Sidebar Discussion #2

[Well Done 99]

You bring up a good point ...I can understand from a history standpoint, that we should never forget what these murderer's have done. The next generation doesn't know who Charlie M is. Also, having information available for study, I can see how someone going into a specific field such as LE or the mental health field could find these resources helpful, as long as the author is credible. Examples of past crimes can often inform in regards to future ones. We can compare FCA crimes to other mothers who kill and see patterns form that can be helpful.

My problem is when you put words like "Hollywood" and "FCA" together or "FCA" and "a singers name"...I feel it offends Caylees memory, for me anyway. It gets me right in the heart. I guess all I can hope for is that Caylees Song by Rascal Flats and any future books or movies will outnumber the others. Unfortunately as you pointed out, thats usually not the case.

I can forget FCA but the reality is her name and case WILL be brought up everytime someone makes a comparison to another situation which does makes sense, I just don't have to like it! I see it almost everyday with the CM trial and I cringe everytime. It's taken me this long after the end of the trial to watch the video of the verdict being read. Theres a good reason I watched it with the sound off ! I could only watch enough to get the information I wanted from it.

I do find comfort in the fact that the good people of the world still outnumber the bad and we will always remember Caylee as the little angel she was...:heartbeat:

Very nice post Ms MacGyver. At least Caylee is an exception in that her name will be remembered as long as the one who harmed her is.

 

[Eidetic]

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[MsMacGyver]

I've seen someone else on the site use that avatar so we'll see how it goes..

If you get time can you send me the ones you found..Now I'm curious..:seeya:

I tried to upload pictures to my profile but my daughter has to do some tweeking first...:waitasec:

 

[sleutherontheside]

OMG......hilarious I am in tears.

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[rossva]

you can find it on youtube:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqW0MFp-hqg"]Appropriate Adult Episode 1 Part 1 2011 - YouTube[/ame]


Appropriate Adult tells the extraordinary story of Gloucester housewife Janet Leach who played a key role in the uncovering of the crimes of Fred and Rosemary West.

This factual drama centres on the period of time between Fred West's arrest, his suicide in 1995 and the conviction of Rosemary West, and how Fred confided in Janet Leach who took the role of the 'appropriate adult' during his police interviews.

'Appropriate adults' are volunteers who can be asked by the police to sit in on interviews with minors or vulnerable adults in order to assist them and safeguard their rights.

Double Oscar nominated actress Emily Watson (Oranges and Sunshine, Gosford Park) plays the role of Janet Leach; Dominic West (The Hour, The Wire), portrays Fred West.

The multi award-winning production team responsible for Mo, See No Evil: The Moors Murders, This Is Personal: The Hunt for the Yorkshire Ripper, The Murder of Stephen Lawrence and Wall of Silence, have produced the drama, written and executive produced by Neil McKay, executive produced by Jeff Pope and produced by Lisa Gilchrist.

Ah, thanks rossva. I've never seen that one here. Maybe I can get it online somewhere. Is it a 'based on fact' story or a doco?

 

[2goldfish]

Yes they should all be like that. I remember reading a book about Fred and Rosemary West which provided bio's on each victim prior to the part about their demise. It was as interesting to learn about them as it was to learn about F n R.
On the other hand, I read a book very recently about Ivan Milat, the 'Backpackers' serial killer in Australia. He deserves nothing other than derision, yet sadly he must have glowing with pride because the whole thing was about HIM

you know now that you mention it, I also recall the books on the wests concentrating heavily on the victims, as well as the moors murderers. the thing in common is they are all british cases - I wonder if that could be the reason. I will look into some other british cases and see if they're similar.

that is how they ALL should be.

 

[2goldfish]

BBC TV did a great mini series show about Fred and Rosemary West. It was called "Appropriate Adult".

