Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #12

[Simply Southern]

Colleges and universities are not permitted to "write to parents." Privacy laws that respect students' privacy rights. Most of them are adults, anyway, having reaching the age of majority.

Also, private colleges and universities also receive federal funding, and they don't want to lose it. Student loans, federal student aid for tuition, etc. Private colleges and universities don't want their prospective students to lose federal funding, their enrollment would drop.

International students are on student visas in order to study here. They can be deported if they are breaking the terms of their visas, and if they support officially-designated terrorist groups.

No they don't have to write your parents but they can sure pick up the phone and call law enforcement. They can protect students that are being abused. That can protect students that are being forced to stay in their dorms for fear unable to get to the cafeteria for food. They can call the police when students can't study for dorms because so call protest which are actually out and out riots or preventing students for studying for exams. I do know that they can be arrested. My granddaughter's college finally had I think it was 40 of them arrested, when they became so disruptive. Once released from jail, they came back to the school and started all over again. The school had him arrested again, and restraining orders. Yeah they had to get their parents to come and get their stuff off campus. They blocked the student center, they rallied out of towners as far away is New York City to come and bang drums, chant, yell and scream all night long right before exams. My granddaughter was so afraid to even walk outside her dorm on campus. Not interested in forking out 65k a year, to put up with this.

Moo..

 

[Simply Southern]

Well, the students are of the age when such things are more common. They protest, right or wrong. Their parents or grandparents (probably, parents) could have protested the Vietnam War.

If private colleges are receiving federal funds, why should the students who did not protest suffer from those who did? Cutting funds will affect all of our thinking elites.

Personally, I think that “reaction”, suppressing the movement would move the protesters “underground” and then everyone loses any track over them.

You're correct and will affect the elites. Many of their donors canceled funding and posted it on Twitter.

Non Ivy League school applications were up 75% Nationwide. Colleges are private property. The schools failed to protect thousands of students, while 100 or so rule the campus.

Oh I am 100% for free speech. But free speech does not have to involve violence, threats, physical and verbal abuse. There are against that.
Moo

 

[BrianJohnson]

He absolutely does not, though. If he did he wouldn't be bending before Putin and carrying on a course of behavior which could allow Ukraine to fall to Russia. If that happens it will be bad for the US in an absolutely epic way.

He has just announced huge tariffs on many imported goods that American citizens will now be paying for. He's even lied to the population that it's someone in a foreign country that pays them.

He organised an insurrection because he didn't like that he lost an election. People were killed because of it. How is that possibly "putting his country first"?

Trump puts himself and his own gain ahead of everyone, including every other American citizen.

I support tariffs, wish UK would do the same

For too long people have been buying cheap imports from China, India, wherever, instead of buying home grown products, the mindset needs changing so that Americans buy American products before foreign, British people buy British made products/foods/cars instead of foreign imports etc

By bringing in these tariffs Trump is saving American jobs, increasing American jobs as more domestic demand as people buy less foreign stuff

Good on him, wish my PM Starmer had the balls to put his country first and impose tariffs too

 

[Vern]

Well, First Amendment still exists. Vandalism is inappropriate, but to understand, many of these colleges are private and depend on the students’ parents payments. I always wonder how come no one in colleges wrote letters to the parents explaining that employment is also ad lib and the photos from the demonstrations might hinder their children’s future jobs. Our prisons are overflown and we don’t need to throw in students there. JMO.

First ammendment ends at the point that Jewish, and other, students are being impeded from their right to study and attend their courses (that they or their parents) paid for. Many of these colleges and universities prioritized protestors rights (many of them not even students) over the rights of their other same-paying students.

Choices often come with consequences.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I love that new phrase that coined ... Coalition of the willing. So is that how you define whether people are willing to help out or not. This is a good test, they're quickly know who's got their back and who doesn't. Maybe they'll realize, the US is no longer going to find security for Europe. They need to pitch in for their own security, rather than rely on NATO. They're using NATO for their general defense.

They came up with that on Saturday they should know who's willing and who's not willing by today. I should have known by Monday. As of this morning, scanning all the news from Europe, Canada, Australia nice to still thinking about it. I guess they're hoping they can run out the clock. The US will fix it and I can spend the next year complaining about it.

Well they're trying to figure out who's willing... Trump has moved on with his plan. The decision was made early last evening, to have a hold on aid. They all act surprised this morning. Trump's been saying for weeks he's not going to continue to fund and a winnable war.

