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[vlpate]

Yes, I believe Caylee died in a tragic accident, KC had a mental break, placed Caylee in the woods (trash heap if you prefer), remained in denial until Dec 11th, and that KC was not guilty of the murder or child abuse charges against her.

I think Caylee slipped out the door, climbed the ladder, and drowned in the pool. I think KC was on the computer or texting when this occurred. In the everyday real world, parents get sidetracked, and children run into the road and get killed by cars in the blink of an eye. In Florida, hundreds of children drown every year and how many of those deaths are caused by a parent getting sidetracked for a couple of minutes, because that is all it takes.

As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

Where I part ways is the mental break that lasted 3 years - to the point she accused her own father of molesting her and handing her a dead Caylee. Heat of the moment panic? Happens all the time...."moment" being the operative word.

There's no excuse for 3 years of lying to the point you destroy the lives of all you have left in the world. Of course, IMO, Casey, typical of a sociopath, walked away from her family when Jose Baez walked in. They never look back because they don't feel emotional pain - and, thus, leaving Caylee in a swamp - done with her to move on to a boyfriend. And it goes on and on and always will.

 

[MarthaM]

I'm referring to the people who keep bringing up the same arguments, over and over. The duct tape, for one. There are those who STILL want to argue it wasn't over her face, that it floated there, that Casey didn't put it there. The science says otherwise, has for a LONG time. I'm tired of having to refer back to it time and again.

I have no problem with people who have other opinions than my own. There are some I respect because they are respectful right back. But the ones who keep bringing up the same arguments that have been asked and answered I don't know how many times by the same solid science? Obviously those people can't wrap their minds around Casey having done this horrible deed. Otherwise those same arguments wouldn't keep coming up. Over. And Over. and OVER!

Don't those who firmly believe the prosecutors proved their case also keep bringing up the same arguments over and over and over?

And that's as it should be. Looking at evidence in cases involves human beings and the process of thinking and reaching conclusions, so there's no reason to think that everyone is going to accept that something is 'solid science'. If it were that easy, we wouldn't have juries and we wouldn't have much to discuss about trials. We'd just plug all the info into a computer and would come up with a scientific result every time. It doesn't and can't work that way.

Maybe that's not you in particular. But I see it come up time and again, and I want to just bang my head against a wall. That's what I'm talking about, the resurfacing of arguments that good, solid science has already answered. I know that some people will always view this as accident. There's going to be disagreement forever there. I'm fine with that. I'm just tired of getting my intelligence insulted by those who twist, warp, or ignore the science in saying that this was an accident. That just doesn't work because of the science. And no one has offered solid scientific proof to back up their claims on that either.

We can agree to disagree, but science doesn't lie. Logic and reason doesn't lie. It is simply illogical and against scientific and expert opinion that Casey didn't do this horrible crime, all IMO.

I haven't seen anyone insult your intelligence, or that of anyone else who thinks the verdict should have been Guilty. It sounds like you're taking opposing views to be some sort of insult against you, and that's not the case. Just because someone disagrees with your interpretation doesn't mean they have a negative opinion of YOU or your intelligence.

And actually, science may not lie but there are a whole lot of gray areas with it. Haven't you seen trial after trial where the prosecutors bring on a credible expert witness to analyze a piece of evidence, and then the defense brings on a credible expert witness who analyzes the same evidence in a completely different way? It happens all the time.

A courtroom isn't a laboratory, and shouldn't function as one. Science comes into play, but it's not the be-all and end-all of a trial.

 

[MarthaM]

Snipped by me...

RBBM

That said, I understand just as well the frustration of those who are damn sure the jury got it wrong, wrong, wrong.... Likewise, I don't see how anyone could have any reasonable doubt - it seems unbelievable to me, too. Especially on the Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child charge. I'll never understand how she wasn't at the very least convicted on that charge.

I wondered about that too when the verdicts first came in, but when I reread the jury instruction on that charge I could see why they didn't convict on even that. It defines 'child abuse' to mean 'the intentional infliction of physical or mental injury upon a child...', and says that Casey had to have 'knowingly or willfully committed child abuse on Caylee...' IMO, if they didn't believe it was proven that Casey duct-taped or chloroformed Caylee to kill her, they didn't believe she did that to abuse her, either. It's basically the same action involved in all the charges, and if they threw that out then there's nothing left to convict on.

Now, if there'd been a charge for concealing a corpse (or whatever that crime is called in Florida), I think they would have convicted on that one.