I saw part one, I missed part 2. I will see if I can find it, I was wondering how they were gonna pull so much together in just one more episode. did you think it was well done? there were complaints here that it was too sympathetic to the "adult". I didnt find it so for part one. it wasnt bbc though was it? I thought it was ITV (I dont watch tv in general, dont even have a tv licence so it could all be the same, I'd never know :biglaugh

 

[2goldfish]

Ah, thanks rossva. I've never seen that one here. Maybe I can get it online somewhere. Is it a 'based on fact' story or a doco?

it's based strongly on the POV of the appropriate adult given to fred west. like I said I saw pt one, and it was very well done I thought. the fella playing west added just the right amounts of dull, creepy, and crazy like a fox.

 

[Well Done 99]

Oh, the sixties and early seventies. What a time!
The age of flower power, Clint Eastwood, Vietnam, The Rolling Stones and Laugh In.
People like West, Bundy and The Zodiac Killer were a bit of an anomoly at that time and seemed out of place in the overall scheme of things even though it was possibly those very times that contributed to creating them.
Who could have known monsters like them would now be a dime a dozen and, at times, hardly rate a second thought in a busy world that's turned all upside-down?
Sigh, the sixties - don't they say that if you can remember them, you weren't really there?

 

[strawberry]

Oh, the sixties and early seventies. What a time!
The age of flower power, Clint Eastwood, Vietnam, The Rolling Stones and Laugh In.
People like West, Bundy and The Zodiac Killer were a bit of an anomoly at that time and seemed out of place in the overall scheme of things even though it was possibly those very times that contributed to creating them.
Who could have known monsters like them would now be a dime a dozen and, at times, hardly rate a second thought in a busy world that's turned all upside-down?
Sigh, the sixties - don't they say that if you can remember them, you weren't really there?

BBM That's what they say. Well, I can't remember them but I was only 4 in 1970. Pretty sure I wasn't dropping acid. :floorlaugh:

 

[Well Done 99]

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BBM That's what they say. Well, I can't remember them but I was only 4 in 1970. Pretty sure I wasn't dropping acid. :floorlaugh:

:floorlaugh:
We should hope not strawberry!
I was fifteen, so old enough to experience it but not old enough to have gotten myself into any trouble.
As a country boy I wasn't part of the revolutionary scene, was never going to have the opportunity to continue on with a tertiary education and was bursting at the seams to do my part in Vietnam. Joined the army in 1974 ...... and they all came home!
Oh well, at least I'd been educated by the best .....Maxwell Smart and The Man From Uncle.

 

[rossva]

It was ITV, not BBC, you are correct. Off topic, what is a "tv license?"

I saw part one, I missed part 2. I will see if I can find it, I was wondering how they were gonna pull so much together in just one more episode. did you think it was well done? there were complaints here that it was too sympathetic to the "adult". I didnt find it so for part one. it wasnt bbc though was it? I thought it was ITV (I dont watch tv in general, dont even have a tv licence so it could all be the same, I'd never know :biglaugh

 

[rossva]

Ironicaly, the actor playing Fred West was Dominic West. He is best known for his role as Det. James 'Jimmy' McNulty on the HBO series "The Wire".

it's based strongly on the POV of the appropriate adult given to fred west. like I said I saw pt one, and it was very well done I thought. the fella playing west added just the right amounts of dull, creepy, and crazy like a fox.

 

[jon_burrows]

Eidetic
It has always fascinated me how perception differs from one person to another. What I see is JB's mind going directly to..I'm gonna be a Star...fame and fortune..here I come.
I would love to hear yours and everyone else's take on some other parts of the video. This video is hard for me to watch, by far the most upsetting for me and I close my eyes everytime they played it.

At 17 seconds, after Judge P says.."Would you hand the verdict form to the court deputy please"..JB is staring at the jurors, he *advertiser censored* his head, opens his mouth a little and has the slightest grin..the corners of his mouth go up just a bit.

After this FCA is waiting for the verdict and she's staring a hole through the juror's...I think she's thinking...I'm going to get everyone of you people, I don't care what it takes, I'll find a way to get you back if you convict me.