I wonder if Zelensky realized, Europe's going to leave him high and dry. Hugs, pats on the back and photo shoots don't buy many missiles.

Moo....

Wasn't it a US President who coined that phrase?

 

[JennieM]

What is a shadow defense secretary? Since somebody that sits on the sidelines?

Maybe JD is sending a message, it's a wake up call, Europe needs to get on the ball. Heard on TV last night .... They're like an X girlfriend, living in the past, bringing up stuff that happened years ago, trying to rehash and collect restitution, and no plans for the future.

We do appreciate any and all countries that sent troops to help America. I will be forever grateful.

Moo

They might not be as willing to send their armies to you in the future.

 

[Jade]

Anti-Semitism has been rampant on our campuses and the U.S. Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights will now crack down on colleges and universities that fail to protect Jewish students on their campuses. By withholding federal funding, this will go a long way to ensure that leaders on our campuses protect students who are the victims of discrimination.

It doesn't work that way anymore.

Trump's anti DEI practices school letter:

[…]
A memo issued Feb. 14 by President Donald Trump’s administration, formally known as a Dear Colleague Letter, gave schools two weeks to halt any practice that treats people differently because of their race.
[...]
Opponents say the memo is an overreach meant to have a chilling effect. The guidance appears to forbid everything from classroom lessons on racism to colleges’ efforts to recruit in diverse areas, and even voluntary student groups like Black student unions.
[...]

As Trump's deadline to eliminate DEI nears, few schools openly rush to make changes

Schools and colleges across the U.S. face a Friday deadline to end diversity programs or risk having their federal money pulled by the Trump administration, yet few are openly rushing to make changes.

apnews.com

all imo

 

[Marantz4250b]

I support tariffs, wish UK would do the same

For too long people have been buying cheap imports from China, India, wherever, instead of buying home grown products, the mindset needs changing so that Americans buy American products before foreign, British people buy British made products/foods/cars instead of foreign imports etc

By bringing in these tariffs Trump is saving American jobs, increasing American jobs as more domestic demand as people buy less foreign stuff

Good on him, wish my PM Starmer had the balls to put his country first and impose tariffs too

Obviously, tariffs have a legitimate place in world trade.

All tariffs, always, are paid by the consumers buying the products, though. Lying to your electorate that they are paid by Johnny Foreigner when, in fact, your citizens are actually paying them is beyond the pale, I'm sure we can agree.

 

[JennieM]

Well this is great news. Lets get on the path to Peace.
Sadly other social media Sites are ganging up on the US GOP. It is a good sign that both sides of a topic are discussed here, on this forum.

Path to peace or $$$?

US needs payback for its investment in Ukraine, Vance says​

IMAGE SOURCE, GETTY IMAGES

As Zelensky issued his statement - summarised in one of our previous posts - US Vice-President JD Vance spoke to reporters about the war in Ukraine and the US decision to pause military aid.

He says the US needs to "get some payback for the incredible financial investment" it has made in Ukraine, adding that European nations are getting repaid for their support.

"Well, it's really ridiculous, and frankly, an insult to the American people, that the Europeans are getting a better deal than the American people," Vance says.

Asked if the US might resume providing Ukraine with military aid, Vance says that when Kyiv begins negotiating "everything is on the table".

He says to move forward, they need Ukraine to come and tell them what they need privately: "That is the most important thing, and that lack of private engagement is what is most concerning to us."

Zelensky ready to work under Trump's 'strong leadership' after 'regrettable' showdown

The Ukrainian president says last week's fiery Oval Office meeting "did not go the way it was supposed to", adding Kyiv is ready to sign a minerals deal.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[MrsWatson]

He says to move forward, they need Ukraine to come and tell them what they need privately: "That is the most important thing, and that lack of private engagement is what is most concerning to us."

Who's idea was it to do the first one live, anyway?

 

[Simply Southern]

Putin has proven he is not interested in peace.

Putin has proven that International Agreements & Peace Deals, aren't worth the very paper that they are written on. Liksewise the USofA: 1994 Budapest Memorandum and the USMCA - the very International Trade Agreement that Trump (as 45) insisted upon, negotiated & signed which he has tossed to the wind today - to name just two.