Link for jury instructions: http://www.scribd.com/doc/59297005/Jury-Instructions-Casey-Anthony

 

[Justin Tyme]

It appears that some think I'm just trying to cause friction. I assure all that is not the case. I simply agree with the verdict for I believe the PT did not prove that 1) Casey committed murder, 2) that Caylee WAS murdered, and 3) that Casey was even guilty of the lessor included charges. As to any theory, I've not honed in on one, I have a couple that I go back and forth on. But none the less they are simply that - theories. One may contradict another as I siphor through the evidence or lack there of trying to make sense of it all. Some of my post are more thought out than others. So if I have offended anyone with my imperfect thoughts and you feel I'm wasting your time, I do apologize. I'm not a lawyer, detective, scientist, or a chemist and never claimed to be. I'm simply interested in this case and happen to have a different opinion than the majority on here. I'm not nearly as well spoken as most of you but I'm far from stupid, an alien. I'm certainly not trying to be a comedian, Nor am I from a bazzaro world. But by all means feel free to ignore me should you chose.

I don't chose to ignore you. I would like to ask you a question or two. Have you thought about who you think is responsible for Caylee's death if not Casey? Would you care to share? Do you feel that she's innocent? If so, what lead you to that conclusion? OR - Do you feel that she's guilty and the state didn't prove their case? I'm just trying to understand why some don't feel that she's guilty or in anyway responsible for the death of her daughter. Thank you in advance.

 

[Justin Tyme]

Yes, I believe Caylee died in a tragic accident, KC had a mental break, placed Caylee in the woods (trash heap if you prefer), remained in denial until Dec 11th, and that KC was not guilty of the murder or child abuse charges against her.

I think Caylee slipped out the door, climbed the ladder, and drowned in the pool. I think KC was on the computer or texting when this occurred. In the everyday real world, parents get sidetracked, and children run into the road and get killed by cars in the blink of an eye. In Florida, hundreds of children drown every year and how many of those deaths are caused by a parent getting sidetracked for a couple of minutes, because that is all it takes.

As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

May I ask you then, do these parents then go about their life's in a matter of minutes to hours as if nothing has happened after the said accident? I think not. They call 911 and their family and friends. I just can't see where Casey had any break with reality. If she had a break with reality it didn't seem to affect anything else in her life. She still had enough reasoning to hide her body and go about her life like a wild party animal as she had been doing prior to Caylee's death. Picture this...you're on your computer or texting and your child drowns in the pool. You find your child and then you place them in the trunk of your car. You get back on the phone or texting with your boyfriend as if nothing has happened. You go and rent movies about someone being kidnapped and being placed in the trunk of a car. Then you spend the night with your boyfriend having such good sex that neither of you even get out of the bed the next day and then you carry on as if nothing has happened until your Mother tracks you down and calls the police? Does that about sum it up. So, when do you think her break with reality occured? I'm just trying to understand the reasoning in this?

 

[logicalgirl]

LOL another computer breakdown for me! And when I come back, what do I see?

Oh sniff!

Do publish your findings. I await with (a)bated breath.

In fact, today I found my duct tape in my bathroom - an experiment that a couple of us performed... I'll take it a bit further and see what a Chicago winter will bring... But I will need a decaying thing to wrap it around. Hmmm, all my kids are grown...

LOL - you too? You crack me up!!!

 

[logicalgirl]

Maybe it would help to make a distinction between whether we 'get it' and whether we agree. I can't speak for others who don't think the prosecutors proved their case, but I completely understand what you and others say about the evidence. I get it. But I don't share that same view. And looking at evidence involves analysis and thought and consideration, so it's not at all unusual that everyone's not going to see the same thing. Not seeing the same thing doesn't mean anybody doesn't 'get it'.

There is one thing I don't 'get', and that's why it's so important that others not have an opposing view. I don't need or want anybody else to change their view to mine. Why would I?

I don't know who you're referring to here who doesn't want to believe Casey is guilty; I haven't seen anyone say that or imply that. That makes it sound like people are here defending Casey (the person) or sticking up for her in some way, and I've seen none of that, either. I have no feelings one way or the other about Casey; she was just the defendant in this case... a case which the prosecution failed to prove.

This is where I get confused because you respond to post after post after post to say you don't agree, but offer no specifics except that's not your opinion. I guess I'm saying if you are indifferent, why comment at all - and I ask that question with respect...what is the point of commenting at all? In a discussion forum...
Again, with respect...

 

[logicalgirl]

Snipped by me...



