Sidebar for Caylee Anthony's forum #14

[Bravo]

I dont understand how the Jurors dismissed the tape. That tape survived all the weeks and months exposed to such harsh elements. It told a story. A story of Murder. If the Jurors believed a drowning why would somebody tape a child's face placed in a garbage and laundry bag. There is no logic except it being a method of Murder. I was sorry for Caylee when the news hit of the duct tape. I was happy for the case as i thought it sealed the deal for a Jury it was Murder :banghead:

 

[coco puff]

She was two. She was found in the woods. Dead. Packed in laundry bags. With duct tape holding the mandible in place. After an accidental drownng???? While her mother lied repeatedly about what happend to her??? How stupidest does jb think we are?

 

[Bravo]

I think Baez had the Jurors in Opening. With the p*nis in the mouth story :furious: It explained poor, molested, irrational FCA. George was a molester,cheater,lousy provider who either murdered Caylee or covered up the drowning :furious: George was the perfect patsy. He doesn't present well. Defensive when he didn't need to be and weak when he should have been stronger. George served himself up to Baez on a silver platter. MOO

 

[grammieto5]

I've been wondering why this new evidence was shared with a friend of JB's? Why not shared with someone who would not have had JB on as a guest to talk about his book?

 

[Nore]

ok, I will bite. again. my snip, btw, I'll only reply to this bit, because when I hear something like this, I just think maybe not everyone has read all the documents. because according to the documents, ALL THE STICKINESS WAS GONE. the reason the tape was still present in its original position was because the ends were taped to caylee's hair on either side, becoming matted and tangled in throughout the time spent underwater, decaying, and being worried at by animals. the tape, because of the matting of the ends in her hair, remained so tight against her face that HER. TEETH. WERE. STILL. IN. PLACE. when the remains were found.

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Exactly!! :banghead:

 

[Steely Dan]

ok, I will bite. again. my snip, btw, I'll only reply to this bit, because when I hear something like this, I just think maybe not everyone has read all the documents. because according to the documents, ALL THE STICKINESS WAS GONE. the reason the tape was still present in its original position was because the ends were taped to caylee's hair on either side, becoming matted and tangled in throughout the time spent underwater, decaying, and being worried at by animals. the tape, because of the matting of the ends in her hair, remained so tight against her face that HER. TEETH. WERE. STILL. IN. PLACE. when the remains were found.

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Exactly!! :banghead:

I'm just asking because I'm not sure, but don't the teeth always stay with a skull? :waitasec:

 

[CaptainKangaroo]

I'm just asking because I'm not sure, but don't the teeth always stay with a skull? :waitasec:

Not the mandible/lower teeth.

 

[TorisMom003]

For the simple reason that duct tape is sticky and will adhere to stuff. If it is wrapped around a body during decomposition, bits of skin and facial hair (stuff that is more resistant to decomposition) would have been attached to it and traces would still be there when it was recovered. They didn't find anything like that, where ever the duct tape was originally, it probably wasn't on her face.

Remember the hair with the "death ring" or whatever they called it? That doesn't happen right away, you have to have decomposition first. And if the body was contained in a bag, that hair could not have gotten out. In other words, if it really was a hair from her corpse, the corpse must have been somewhere outside the bag for a considerably length of time. That could not have been in the car itself because then body fluids would have been found, and they were not. So where the hell was it during that time?

So, for the hair to be in the car, and assuming the car was used to transport the wrapped body to the swamp, the body must have been lying in the house and decomposing for a long time. Remember, all the stuff used to contain the body apparently came from the house. The hair could have been then transferred to the outside of the bag during wrapping and subsequently deposited in the car. Note: the body must have been in the house for a considerable period of time for that to have happened. How can the parents have been unaware of that when they lived there? How could Casey have done that when her parents said she took off right after the last time they saw Caylee alive? The parents version of events is not credible, and they are the primary line of evidence implicating Casey.

The prosecutions own evidence proves that their theory of events could not possibly have happened the way they said.

The tape has already been addressed, several times in fact. But I will say it again. The tape had to have already been on Caylee's face for her mandible and teeth to still be in place when Caylee was found. There was animal activity that moved Caylee around, flooding from storm Fay that moved Caylee around, and complete decomposition during the six months that Caylee was in the wooded area before she was found. During ALL of that the tape remained in place so tightly that Caylee's mandible and teeth were still in place. I'll let that sink in. Think about it and visualize it. It would be IMPOSSIBLE for her mandible and teeth to still be in place UNLESS the three pieces of duct tape were put on her face before decomposition occurred.