And, in addition to the US Presidents threats to annex Canada, Panama, and Denmark (via the annexation of their territory of Greenland) - all democratic sovereign nations I point out - last night his Vice President, the former military-reporter JD Vance, had this to say on the "Peace Deal" and another supposed-US ally, Britain (and as an aside - France):

Calls for Vance to apologize over British troops comment



They were there fighting and dying with the US: Gulf War 1, Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, ISIS etc etc (just as Canada was). If Vance was actually a competent Military Correspondent - he KNEW those facts to be false when he spouted them. That is the exact opposite of 'diplomacy'. It is the very opposite of 'democratic'. It's all rhetoric.

One thing is very clear to me, IMO, and that is that no agreement signed by Putin and Trump without boots on the ground from ALL Nato countries and a commitment to initiate Article 5 if Russia so much as sends a reconnaissance drone over those NATO troops on border is worth any more than the paper its printed on ... for obvious reasons.

Indeed, despite the rhetoric of the past month plus, more accurately precisely because of that rhetoric and Trumps' words, actions & deeds, the world is actually much unsafer today. And not just for me.

This is not a normal day. Everything is not 'copacetic'.

No one needs enemies when they have 'friends' like this IMO.

So much so, that my mind is already playing scenarios where that already promised and shipped Ukrainian aid that was halted by the US aministration last night will instead find itself redirected to Russia. IMO. Time will tell.

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JD Vance is a US Marine and a Yale Graduate with a degree in law. He grew up dirt poor and one of the poorest parts of the country, his mother was a drug abuser. He was raised by his grandmother and look what a fine man he is today. He's what you call growing up and living the American dream.

I don't think JD is going to apologize for anything. We've done more than anyone other country. The other countries can add up all the money they pay and it is slightly more than dollars we have paid out.

JD has the right the free speech in the United States. I'm aware not all countries have free speech and it can be hard to understand who are not afforded that freedom.
He ain't going to apologize.

It's Zelensky who owes an apology to the United States citizens.
Moo

 

[Vern]

I love that new phrase they coined ... Coalition of the willing. So is that how you define whether people are willing to help out or not. This is a good test, they're quickly know who's got their back and who doesn't. Maybe they'll realize, the US is no longer going to fund security for Europe. They need to pitch in for their own security, rather than rely on NATO. They're using NATO for their general defense.
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RSBM

Actually coined by President George W. Bush and refers to all those countries that are being 'slammed' today as something-akin-to-useless (??) that showed up to support, fight & die alongside the United States of America post 9/11.

It's not those countries who've let their allies down IMO.

Facts matter.

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[Marantz4250b]

JD Vance is a US Marine and a Yale Graduate.

I don't think JD is going to apologize for anything. We've done more than anyone other country. The other countries can add up all the money they pay and it is slightly more than dollars we have paid out.
JD has the right the free speech in the United States. I'm aware not all countries have free speech and it can't be hard to understand who are not afforded that freedom.
He ain't going to apologize.

It's Zelensky who owes an apology to the United States citizens.
Moo

True but one who never saw combat in any meaningful way. He was a reporter and photographer.

For him to make asinine statements about other people's combat soldiers is vile, quite frankly.

What, precisely, does Zelennskyy needs to apologise for, I'm a bit lost right now.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[Charlot123]

You're correct and will affect the elites. Many of their donors canceled funding and posted it on Twitter.

Non Ivy League school applications were up 75% Nationwide. Colleges are private property. The schools failed to protect thousands of students, while 100 or so rule the campus.

Oh I am 100% for free speech. But free speech does not have to involve violence, threats, physical and verbal abuse. There are against that.
Moo

You know this age group?

A conversation with a colleague’s kid:
“Why do you need to risk? You are A++ student, you may lose your chance of getting a master’s or a good job, are you that interested in their cause?” “Oh, I understand all, but the prettiest girls are among the protesters”.

And btw, it had always been like this, starting from the end of the XIX century. Students are a super mobile group, that’s all. They are passionate; it is age.

(Some of these protesters might have already lost good jobs, btw.)

 

[HmmMysterious]

I support tariffs, wish UK would do the same

For too long people have been buying cheap imports from China, India, wherever, instead of buying home grown products, the mindset needs changing so that Americans buy American products before foreign, British people buy British made products/foods/cars instead of foreign imports etc

By bringing in these tariffs Trump is saving American jobs, increasing American jobs as more domestic demand as people buy less foreign stuff

Good on him, wish my PM Starmer had the balls to put his country first and impose tariffs too

If tariffs were so good, then why are Trump supporting farmers and Republicans freaking out over them?

https://archive.is/ww1bS

 

[Sillybilly]

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