I wondered about that too when the verdicts first came in, but when I reread the jury instruction on that charge I could see why they didn't convict on even that. It defines 'child abuse' to mean 'the intentional infliction of physical or mental injury upon a child...', and says that Casey had to have 'knowingly or willfully committed child abuse on Caylee...' IMO, if they didn't believe it was proven that Casey duct-taped or chloroformed Caylee to kill her, they didn't believe she did that to abuse her, either. It's basically the same action involved in all the charges, and if they threw that out then there's nothing left to convict on.

Now, if there'd been a charge for concealing a corpse (or whatever that crime is called in Florida), I think they would have convicted on that one.

Link for jury instructions: http://www.scribd.com/doc/59297005/Jury-Instructions-Casey-Anthony

Why would the jury believe that not calling 911 if your child appears that she may have drowned, to seek medical help? I consider it child abuse if you take no extra steps except to bag and toss her. How would she even have known for sure Caylee was dead?

 

[MarthaM]

This is where I get confused because you respond to post after post after post to say you don't agree, but offer no specifics except that's not your opinion. I guess I'm saying if you are indifferent, why comment at all - and I ask that question with respect...what is the point of commenting at all? In a discussion forum...
Again, with respect...

I don't agree. :floorlaugh:

Just kidding.

Seriously... your take on it may be that I don't offer specifics and that I'm indifferent, but that's not how I see it. I've posted reasons why I agree with the verdicts and would have voted the same way, but I don't see any point to going on and on about it. So sometimes I post more generally, just because. At this point, I know all of the arguments for and against every piece of evidence and rehashing the specifics isn't all that fascinating to me.

But in the end it probably all comes down to how each of us views the internet, discussion boards, and this board in particular. I just see the internet as one great big learning place, kind of like a cross between a huge library and a talk show. Before the internet, I used to physically go to the library and read up on all different opinions about issues and current events. I used to watch CourtTV back in the 90s and what I most enjoyed was seeing how their different commentators and analysts would look at the evidence presented in court that day and not always agree on what it meant. I still like listening to radio talk shows (not the politcal ones, just regular talk shows) and hearing all the different views on a subject. I use the internet the same way. I like to see all the different ways people react to the same thing, whether it's evidence in a trial or opinions about a hot topic. I've never felt the need to convince others to think the same way I do, or to come out the victor in a debate. I just like reading what someone says and thinking, 'Oh, I never thought of it that way', or 'Yes, that makes sense' or 'No, I don't agree with that'. I'll defend my positions to a point, but that's not the most interesting thing about participating on discussion boards for me.

Sometimes things frustrate or annoy me on message boards, including this one, but the annoyance doesn't come from hearing different opinions or realizing that not everyone agrees with me.

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

I don't agree. :floorlaugh:

Just kidding.

Seriously... your take on it may be that I don't offer specifics and that I'm indifferent, but that's not how I see it. I've posted reasons why I agree with the verdicts and would have voted the same way, but I don't see any point to going on and on about it. So sometimes I post more generally, just because. At this point, I know all of the arguments for and against every piece of evidence and rehashing the specifics isn't all that fascinating to me.

But in the end it probably all comes down to how each of us views the internet, discussion boards, and this board in particular. I just see the internet as one great big learning place, kind of like a cross between a huge library and a talk show. Before the internet, I used to physically go to the library and read up on all different opinions about issues and current events. I used to watch CourtTV back in the 90s and what I most enjoyed was seeing how their different commentators and analysts would look at the evidence presented in court that day and not always agree on what it meant. I still like listening to radio talk shows (not the politcal ones, just regular talk shows) and hearing all the different views on a subject. I use the internet the same way. I like to see all the different ways people react to the same thing, whether it's evidence in a trial or opinions about a hot topic. I've never felt the need to convince others to think the same way I do, or to come out the victor in a debate. I just like reading what someone says and thinking, 'Oh, I never thought of it that way', or 'Yes, that makes sense' or 'No, I don't agree with that'. I'll defend my positions to a point, but that's not the most interesting thing about participating on discussion boards for me.

Sometimes things frustrate or annoy me on message boards, including this one, but the annoyance doesn't come from hearing different opinions or realizing that not everyone agrees with me.

Sometimes I get annoyed at the mention of aliens, alien abductions, belief in aliens, alien brain transplants, etc.

My ex is an alien.

 

[RR0004]

Where I part ways is the mental break that lasted 3 years - to the point she accused her own father of molesting her and handing her a dead Caylee. Heat of the moment panic? Happens all the time...."moment" being the operative word.

