josie1986
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One email does NOT constitute "abuse".
Unless you are alyce LaViolette :innocent:
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One email does NOT constitute "abuse".
I think it's funny that we haven't heard from any of the jurors, other then the foreman, who wanted life for JA. And the foreman never even came out and admitted it, it is just assumed (correctly I am sure) that he voted that way. Even if they came out and didn't say how they voted it would be obvious just because they wouldn't admit it and of course the process of elimination.
The Juror on DD says that the reason they wanted life was because they believed that JA was verbally and emotionally abused by Travis. Maybe they are embarrassed that they bought into that? It is like the Anthony jurors. None of them, to this day, has been really vocal. I think one or two may have tried to justify their verdict but was met with such a backlash that they ran back into their cave.
I really would like to hear from the other three that wanted life. Not to condemn them but to try to see what they saw. How could 8 rational people (plus alternates it seems) have been so convinced that JA deserved to die and were not swayed by Travis's "abusive words" and these people, who were apparently older, not seen the big picture. BTW, I am older, too, and while in another context Travis's words could have been construed as abusive, when you looked at everything it was clear that this was a person at the end of his rope, who most likely was very betrayed by a person he had tried so much to help. His words about how she hurt him even worse then when his father died tell me that it was extreme whatever she did. Travis didn't seem like the type to exaggerate. When you look at all she did to him (and would ultimately do to him) his reaction was not that unreasonable, and certainly not justification for what she did.
Well, IMO, hopping back in the sack with JA didnt do much to end the sick attraction they had for each other either.
One email does NOT constitute "abuse".
Court Date 6/20/2013 @8:30am
Case Event: Jury Deliberations Cont.
Judge Sherry Stevens
Defendat: Jodi Arias
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Camera Ruling-In Session-Pool Camera/Still Cam-APPROVED
Prosecutor Juan Martinez
Defense Attorney-Kirk Nurmi,Jennifer Willmont
Emmi, I've got to go the other way here. I can see the point you're making, but unless you feel that no matter what a person in a realtionship does, they NEVER deserve to be called out on it, there is a place for a verbal taking-down, even if it gets really nasty.
The fact that the texts in question are so sensational is because they're NOT normalized and I'm with the rest wondering what the heck she did to provoke that.
People CAN and do provoke "abuse." But I don't even like the word "abuse" here. What do you call it when they deserved it (and she did, let's not forget what she's capable of) Let's call it an angry reaction. People deserve those when they do something horrible.
To me those words would be abuse if there was no context, if they were words he just called her at random, there are men like that and they are disgusting. "Hey *advertiser censored*, get me a ****ing beer" was the last thing I heard a guy say to his wife at a party the other night. He wasn't joking, she cringed and I don't doubt it's an abusive situation. (I left because I might have hit him. Abuse? You make the call.)
Agzain, when people do horrible things to someone, they deserve to be called out. It's not abuse, it's a reaction to abuse.
Divots.
Thats what changed my mind about the death penalty. I watched this trial from beginning to end and I missed the divot issue the first go round. I think it was because as all of you, I was on overload or I may have even stopped listening by the time Dr. Horn got to the divots.
Or maybe because at the beginning of the trial when he first testified about them, it was embedded in so much horror that over time, throughout the trial it began to fade into something manageable.
During the penalty phase, I had to go back and find everything. I had to read it all then listen to Dr. Horns testimony again so Id know exactly what disturbed me for so long. I think just after the penalty phase, I took a weekend off to just think about that.
Even the first part of his testimony way back in January or February, there was sadness in the matter-of-fact way that he described how he came to examine Travis Victor Alexander.
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To the first mention of the divots that we all blocked out for sanitys sake:
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His penalty phase testimony wasnt anything he hadnt already outlined in his direct. The chilling matter-of-factness was still front and center but he was less clinical this time around, revealing more detail and confirming beyond all doubt that Travis was alive through 98% of it and that he suffered unimaginable pain and terror.
I always told myself when there are murders that the victim was instantly knocked out or the adrenaline racing through their bodies knocked any fear or terror out of their systems or it just happened so quickly, the victim never knew what hit him/her, thus feeling no pain. Call me naïve but this is what I always believed. Ok, its what I always wanted to believe because there was nothing to convince me otherwise.
It now makes me wonder if Rachel was awake and aware when the AHMF entered their bedroom with the gun. Did she knew she was about to die? Did she try to convince him to put the gun down? Did she squeeze Lillian tightly to her chest and beg for him to stop? I convinced myself from the beginning that Rachel was asleep, never saw it coming and never knew she was married to an evil diabolical murdering .
After reading these transcripts, I now know better. Ive never read Rachels or Lillians autopsy reports. And I never will.
For CMja to see that what she was doing was causing unbearable agony and torture but continued because it only fueled her rage and satisfaction makes us all dizzy.
The realization that she didnt care about the people who would find his battered, mutilated and broken body exposed in a freaking shower stall sucks the air out of any room Im in and makes my head swim. And CMja thinking somehow that her dumb a$$ tracings and recycling and offensive t-shirts and willingness to teach people to read in any way helps outweigh the carnage she callously left behind in that Mesa bathroom is proof positive she has no value to offer civilized society.
