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You can't blame other people for what Elliot did. He didn't really have friends and that's his own fault because, IMO, he didn't develop any friendships with people. " Making friends" does not come about by just standing around and not putting yourself out there, IMO. It's a lot of work to make friends. People need input from others. There has to be a common interest or some sort of rapport going on, also. I think Elliot's ideas about how people treated him were just his delusional thoughts and not real- his perceptions, which, IMO, were wrong and these misguided thoughts, built up in his twisted mind and the results were devastating to all involved.
And as to him trying all sorts of things to attract girls- what did he do? Buy a new shirt? Buy a nicer car? And just stand there waiting for girls/people to flock to him? Just who did he think he was, to think he deserved such adulation? He didn't work to become friends and acted strange to others- can't make friends and attract girls that way, IMO.
There was nothing in his writings, that I could see, that said he actually spoke to any girls (except that one from when he was young). It's inconceivable to me, just how he could attract any girl without speaking to them! I think you may be correct about "help" and it being " beyond him". He did have help- his parents gave him a lot of help- life coaches, psychologists, psychiatrists, medications, special living places to help him deal with everyday life, etc., but if he didn't listen/comply, who do you blame?
Yes, the world can be "cruel"- there are "rules" (good or bad) in this world that you have to learn to survive- "little white lies" to learn in order to deal with people, how you present yourself, look, smell, how tall you are (for men), etc. are all important to some. If you don't want to do the things that are deemed "correct", then you will be mostly alone in that sort of crowd. Not all people that live their life their way, instead of the way of others, are unhappy. You can still be happy not following the crowd, IMO,- Elliot was not happy and needed more, but couldn't realize what he was doing wrong. His "ideals" were
his- money, fame, looks- were too important to
HIM and probably not to the people who he came in contact with. These were his perceptions of his life and may not be the way it really was- delusions-
his views were so twisted that even his friends didn't want to be with him, IMO. It's a shame, really- so sad.
(of course, this is :moo: after my research.)
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If you research his "friends"- people who tried to befriend him, you will find this:
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"Bill Brown, Santa Barbara county sheriff, confirmed that Rodger had been seen by several health care professionals but that he had convinced them, despite social problems, he was not a threat to the wider community.
'When you read his autobiography and the manifesto that he wrote, it’s very apparent that he was able to convince many people for many years that he didn’t have this deep, underlying, obvious mental illness that ultimately manifested itself in this terrible tragedy,'
Andi Chan, a fellow student who Rodger called his only friend, described the gunman as a "really lonely guy" who was depressing to be around and complained that the “world is unfair to him” as women liked “ugly, fat guys”.
One neighbour who lived in the same apartment complex as Rodger said that he had “dead eyes” and ignored repeated attempts by students who lived there to bring him into social gatherings.
“He would just sit there staring at you and then he would get up and walk away,” said the fellow student, who spoke anonymously to CNN."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...failure-with-women-before-shooting-spree.html
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"Much of Rodger’s loneliness was of his own making, said Chan, who’d been his friend for more than two years.
“Me and my friends tried to help him,” Chan told ABC News. “He doesn’t like to talk or hang out.”
The sullen loner was depressing to be around when he did join the guys, and his complaints were often the same.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...odger-wanted-dominate-world-article-1.1805173
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Friend of Alleged Santa Barbara Shooter (caution-
video includes some of Elliot's video)
Friend of Alleged Santa Barbara Shooter Discusses Warning Signs - YouTube
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" A neighbour at the Capri said Rodger had been hospitalised with an injured ankle after being pushed off a ledge in a fight in July.
The neighbour said: “He was so emotional with like water faucets coming out down in his cheeks for half an hour. I’ve never seen anybody that mad. He said ’I’m gong to kill all of them I’m going to kill myself’. I don’t know if that’s what set the plan in motion.”
He described once taking Rodger to a party but he was “like a ghost” and ’just stared at people”.....
Simon Astaire, a family friend, said their son had been seeing therapists since the age of eight, including virtually “every day” while at high school.
He said: “What more could they have done? They are going through indescribable grief dealing with the loss of their son. His parents were conscious and concerned about their son’s health. They thought he was in good hands.”
Mr Astaire said Rodger, who was believed to have Asperger’s but had not been diagnosed, was “reserved to a daunting degree” and “fundamentally withdrawn”, but seemed to have “no affinity to guns whatsoever”.
Other friends of Peter Rodger said he was “heartbroken” and “did everything he could”, including engaging top specialists, but his son turned his back on therapy as an adult and refused to take medication....
Others who received the manifesto by email included Cathleen Bloeser, 58, mother of Rodger’s childhood friend Paul Bloeser.
She said: “We could see that he was turning. He’d changed emotionally and he’d become very despondent and he wanted to get back at people."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...to-murder-house-mates-in-killing-chamber.html
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The Disturbing Internet Footprint Of Santa Barbara Shooter Elliot Rodger
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmir...print-of-santa-barbara-shooter-elliot-rodger/
The killer’s ties to ‘men’s rights’ groups
http://nypost.com/2014/05/26/killers-links-to-the-mens-rights-activist-movement/
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"A 19-year-old friend, who asked not to be named, told the Mirror: “Several members of the forum tried to help him but refused to take blame for his beta personality and blamed the girls instead.
“Due to the frequent trolling on the forum, we all thought he was just a master troll. It’s unfortunate he was serious.
“Several members said that he was a serial killer in the making months before it happened. So I guess some members got a bad vibe “I didn’t think he was a serial killer in the making. He just seemed like a guy who didn’t know how to talk to girls.
“He would post about hating women.
“And once he posted a screen shot of his Tinder dating app which showed he had not met anyone through it.
“He would moan that he couldn’t even get girls with an app that’s basically for random hookups of both genders “He was given a ‘red’ reputation by the moderators of the website - which basically means he and his posts were unpopular.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...-elliot-rodgers-friends-3607196#ixzz32waZv3NI
Bernina!!!! That's a BIG snake! :snake: Glad they are NOT around here!!