There's no excuse for 3 years of lying to the point you destroy the lives of all you have left in the world. Of course, IMO, Casey, typical of a sociopath, walked away from her family when Jose Baez walked in. They never look back because they don't feel emotional pain - and, thus, leaving Caylee in a swamp - done with her to move on to a boyfriend. And it goes on and on and always will.

ITA. I never heard the DT offer up a mental break...wouldn't they have if it were true? Instead they used the "I came from a house of liars (and molesters) therefore I lie, too" explanation. I'm all for theories, but based on what? Where was there ever proof of a mental break? I didn't want to believe a mother could do what I believe Casey did...but I can't logically explain her behavior from June 16th on as a "mental break". I've known people who have had these breaks...and they're out running in the street naked. Not to say that someone who finds there daughter dead coudn't suffer a break in reality, but I would imagine they'd be found in a catatonic state, not busy taping and triple bagging their daughter. JMHO

 

[PeteyGirl]

Yes, I believe Caylee died in a tragic accident, KC had a mental break, placed Caylee in the woods (trash heap if you prefer), remained in denial until Dec 11th, and that KC was not guilty of the murder or child abuse charges against her.

I think Caylee slipped out the door, climbed the ladder, and drowned in the pool. I think KC was on the computer or texting when this occurred. In the everyday real world, parents get sidetracked, and children run into the road and get killed by cars in the blink of an eye. In Florida, hundreds of children drown every year and how many of those deaths are caused by a parent getting sidetracked for a couple of minutes, because that is all it takes.

As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

Granted . . .

But how many find their dead child, triple bag her, wrap duct tape around/near/ her face/head and dump her in a swamp and make up a kidnapping Nanny and sit in jail for three years awaiting trial for murder?

ZERO.

 

[PeteyGirl]

I don't agree. :floorlaugh:

Just kidding.

Seriously... your take on it may be that I don't offer specifics and that I'm indifferent, but that's not how I see it. I've posted reasons why I agree with the verdicts and would have voted the same way, but I don't see any point to going on and on about it. So sometimes I post more generally, just because. At this point, I know all of the arguments for and against every piece of evidence and rehashing the specifics isn't all that fascinating to me.

But in the end it probably all comes down to how each of us views the internet, discussion boards, and this board in particular. I just see the internet as one great big learning place, kind of like a cross between a huge library and a talk show. Before the internet, I used to physically go to the library and read up on all different opinions about issues and current events. I used to watch CourtTV back in the 90s and what I most enjoyed was seeing how their different commentators and analysts would look at the evidence presented in court that day and not always agree on what it meant. I still like listening to radio talk shows (not the politcal ones, just regular talk shows) and hearing all the different views on a subject. I use the internet the same way. I like to see all the different ways people react to the same thing, whether it's evidence in a trial or opinions about a hot topic. I've never felt the need to convince others to think the same way I do, or to come out the victor in a debate. I just like reading what someone says and thinking, 'Oh, I never thought of it that way', or 'Yes, that makes sense' or 'No, I don't agree with that'. I'll defend my positions to a point, but that's not the most interesting thing about participating on discussion boards for me.

Sometimes things frustrate or annoy me on message boards, including this one, but the annoyance doesn't come from hearing different opinions or realizing that not everyone agrees with me.

To me, a point of view I don't agree with is an opportunity to try on a new hat, try out a new point of view.

Where I get frustrated (and this is my own problem) is when I spend some brain glucose to think through my "side" and present it, and hope the alternate POV will do the same. I'm replying to your post but do not mean to single YOU out in particular. But I'm chomping for some serious "shooting back" at me, TELL me, give me what you are thinking about the facts and how you put them together and why.

Perhaps I am not adequately recognizing that when it happens. But like others, I feel very disappointed when "just my opinion" or "it's just how I see it" is the "answer".

I don't believe that "how I see it" is all that relevant (I'm talking about me, how Peteygirl sees it). And I definitely put no significance on someone else's "opinion", including when they agree with me . I believe I see it through many eyes, not simply my own. I see it through the eyes of the CSIs, the detectives and the prosecutors who knit the story together, and ONLY happen to concur with 98%, a healthy majority, of their conclusions. I'm a hanger-on, an observer. Any personal contribution of my own is immaterial.

When you say "I don't see how the DA proved Casey had any culpability in the death of her daughter" I want to hear WHY, and when I come back, go deeper just like I'm doing.

I am genuinely curious, and actually respect POVs different than my own.