So thanks so much Jodi Ann Arias for removing the last shred of a shield called HOPE that our friends, family members, loved ones never suffered.
Ill be ok with LWOP but issuing a death warrant walking her to the death chamber that is what she deserves. My feelings based only on my own experiences.
One email does NOT constitute "abuse".
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You just got me thinkng...do you think Travis threated to tell RYAN BURNS about her stalking ways???? Didn't Travis and Ryan know each other? And didn't Travis know she was talking to Ryan B?
I know many on here think Ryan B was just an alibi, but I have had this nagging feeling that JA thought he was the (next) ONE. Something about the way she talked about him in the interrogation tapes -- example, she said she had researched Salt Lake City, and it seemed lke a wonderful place with many museums, many hiking trails, etc.. Sounded to me like she was planning to move there!! And in the text messages with him, she seemed VERY interested in him and willing to please him. I think she had put all her hopes into Ryan B. by the time of that May 26th text message. Perhaps Travis was threatening to do something that JA knew would derail this future relationship with RYan????
I honestly think this is the reason for her attack on Travis. Not only had he dashed her dreams of a life with him, but he was also threatening to damage her NEW HOPE and new dream of life with Ryan. I saw a pic of him from before, he was really handsome.
IMO, there was more to the attack then just that she couldn't have him, so no one could. By that point, she had TOTALLY de-valued him. She hated him thoroughly as she made her road trip down from Yrecka. It wouldn't matter to her if someone else had him, b/c she viewed him as disposable by that point. I really, really don't think that was the reason for her killing.
Her saying "i had to move on" in his interrogation tapes - that was her saying Travis wouldn'd LET me move on with Ryan. She felt his would threaten any future relationships she had. That's why she hated him so much.
According to Sky Hughes Travis was very concerned that Jodi had threatened suicide and Travis was fearful she would do something to hurt herself. Knowing that it's just not too hard to believe that he treated her with kid gloves while she was there on the 4th and cooperated by doing whatever she wanted while she was there. I do believe he thought she was gone when he got into that shower and this is why the front door was locked.
Morning all. I'm really hoping this is fake, but if not..I'm grossed out beyond belief. If real, this is some of KMJA's artwork...a sketch of Jon Benet Ramsey...dead with a rope around her neck. Really?
https://twitter.com/cammi113/status/336927528772050945/
Thanks, kaRN. It's nice to have an expert onboard!
There was an incident when I was young. I believe a neighborhood kid got bitten by a squirrel, and it was running around like a maniac. One of the neighborhood dads got a board and hit it, right there in front of all us kids, so he could take it to be checked for rabies.
I believe the child got shots, just in case. As a child, I didn't follow up, and don't know if the squirrel actually had rabies. You certainly couldn't tell from their behavior, as squirrels always act crazy (when they're not just standing there being cute)!
Decode the hidden messages in these, please. What are they? Anagram puzzles?
pure *advertiser censored*
three-hole wonder
If he knew what I know about you he'd spit in ur face. So would everyone else.
You`re a laughing stock
you have *advertiser censored*`s job
Who freaking cares about you? You`re worthless
rotten lunatic
corrupted carcass
And, with all due respect, many people appear to be launching a defense of blatant verbal abuse, apologizing for it, and attempting to re-define it, simply because they despise the target. Easy to do when the target is an incarcerated convict, but these are not sound arguments.
Certainly don't go all soft hearted, but maybe a little bit more rational and logical about things. Not quick to react but think things through.
Oh and btw what is older? Older than what???? jmo
Found guilty of 1st degree Murder. Received 20 years for "sudden passion". Parole denied.
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...ed-for-Friendswood-s-Clara-Harris-4430944.php
that was a mistake, no doubt. BUT she moved back to CA. i think he thought he WAS rid of her, and didn't see the harm in talking to her---including a little phone sex. he cancelled plans to go see her----twice. who knows if he would have made any effort to see her again?
Sorry don't mean to go all squirrelly in this thread again. :floorlaugh: I do believe that there has never been any evidence of squirrels having rabies. They can be pretty aggressive when protecting babies or their stashes of food. I like to give my girl a hazelnut & laugh at her when she growls at me & chases me all over the room.
I was not taking issue with angry reactions, calling people out on their BS, using swear words (verbal abuse, by the way, does not require obscenities, and obscenities are not, by default, abusive) or telling someone they are the worst thing ever to happen to them, or telling them to go to hell and how to get there. That's a different animal.
Concerning context, I've already made a post earlier about why the context argument doesn't convince me in this case, and I'm not going to re-write it.
And, of course abuse can be provoked--when you're provoking someone who has an abusive orientation.[/QUOTE]
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Have to flat out disagree with that statement. Wrong. I bet I could provoke you to physical violence, much less verbal. Would you say you are abuse-orientated? If not I'll pick someone else. ANYONE can provoke ANYONE under the right circumstances. I've never "abused" anyone. But hurt my dog, my kid, my friends and you'll get your share of "abuse" if that's what you want to call defense.
That's just wrong, mean and demeaning on so many levels. It's also unrealistic and represents, to me, a very juvenile attitude.
I tried for you, but you lost me forever with that statement.
ETA: I've got some emails from after I caught my then BF with another man. They probably make TA look like a saint. I guess in your book, I'm abusive. You're soooooooo wrong