The most interesting to me is when the jurors are being polled. Go through and listen to every juror's response and tell me who you think has a conviction to their decision, who doesn't and if you hear any sadness in anyones voice.
Juror's 3-4-6-8-9-10-12 sound OK with their decision
Juror #1..I'm on the fence with her
Juror #7...not sure at all if she's done the right thing
Juror's 2-11...not sure of their decsion
Juror #5..has some sadness in her voice

If you watch the video without sound it's also quite interesting from 1:48 through 3:42...watch FCA's face.

As always...JMO

I don't want to watch the video again but I remember how I felt:

- ITA with your assessment of JB ($$$, fame)
- I saw terror on FCA's face as they were about to read the verdict. She knew she might have to live the rest of her life on DR then end up being executed.
- I was so disgusted by the jurors I didn't listen.

It will be interesting if I watch and my perception changes after reading yours.

IMO

 

[jon_burrows]

:floorlaugh:
We should hope not strawberry!
I was fifteen, so old enough to experience it but not old enough to have gotten myself into any trouble.
As a country boy I wasn't part of the revolutionary scene, was never going to have the opportunity to continue on with a tertiary education and was bursting at the seams to do my part in Vietnam. Joined the army in 1974 ...... and they all came home!
Oh well, at least I'd been educated by the best .....Maxwell Smart and The Man From Uncle.

BBM - Thank you! :seeya:

IMO

 

[miss plum]

rossva, does 'Appropriate Adult' focus much on the awful gory details of the case, or is it more to do with the psychology of the characters and the police? I am very squeamish about serial killers and their crimes; I generally can't bear to read or hear any details about them, and I hate gratuitous gruesome accounts of terrible crimes. But I am interested in how the police deal with them, and also I'm a huge fan of McNulty. It is weird that they both have the same surname.

 

[Well Done 99]

It was ITV, not BBC, you are correct. Off topic, what is a "tv license?"

I can't answer for 2goldfish but I know we canned TV and Radio Licences here decades ago.
It was an annual permit fee (a tax) levied to households for the 'privelege' (lol) of owning a TV and radio and having access to the airwaves.
An absolute rort. My parents used to cringe in fear because they didn't have a licence .... and the heavies were likely to turn up unannounced at any time.

 

[strawberry]

:floorlaugh:
We should hope not strawberry!
I was fifteen, so old enough to experience it but not old enough to have gotten myself into any trouble.
As a country boy I wasn't part of the revolutionary scene, was never going to have the opportunity to continue on with a tertiary education and was bursting at the seams to do my part in Vietnam. Joined the army in 1974 ...... and they all came home!
Oh well, at least I'd been educated by the best .....Maxwell Smart and The Man From Uncle.

LOL! Well thank you for volunteering in Nam..my father was there when I was born. Your story reminds me of my grandfather..he had three kids and was finally drafted into WWII at the very end. The story is he was in line to get inducted when the war ended (I guess the war in Japan, who knows..these stories become legendary). Anyway the story is my grandmother was off getting drunk because she was so upset and he got sent home. Not sure where the three kids were. :waitasec: :lol:

 

[Well Done 99]

LOL! Well thank you for volunteering in Nam..my father was there when I was born. Your story reminds me of my grandfather..he had three kids and was finally drafted into WWII at the very end. The story is he was in line to get inducted when the war ended (I guess the war in Japan, who knows..these stories become legendary). Anyway the story is my grandmother was off getting drunk because she was so upset and he got sent home. Not sure where the three kids were. :waitasec: :lol:

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
What a great story.
My wife wouldn't be getting drunk because I was leaving ... it'd be because I was coming back.
(just kidding - I think)

 

[ZsaZsa]

It was ITV, not BBC, you are correct. Off topic, what is a "tv license?"

A TV licence is a yearly fee paid by British viewers in order to receive all of the BBC's TV and radio programs. By paying that fee all programs are kept free of commercials, and maintain independence from political and shareholder interests.