I don't feel as though people who don't share my POV "don't get it". That's because I am not so sure that I myself "get it" 100%.

I enjoy a good debate, where there is mutual respect, and personal stuff is at a minimum. No one is accused of being stupid or wrong. Give me your best shot, I love it! If I am offensive, I am very willing to retract or examine myself and then retract.

OF COURSE I think you and other folks who agree with the jury are wrong wrong wrong. But I'm sure you are all intelligent, well meaning folks. Just perhaps missing a few important details? I'm not convinced you are, and I'm willing to hear your side of things.

I am completely willing to be proved WRONG. I have been, plenty of times, when I felt very convinced LOL!!

And of course this trial is completely over and nothing I say or think of is going to make a dam bit of difference. I will experience NO personal satisfaction from changing anyone's mind but MY OWN.

 

[BellaVita]

Post snipped and bolded by me.
scanning over the last few posts in this thread I realized that I can disprove some of these statements! duct tape magically losing its adhesiveness, then getting it back? sure...not magically, and probably not to the extent that you would end up with the results here. but...tape gets pulled off, temps go down and adhesive hardens to some extent, water moves said tape, weather changes and the heat comes back/adhesive softens and becomes sticky once again. I have personally seen, and done this! so, unless you have tried this yourself, your opinion is just that, your opinion. why would you label somebody with some ugly name because they have offered an opinion?

RK destroying scene? I can see that! doesnt make me a KC supporter, nor am I thinking that RK did something to destroy the scene on purpose. I dont think it so strange that duct tape got attached to the skull/hair then fell over the rest of the skull when he picked it up with his tool. no, I dont support KC at all. for me not too much has been proven with this case. Jury got it right, DA should have went for lesser....

What you are describing in the first part of your post has nothing to do with what happened in this case. Yes, if tape has been applied to something and is pulled off by someone, it most certainly can retain some adhesive qualities especially if not subjected to extreme elements. That is NOT what happened in this case. The tape was exposed to extreme heat and humidity for 2 months before the 30 inches of rain fell. Then it spent 3 more months submerged in standing water. It is still very hot in Orlando during most of those months. Within a month of the evaporation of the water, RK again reported that he found Caylee. So, during that one month time, tape that had detached from the garbage or laundry bag during extreme weather conditions, somehow became adhesive again? But only the parts that stuck to her hair? And it just happened to form a sling holding the skull together? And according to autopsy Caylee most likely would have been completely skeletonized in 2 weeks' time resulting in seperation of the mandible long before the 30 inches of rain and the magical journey of the floating tape.

It would not only be strange that the duct tape regained its adhesiveness after all that described above, it would be impossible and I am comfortable stating that without reservation.

What lesser charges did you want? There were six charges to consider ranging from manslaughter to first-degree and two different child abuse charges. Alot to choose from.

 

[lauriej]

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At that time she had already been charged with murder. At some point early in 2009 a statement signed by KC claimed the states attorney wanted her to plead guilty to something she did not do. I think JA offered some sort of plea deal that required KC to admit to murdering Caylee, and she refused to admit that. Not long after that, the state reinstated the DP to her murder charge. She also had the fraud charges pending, as well as the ZFG civil trial. I think JA offered a plea deal, and KC told him Caylee had accidently drowned. He didn't believe her, and told her she had to admit to murdering Caylee or the deal was off the table.

As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

..the "plea deal" was offered by LDB (not JA) in august 2008----limited use immunity if she wished to "participate in locating her child".

..emails from LDB---baez.

July 29th/08

Mr. Baez
It is my understanding that on July 25th, you requested that members of OCSO contact me about possible use immunity for your client if she were to make another statement to LE concerning her daughter Caylee.
LDB.

August 25th/08

sent to baez----(sgt. allen and commander irwin, who were also at the Aug.12th meeting, are copied on this email as well).

The offer regarding limited use immunity that i emailed you about July 29th--------and discussed with you in person on August 12th/08 ----expires on August 28th at noon.
By that date you will have had sufficient "private time" with your client to determine if she wishes to participate in locating her child. If I don't hear from you I will assume she has no such interest, and will proceed accordingly.
LDB.

...( that offer was subsequently extended to september 2nd----no reply from baez/kc .)

..the affadavit by kc in early '09 had to do with the states motion re: conflict of interest---(IE: is baez in this for the $$$??)

..she added in the dig to ashton ( that had zero to do with the motion )--in her own scrawl on an otherwise typed doc--- on her own..

