SIDEBAR #13- Arias/Alexander forum

DNA Solves
DNA Solves
DNA Solves
Status
Not open for further replies.
When I see Jodi Arias face, she looks cold. She is emotionless and consumed by anger. Would partly explain why she brutally killed Travis Alexander. I even some eye bulging with Arias, which is more obvious in Drew. She reminds me of Lori Drew or Seung-Hui Cho as they are cold and consumed by rage.

Jodi Arias
Jodi+Arias+My+space.jpg


jodi-arias.jpg


8425307.jpg


Lori Drew
Lori%20Drew.jpg


lori_drew_kayeg5nc.jpg


Seung-Hui Cho
Seung-Hui_Cho.jpg


abc_gma_whycho_070419_mn.jpg


I saw an interview with Seung-Hui Cho's mother and sisters...they were all deathly afraid of him and wouldn't let him in their house.

The poet Nikki Giovanni had him on one of her poetry classes and was very disturbed by his poety. She actually had him removed from her class.


http://voices.yahoo.com/award-winning-poet-nikki-giovanni-had-virginia-tech-308353.html
 
Thanks HMS, I had forgotten about Lori Drew! Now I'm angry again...

Frome wiki...Law Professor Orin Kerr, one of Drew's pro bono attorneys, commented that he was "very pleased" with the vacated guilty verdict as the case was "an extremely important test case for the scope of the computer crime statutes, with tremendously high stakes for the civil liberties of every Internet user." :banghead:

I would like to say that Orin Kerr picked the wrong client to waive the civil liberties flag for... This was a grown woman that acted out against a child. Once again the victim's rights were lost in our judicial system. :facepalm:
 
NEW!

The foreman publically acknowledges he was, in fact, one of 4 jurors who voted against DP in Jodi Arias penalty phase.

Three mitigating factors:

Age coupled with no criminal history
Dysfunctional Family
TA verbally and mentally abused Jodi

VIDEO

http://www.azfamily.com/video/?id=21...mod&sec=528732

More comments

What she did was horrific - is at peace with his decision - hopes this is last call to jury duty ... never wants to do it again - ever.

More to come on the SHIFTING DYNAMICS in the jury room ...

Looks like they added footage from later broadcast - be sure to listen to the whole thing - it's a real eye opener

http://www.azfamily.com/video/?id=21...mod&sec=528732
 
Thanks HMS, I had forgotten about Lori Drew! Now I'm angry again...

Frome wiki...Law Professor Orin Kerr, one of Drew's pro bono attorneys, commented that he was "very pleased" with the vacated guilty verdict as the case was "an extremely important test case for the scope of the computer crime statutes, with tremendously high stakes for the civil liberties of every Internet user." :banghead:

I would like to say that Orin Kerr picked the wrong client to waive the civil liberties flag for... This was a grown woman that acted out against a child. Once again the victim's rights were lost in our judicial system. :facepalm:

Orin Kerr picked a person that is really hated along side with Osama bin Laden, Casey Anthony, Jerry Sandusky, Fred Phelps, or Tamerlan and Dzokhar Tsarnaev.

Since immaturity is a strong trait of Drew, she would be very similar to; Jodi Arias, Casey Anthony, Diane Downs, Jerry Sandusky, Adam Lanza, or Seung-Hui Cho. I would suspect Drew was probably a target of childhood abuse, since she is an abuser. Her behavior shows someone who has been abused in the past.

This person on another forum thinks that people like Lori Drew are sexually repressed. She is severely repressed like Cho, Sandusky, Downs, Phelps, or bin Laden.

I agree with The Bard. A mob mentality can develop, even with as few as two people, and especially with three or more. I haven't studied this as Miss R. has, but I have looked at certain cases. It seems the everyday inhibitions we all carry around can somehow get short-circuited in a group (mob) situation.

The other issue windfall brought up was whether cases like this where a woman was the 'ring-leader,' so to speak, in a brutal attack on another woman. They are not that common, but they exist. For example:

In 1965, Sylvia Likens, a 16-year-old girl, was murdered over several weeks by a group led by a 35-year-old mother of seven children named Gertrude Baniszewski. Sylvia and her younger sister Jenny, a polio victim, had been left in Gertrude's care as their parents made the carny circuit. Several of Gertrude's own children (including 3 girls) and several neighbor boys joined in the torture and abuse, that led eventually to Sylvia's death.

Karla Homolka clearly 'enjoyed' and participated in the sexual assault and murder of several girls and women over several years with husband Paul Bernardo. (1991-92)

Janet Chandler's gang-rape and murder were facilitated by and participated in by Laurie Swank, her supposed 'friend' and roommate. (1979)

Lori Drew, a Missouri housewife, led a group of young women/girls (including her own daughter) to tease and torment Megan Meier online (on MySpace) by first convincing her (Megan) that a cute young boy was interested in her, and then abruptly ending the 'relationship' by having a bunch of myspace 'friends' join in the taunting, resulting in Meier's suicide. (1996)

In all of the above cases, there was both the element of 'mob mentality' as well as a woman playing a leading or prominent role in the physical (or psychological, in the case of Drew) assault.

