Call it a DP Convict Peterson "awareness". I prefer to go a wee bit more slowly after that horrific murder. You never know.

I am in agreement with you on her personal contribution to the murders. I personally believe she was lied to and manipulated just like everyone in CC's life. She was aware of some of her sins though, that was all I was saying. I have been "defending" her not being the cause or accomplice all day.

Of course I hung in there saying Cindy Anthony was a grieving grandmother in denial long after posters told me I was a moron, so take my "benefit of the doubt radar" for what it is worth!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I know that, but to share she may have helped support this via words or how she shared her "wares" in support of murder just seems a stretch. Unless, I missed something. I truly may have. CC is pathological and a sociopath, imvho. How far did he even go with TL? I guess I'm a bit more open to other possibilities. Call it a DP Convict Peterson "awareness". I prefer to go a wee bit more slowly after that horrific murder. You never know.

And what do we know about her? How do we know she is not just as pathological and as much of a sociopath as he is? How do we know for a fact she didn't talk him into murdering his family? We don't know any of the above and you are right...you never know until you investigate it.

 

[Lindadanette]

I keep seeing this being mentioned but does anyone really know when she changed it to that? I'm just wondering if we know that she changed it to that after she knew about the deaths or if it had been previously set to that and never changed. I know it's possible that she could've done that thinking "wow now I'm going to get my man"...but it totally could've been something else going on in her life. It could've been as simple as plans to go to a concert or something.

Totally not trying to pick on you Lindadanette, I've been reading all of these threads and I think you are great. I was just wondering if anyone actually knew when she changed her mood to that. I don't even remember using that feature when I had myspace.

I'm not offended! I amended that post to add something about Gasparilla - which is a big Mardi Gras type event we have here in the Tampa Bay area.
I was freaked out when I saw her Myspace because the login date was 5/9, 5 days after the murders, and "excited" did not seem what you would call your mood after your childhood friend and her kids were murdered.

She allegedly spoke to CC sometime just before (or after) the murders took place. My thoughts on this go back to the relationship she had with Sheri and the threats that were made by CC. Tara certainly wasn't competing to become the next "Mrs Pious" - and CC scrawled a bunch of vitrol that could only spring forth from a poisoned heart. It's just not a stretch for me to think that the two "sexters" were jamming on their mutual rejection of the religious life (and boy did I work to say that nicely).

And one more thing - it's entirely possible that she was excited about a concert - I know that Nine Inch Nails and Jane's Addiction were playing on the 9th. But even then, her "fiance's" wife and children had been murdered and he was the only suspect - how excited about a concert would she be?

 

[Fairy1]

Let's throw this around.

Suppose the first time CC went to Tampa he looked up TL as a family friend - or just as a friend. I've done that.

Against his will she tied him down, shoved a Viagra down his throat, and rode Mr. Happy like it was Mine That Bird. Let's say every time he was down there the same thing happened.

What does that change?

This is actually how I've imagined it went down. He called and said, "hey, I'm in town, are you free for dinner?" I think it may have begun quite innocently, but it escalated to a sexual level quickly. I'm inclined to believe TL was orchestrating the intensity of the relationship (BIT**), but I don't feel - at least for now - that she had any hand in the final outcome.

O/T - just heard tonight that Rachel Alexandra will not be running the Belmont. I'll put my money on Mine That Bird - if I can get the visual of CC and TL out of my mind beforehand.....

Thanks !

 

[waterlooinspector]

Several things: there had been threats .. not just to Coleman.

..from today's BND story -

"Mike Cole, an employee of Joyce Meyer Ministries, in April "provided a list of names as well as photos of people that have threatened Coleman and other Joyce Meyer Ministries employees and who Coleman stated he believed could be responsible for the threats" the Coleman family had received.

Connor not "commenting on evidence" .. it is hard to know if the photos are the "evidence" he won't comment on.

Respectfully snipped...


analytical..thanks for finding and posting this. I'm interested in this list of names/photos...

Who is Mike Cole and did he also work in security at JMM? -- And who was the list given to back in April? LE? Surely, LE would have followed up on each before they arrested CC.

Did CC go to such elaborate lengths in his plan to send threats to other JMM employees? And to cast suspicion on others as the perp(s) for this horrible crime?

GC...the word around town is that is exactly what he did. Had the staff at JM spooked too.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

And what do we know about her? How do we know she is not just as pathological and as much of a sociopath as he is? How do we know for a fact she didn't talk him into murdering his family? We don't know any of the above and you are right...you never know until you investigate it.

As I mentioned before, I prefer to go slowly when it comes to the "other woman" when it comes to these particular cases. DP Convict Peterson taught me that. Amber Frey was literally torn apart until we found how she was lied to, manipulated romantically, and then how much she actually aided the case against that . None of us have any idea how TL may be working with LE/MCS in this. It is very possible she has helped more than we know.

I learned much watching, reading, hearing, and posting about that case. Harsh lesson that not all is not what it seems.

 

[Beyond Belief]

I take it they didn't arrest that guy yet?

 

[waterlooinspector]

Maybe this is the dog track TL works at and you have to wonder what Papa Coleman would say if he saw that photo? Would he still approve of the upcoming nuptials?

http://www.derbylane.com/

He probably would have performed the ceremony.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

As I mentioned before, I prefer to go slowly when it comes to the "other woman" when it comes to these particular cases. DP Convict Peterson taught me that. Amber Frey was literally torn apart until we found how she was lied to, manipulated romantically, and then how much she actually aided the case against that . None of us have any idea how TL may be working with LE/MCS in this. It is very possible she has helped more than we know.

I learned much watching, reading, hearing, and posting about that case. Harsh lesson that not all is not what it seems.

The difference between Amber and Tara is HUGE. Amber did not know Scott and Lacy. She was not best friends with her from high school. Amber did not knowingly and willingly engage in a sexual relationship with her best friend's husband and plan to marry him. She did not order wedding invitations before the divorce. Granted, Amber was thought of poorly until it all came out. However, Tara started out very badly here. She has no way to feign ignorance of the situation. She knew and she also knew about the children. Did she ever stop to think about how those boys would feel about "Aunt Tara" marrying their daddy after he kicked mommy to the curb?! Of course not.

 

[waterlooinspector]

If this wasn't so sickeningly pathetic and grieviously sad, it would fringe on being laughable:

>>Mike Cole, an employee of Joyce Meyer Ministries, in April "provided a list of names as well as photos of people that have threatened Coleman and other Joyce Meyer Ministries employees and who Coleman stated he believed could be responsible for the threats" the Coleman family had received.<<

Whoever provided whatever (in the list) did so with CC's coaching. He was getting others all wrapped up in his wicked plot and sucking others into it.

See the above "who Coleman stated he believed could be responsible for the threats." He is just really something isn't he? He made sure he laid out candidates who might do what he himself was doing. He defiled so many along his way.

I am brainstorming here......Could CC had "created" the threats to JM & her employees to make his presence be more important and valuable? Could he have used this all along as leverage to garnish more hours and/or pay from JMM?