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0310/18900892.pdf
--kc affadavit---retainer agreement with baez--

--#'s 1 through 6 typed...( no one is selling my story, blah di blah.)

--# 7. (handwritten) "I believe that Mr.Ashton is angry because I have refused to take a plea agreement for a crime that I DID NOT commit."

( the defense/kc were mad that ashton filed HIS 'conflict of interest' motion on the heels of THEIR motion crying the blues that they had been video-taped meeting in jail..)

---therefore: the personal line to JA---via baez-- from baez/kc...had nothing to do with the old plea deal possibility from months ago..

 

[lauriej]

What lesser charges did you want? There were six charges to consider ranging from manslaughter to first-degree and two different child abuse charges. Alot to choose from.

..just for the record-----and the jury had these right in front of them..(somewhere...)

( although we have heard at least the foreman and jenniferF complain that they "wished" they had other charges to go with....but boo hoo hoo , "they wanted ME to be a murderer, and i couldn't live with that"...)

..per the jury insructions----(including the "you're a liarX4") --they had 13 choices.

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/04/jury-instructions-in-the-casey-anthony-trial/
--jury insructions--

MURDER – FIRST DEGREE
§ 782.04(1)(a), Fla. Stat.

FELONY MURDER – FIRST DEGREE
§ 782.04(1)(a), Fla. Stat.

AGGRAVATED CHILD ABUSE
§ 827.03(2), Fla. Stat.

AGGRAVATED MANSLAUGHTER OF A CHILD
§ 782.07, Fla. Stat.

FALSE INFORMATION TO LAW ENFORCEMENT
§ 837.055,Fla.Stat.

WHEN THERE ARE LESSER INCLUDED CRIMES

In considering the evidence, you should consider the possibility that although the evidence may not convince you that the defendant committed the main crimes of which she is accused, there may be evidence that she committed other acts that would constitute a lesser included crime.

MURDER – SECOND DEGREE
§ 782.04(2), Fla. Stat.

MANSLAUGHTER
§ 782.07, Fla. Stat.

FELONY MURDER – THIRD DEGREE
§ 782.04(4), Fla. Stat.

ATTEMPT TO COMMIT CRIME
§ 777.04(1), Fla. Stat.

CHILD ABUSE
§ 827.03(1), Fla. Stat.

 

[pcrum12]

I don't chose to ignore you. I would like to ask you a question or two. Have you thought about who you think is responsible for Caylee's death if not Casey? Would you care to share? Do you feel that she's innocent? If so, what lead you to that conclusion? OR - Do you feel that she's guilty and the state didn't prove their case? I'm just trying to understand why some don't feel that she's guilty or in anyway responsible for the death of her daughter. Thank you in advance.

I think it was a tragic drowning accident. I don't think anyone is responsible. If the State had charged her correctly, say for not reporting the accident, for improper disposal of a corpse, I believe the jury would have found her guilty of those charges., Of course, as any parent that has lost a child, most tend to blame themselves regardless. I don't find it unusual that Casey fought the charges against her. But, I think it's very possible that privately, she does blame her self. All JMO.

 

[Ms.Heather]

I'd bet that most people who watched the trial had already made up their minds beforehand.

I certainly did. I didn't need the trial to review the evidence... sunshine laws and all.

 

[lauriej]

I think it was a tragic drowning accident. I don't think anyone is responsible. If the State had charged her correctly, say for not reporting the accident, for improper disposal of a corpse, I believe the jury would have found her guilty of those charges., Of course, as any parent that has lost a child, most tend to blame themselves regardless. I don't find it unusual that Casey fought the charges against her. But, I think it's very possible that privately, she does blame her self. All JMO.

..and when exactly was the state supposed to do this?

..right up until trial, kc was maintaining her innocence, going with the zanny kidnapped caylee story.

..it wasn't until OS that baez switched it up -----we're now going with the drowning/dysfunctional family (with a side of sexual abuse) story...

( sorry about those wasted 3 years jeff/linda/frank while you prepared your murder prosecution..)

..they had a death penalty seated jury...to try a capital murder case.

..i don't KNOW if the state , after hearing the defense OS can suddenly say "hey wait a sec...we want to amend the charges then to 'not reporting the accident and improper disposal'...."

..but i doubt it.

..and i do hope, that privately, and all day every day---forever----kc does blame herself.

 

[sacrablue]

Wake up people. If your child is lost in a pool accident, are you going to put the body in the trunk of your car in a garbage bag and dump the child in the woods? I for the life of me can not believe how anyone could still believe this thought process.