One would hope someone is studying these phenomena. In my layperson's mind, it is probably related to deep-seated sexual shame in the perpetrator. It does seem the most evil thing in the world.

http://perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=192&start=150
 
And, in other news, I'm sitting in the WS chat room right now and apparently people think I'm an imposter to myself. I was distracted talking to jayarohh on the phone, having trouble signing on and yes, it's me sitting there who you are all ignoring, paranoid, thinking it's not me.
 
And, in other news, I'm sitting in the WS chat room right now and apparently people think I'm an imposter to myself. I was distracted talking to jayarohh on the phone, having trouble signing on and yes, it's me sitting there who you are all ignoring, paranoid, thinking it's not me.

Surprised you made it past the gate master panini ;)...
 
I saw an interview with Seung-Hui Cho's mother and sisters...they were all deathly afraid of him and wouldn't let him in their house.

The poet Nikki Giovanni had him on one of her poetry classes and was very disturbed by his poety. She actually had him removed from her class.


http://voices.yahoo.com/award-winning-poet-nikki-giovanni-had-virginia-tech-308353.html

I never heard of Cho's mother and sister saying they were afraid of him to a point they would not let him in their home.

I know that his classmates were afraid of Cho.
 
And, in other news, I'm sitting in the WS chat room right now and apparently people think I'm an imposter to myself. I was distracted talking to jayarohh on the phone, having trouble signing on and yes, it's me sitting there who you are all ignoring, paranoid, thinking it's not me.

We're not ignoring you, Katie. You aren't talking to us.
 
Wow, thank you so much for that. I totally agree with everything you said, that's why I really worry about her. I don't see her just laying there suffering this out the "right" way as she is an addict and an addict's greatest goal on earth is to find the easy way out.

I was just talking to my mom and I said, "There's something going on if she's answering your calls and not mine." Because my sister and I are VERY close and I have always, always, always been able to "feel" when something isn't right with her. I don't even have to be with her or talk to her, I can just feel something is wrong. My mom on the other hand, K could be higher than Ozzy and drunker than Tara Reid right in front of her face and my mom would think she was just fine, normal as can be!!!

So, is she doing what you said and smoking weed or something??? (when she got clean, she got clean-clean: no alcohol, no weed, no drug of any kind other than this Suboxone rx when she started to have a rough time with cravings) There has to be a reason she was adamant she didn't want me stopping over there last night. I understand being depressed and not wanting to see someone but what would it have hurt for me to stop by for 30 seconds? Plus, I'm her sister! I tell her she's ugly all the time, what does it matter if I see her at her worst?

I ended up stopping by anyway (did I say that up thread? I can't remember) since her house is on my way home from work and talked to her for a couple minutes. She was laying on the couch in the living room and she seemed better than I expected, words a titch slurry but not enough that I could even say for a fact they were slurry, but I chalked it up to whatever sedative the doctor had given her. Now I'm not so sure....

My spidey senses have gone on high alert. I hope I'm just over-thinking this, normally I'm incredibly perceptive with this stuff. But for her, who calls me 10x a day (literally) to not answer ANY of my calls NOR return them, yet she answers my mom's calls.... sumpin' aint' right, folks!

