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Double post
I think a pro-CMja juror or jurors asked:
Could CMja have gotten a headstart on Travis because he stopped to check his camera?
Could the bloody palm print have been left by CMja from some earlier time?
Could Travis have carried the camera to the end of the hallway
The pesky bear v tiger PTSD thing
And wasn't there a question asking the whereabouts of the roommates?
I'm sure there were a few more.
Whichever juror(s) asked the questions, s/he was all about CMja.
JMO
Jury Foreman.
If he really believed the mitigating factors outweighed the heinous murder she committed, fine... I honestly could respect that.
He keeps running his mouth, and every time he does... The more glaringly obvious it becomes that he didn't understand the role of a juror, he didn't uphold the oath he swore to, and he considered facts not in evidence,
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There was a tweet from CMJA yesterday. Is this really from her? Or just Bering doing it on her own? Someone else take over for Bering?
All of the questions we didn't like were formed in a similar manner. Now we know the author. The tiger/bear question was one of the most alarming. To think that the PTSD (which to me was both irrelevant and non-existent) was tomato/tomahto with respect to the ninja story or the bogus self defense story was....crazy. Just bat**** crazy.
All of the questions we didn't like were formed in a similar manner. Now we know the author. The tiger/bear question was one of the most alarming. To think that the PTSD (which to me was both irrelevant and non-existent) was tomato/tomahto with respect to the ninja story or the bogus self defense story was....crazy. Just bat**** crazy.
*snipped by meIt would thrill me no end if JA came to court with short short hair because she is so vain about her hair.
Could Jodi have built up rage that burst like a dam when the gun went off and she snapped?
Do women ever kill their abuser when they see no way out?
Have any of your patients ever killed their abuser.
I agree with the other poster who said they sounded like they were formed by the same mind. It was my opinion at the time that most of if not all of these q's were coming from the same person. They all had this speculative tone and certain lack of reasoning. They were reaching, with their emotions, to find something to exonerate Jodi. They just sounded like the same person, you know? Now we know who it was. He connected emotionally with her and is looking for things to justify her actions and behavior. His reasoning isn't sound. How can he say he thinks she was indeed abused verbally and emotionally? Based on one text? I think he's thinking there is more there that he wasn't told. I think he is right but will be really surprised to hear that it's not quite what he thinks. Jodi absolutely tormented Travis.
If he really believed the mitigating factors outweighed the heinous murder she committed, fine... I honestly could respect that.
He keeps running his mouth, and every time he does... The more glaringly obvious it becomes that he didn't understand the role of a juror, he didn't uphold the oath he swore to, and he considered facts not in evidence,
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Oh my goodness, I thought I was the only one on this board completely freaked out by the PTSD bear v tiger question.
That question bothered me for days and days because it conveyed to me the juror thought, "Why are you splitting hairs? Doesn't matter if it's a tiger or a bear attacking; trauma is trauma."
Here it is. Warning: Reading this may make your stomach burn and your blood boil:
https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis/posts/481669811909166
We'll have to agree to disagree on this as well. Threats are never okay, imo. In fact, they're quite illegal. I don't find the topic tiresome. I find it essential because it is completely nuts that people who have no attachment to this case other than watching it on tv are injecting themselves into it by making threats to the people who ARE involved directly. I can excuse the family members due to emotion, but not the spectators. It's disturbing to me -- really disturbing. I sincerely hope that every person who's made a threat to anyone involved in this case, either side, is prosecuted for it.
Not sure if this is accurate, but there was a voicemail left to JSS, apparently.
not to be nit-picky, but okay, nit-picky - especially cruel and heinous have completely different definitions in the jury charges. Especially cruel focuses on the pain suffered by the victim.
Here's a part of the jury charge:
The term “cruel” focuses on the victim’s pain and suffering. To find that the murder was committed in an “especially cruel” manner you must find that the victim consciously suffered physical or mental pain, distress or anguish prior to death. The defendant must know or should have known that the victim would suffer.
Especially Heinous or Depraved
The term “especially heinous or depraved” focuses upon the defendant’s state of mind at the time of the offense, as reflected by the defendant’s words and acts. A murder is especially heinous if it is hatefully or shockingly evil, in other words, grossly bad. A murder is especially depraved if it is marked by debasement, corruption, perversion or deterioration. To determine whether a murder was “especially heinous or depraved,” you must find that the State proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant exhibited such a mental state at the time of the killing by engaging in at least one of the following actions: [list only the options that apply]
I've seen a few murder cases in my area in North Carolina. I think the Arias case, had it happened here, might not be one the DA would go for the DP. Why? Well, our county DA is quite selective on DP cases. Not every murder 1 case is a DP case. The last 2 DP cases the jury voted for LWOP in each. DP cases are difficult to win and never a slam dunk.
This is the state that tried and convicted ex Green Beret Jeffrey MacDonald who bludgeoned and stabbed his wife and 2 little girls to death in 1969. Took 10 years and the feds had to try the case after the army failed to, but he was finally convicted of first degree murder. No DP. I consider that case more heinous and cruel than Arias' case. Two little girls. One was 5 the other was only 2. He killed 4 people, including the fetus his wife was carrying (would have been his first son).
Last year the retrial of wife killer Jason Young was finally held and finally won by the state. Murder 1. No DP on the table. He bludgeoned his pregnant wife over the head at least 30 times, his 2 yr old daughter apparently witnessed some of this, he drugged the little girl to get her back to sleep and left her with her dead mommy for many hours the next day, until he was able to find an excuse to get his sis-in-law to come over to the house where of course she found her dead sister and little niece. The little toddler had walked around in her mommy's blood and had even put one of her doll babies next to her dead mommy's head. Death toll: 2. Mommy & male fetus. The killer was conveniently out of town at that point. Compared to Arias? This was worse, IMHO.
I totally agree. It shouldn't be a mitigating factor in a case like this. No weight given by me. Not when someone commits their first offense in such a shockingly gruesome fashion. I really don't care that it's her first time, thanks very much.
BBMCould Jodi have built up rage that burst like a dam when the gun went off and she snapped?
Do women ever kill their abuser when they see no way out?
Have any of your patients ever killed their abuser.
I agree with the other poster who said they sounded like they were formed by the same mind. It was my opinion at the time that most of if not all of these q's were coming from the same person. They all had this speculative tone and certain lack of reasoning. They were reaching, with their emotions, to find something to exonerate Jodi. They just sounded like the same person, you know? Now we know who it was. He connected emotionally with her and is looking for things to justify her actions and behavior. His reasoning isn't sound. How can he say he thinks she was indeed abused verbally and emotionally? Based on one text? I think he's thinking there is more there that he wasn't told. I think he is right but will be really surprised to hear that it's not quite what he thinks. Jodi absolutely tormented Travis.