Unfortunately, our "spidey" senses are usually right, the old "looks like a duck. walks like a duck, quacks like a duck" thing. You need to ask yourself if you really want to jump into this again. Your sis seems to have a line with your mom. Maybe it's time to let your mom deal with her. You know what she's like when she's wasted and you CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. She's either got to crash and burn or get unstuck off of stupid.
Suboxone withdrawal can get real bad if she takes specific other meds to counteract what's going on physically. NO BENZO's, that's xanax or any generic form of benzo, lorazapam, alprazolam, clonozapam, etc.
She's looking at 7-10 days of withdrawal. It's going to suck, she will be depressed, her opiate receptors are gonna be whacked, she's going to be sicker than a dog, and other than a chemical detox, that takes about 24 hours, she's going to have to bite the bullet. Some Dr.s' give valium, but that can be abused and they're just as messed up as when they started detoxing.
She's really setting herself up for failure by NOT slowly weaning herself off. That's what addicts do, they throw a monkey wrench into their "program", and it's back to heroin.
The biggest problem is heroin is cheap. A junkie can maintain on $45/day vs. $800/day back in the 70's-early 80's, but the stuff is a lot more pure, dangerously pure. Suboxone is easy to find on the street, just like benzo's, because they take the edge off when junkies are strung out.
Your sis has the "tools" to get clean. She doesn't need someone to hold her hand or kick her butt. You need to think of yourself, your children, and your husband. What can YOU handle? How much "drama" can you allow into your life?
You sound like a "fixer"....I was too. I totally disregarded my own issues to jump in and help someone else. It made my issues worse. Nobody is worth getting to the point that your depression drives you 2 seconds away from cashing it in, because you didn't put yourself first.
Sounds cold, but we have to save ourselves before we even contemplate helping others.
My advise? Back away from your sis. She's an adult, and relapse is so common, you want to punch a doc for even giving that glimmer of recovery. NOTHING is going to help her until she decides to do it the right way. Do NOT give her any of your meds. The best thing you can do is make it hard on her.
She made the choice to stop the Suboxone, she is going to feel like she's at death's door, she's going to have to suck it up for 7-10 days.
Do NOT let her suck you into it. Let mom handle it.
From what you've posted in the last months, you need to take care of YOU.
Addiction sucks, and it does a pretty good job of destroying everyone connected to the addict. Cherish the times sis is sober, but distance yourself when she gets sucked back in.
I haven't seen or talked to my daughter, or my 3 grandchildren since 2005. What she put me through was hell, my metal health tanked and the stress gave my BF 3 heart attacks (he had knee surgery and we get a frantic call that
we needed to be 2 hours away at a CPS hearing for my daughter the next day, tissue from the surgery migrated to his heart and closed an artery 95%, air evac to Heart Hospital in Phoenix, stint in heart, etc, etc.) To say nothing of a $1500 charge she put on my credit card during that time, it's all a long story and total BS.
TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF!
 
We're not ignoring you, Katie. You aren't talking to us.

I've been talking nonstop to callisto and molly f about a variety of topics. You just asked if I was in there where was I or something. I've been doing a lot of talking but now have to go to work.
 
Breast implants and blackmail sex tapes aside, the Arias case is making little news. If we want to add to our store of current information, we can mine the chart for the coming status conference. One of the outstanding features of the morning is that more is left unsaid than is talked about, which is odd when you consider that to confer is the essential meaning of a conference. The chart tells us that messages are being delivered out of view, out of hearing. (Mercury & Venus rule the House of Communications and are conjunct behind the scene in House 12.) There are secret writings and decisions being made.

We know that Willmott poked a stick into the spokes of this mini-trial when she pled unavailability for the start of the sentencing redo. The chart tells us that there was an ulterior objective, although she may well have another appointment on July 18. (Uranus, J.W., intercepted in the House of Law, cusp ruled by Neptune, and square Pluto in the House of Obligations). She is trying to forestall a death penalty for her client. (Neptune in House of Death.) She went further in pitching a delay of months as her choice for a start date. The impact of choosing not to appear was far greater than a simple protest & refusal. (Uranus square the Sun of the trial in chief, a catastrophe or reversal.)

The other participants in this month's conference are totally out of patience with the obstruction from Defense, this miss in balk. There is a distinct lack of cooperation in every aspect of organizing the sentencing trial. (Sun and Jupiter at the rag end of II, Saturn retrograde in House of Outcomes & Endings.) The convict is more truculent and unruly than ever while her counsel strains every fiber to save her from the death penalty, becoming himself a casualty. (Moon on the reviled degree Serpentis, recently quincunx Mars conjunct Pallas. Mars at the degree of the lunar nodes.)

In fine, we see a circumstantial development due to meddling with the process. Such conduct has ricocheted and produced an inappropriate result. The hidden manoeuvers going on will be revealed June 20 and we will also learn that the projected ending has been turned upside down by the trend of affairs. A beneficial adjustment will satisfy all parties somewhat and help solve the day's crisis. (Moon six Houses after the Sun in House 11. Moon in an angle exposing hidden matters of House 12. Moon herself was eclipsed by opposition last month. Her final aspect a quincunx to Jupiter.) Any notion of risking an outcome was foreclosed by the resistance prosecution met when action dates were set forward. (Lunar eclipse on cusp of House of Gambles, May 25. Status conference takes place on a Jupiter day in a Venus hour.)
 
:seeya: Hiya Marlap!

Is you mum doing good, and will she be home soon?

Hi Tenacious :seeya:

Hopefully she'll be home this afternoon...they put a heart monitoring chip under her skin called the "reveal" chip in yesterday and she's getting two intravenous bags of heavy duty antibiotics today....after the second one, she may be able to come home!

Thanks for asking..you are always so thoughtful!
 
I never heard of Cho's mother and sister saying they were afraid of him to a point they would not let him in their home.

I know that his classmates were afraid of Cho.

I just remember a news feed of his mother being interviewed. Some of his siblings were there nodding along as she told the reporter how afraid they all were of him...

It was chilling...they were afraid for their lives afraid...
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Staff online

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
114
Guests online
204
Total visitors
318

Forum statistics

Threads
609,500
Messages
18,254,994
Members
234,665
Latest member
wrongplatform
Back
Top