The hair with the death band. The bags were not completely closed and had to have leaked some at some point. The reason behind this assertion is the fact that the Pontiac still smelled of death 3 years after the fact. The carpet from the trunk was in the courtroom. It still smelled during the trial. There was expert witness testimony that explained that Caylee (or some other dead person, and Caylee was the only dead person that Casey knew at the time) had been in the trunk of the car for at least 2.5 days. A car trunk, in the summer, in Florida heat, in two black trash bags. Decomposition would occur rather quickly in those conditions.

Cindy and George may be alot of things but they did not kill Caylee. They did not move Caylee's body. They did not have a dead, decomposing Caylee in their home that they finally triple bagged and put at the swapy wooded area. When LE arrived at the house that night they would have smelled decomposition if Caylee had decomposed in the house as the claim appears to now possibly be. Casey's car is the only place where that smell was at. Cadaver dogs hit OUTSIDE the home in the back yard and Casey's car. I'll repeat that, the cadaver dogs hit on CASEY'S CAR. Casey abandoned the car by a dumpster. Casey had sent a text to a friend (Amy I believe) about a dead squirrel being under her car plastered to the frame. Casey had to find a way to explain the smell of death that came from her car. Period. The car held a decomposing body in it. Period. The State proved this. Unfortunately the jury refused to listen and pay attention.

 

[Steely Dan]

You are too kind. I think dialing up OCSO and convincing them to send you the files took a bit of work, and then you invested a lot of time crawling through them...so let's just agree it was a team effort. :thumb:

Makes you wonder what else is on the computer in unallocated space. Mozilla entries between late March and early June are missing. Assuming they were not over-written by the Windows file system, they would still be out there in unallocated space. One might be able to find them by doing a search for "google", "facebook", "photobucket", or "myspace".

(Just saying) :whistle:

I think that both of you deserve more credit than you're willing to take. So to settle this without either of you feeling over acclaimed I will, just to be nice, take all of the credit for you.

I think you can if that person has signed into a password protected account.
I doubt George was given access to Casey's passwords.

I totally agree. Especially because her fantasy life was spelled out pretty well on FF. JMO

Color me confused...Maybe I need more coffee... If they failed to extract the browser and provided less than two percent of the day's activities and 17 Internet Explorer items were given versus 1247 Firefox items that were missed then how were those files turned over to the defense? :waitasec:

The hard drive was copied and given to both the prosecution and the defense. JB had smarter computer analysts.

Not the mandible/lower teeth.

Ok, got it. Thanks.

 

[krkrjx]

Pippitone is slamming the prosecution, but I must say, I'm of the mindset that it has come out now as I am not thinking that the Pin 12 would have even understood.

I agree.

IMO, putting this evidence in with an "expert" testifying about it would probably not have had much effect without a clear explanation at about 8th grade level of what it all means.

But, I am not sure with that jury if it would have been possible to get through the haze when you consider that in spite of all the evidence, at least one juror said they were not sure Caylee had ever been in the trunk. And they chalked Cindy's lies up to her being on medication, yet apparently bought the notion that she could have searched for "chloraform."

So WTH is the prosecution supposed to do with jurors who are simply not interested? You can open one's eyes, but you cannot force them to see.

 

[katydid23]

If Baez is so convinced that GEORGE searched for suffocation, and George molested Casey, and was the one that dumped poor Caylee in the swamp, then why doesn't he see that George is charged with something. Why doesn't he go to the DA with all of his super strong evidence and press charges?

 

[pearl]

I apologize in advance if my question has been asked and answered. I just can't keep up with the threads. I know Casey can't be tried for Caylee's death again due to double jeopardy. Can the feds put her on trail for violating Caylee's civil rights? I know that some old murders where there was an acquittal, years later the feds took the defendants to court for violating the civil rights of their victims and got convictions.

 

[debloree]

I'm still angry too! Thinking about poor lil Caylee and then after the verdict...the defense team partying it up and flipping the bird out the window. They knew she was guilty and yet still chose to act like they won the lottery. So disgusting but I am in awe of both Az & JWG for setting the record straight. Thank you so much for all you've done.

 

[Caligram]

To AZ and JWG Thank you for your perserverance and detective work. You did an excellent job. We all knew ACA did it, but this should have given the prosecutors a very narrow focus and they spun their wheels in so many other directions. It was a long and winding road, and it is still hard for me to let go of this case, to say it's done, it's over.

Caylee Marie Angelbabe: I think of you whenever I glance up at the moon, and then blow baby kisses to you.

Happy Thanksgiving everybody. Blessing.

 

[AZlawyer]

Here is a difficult question.

Did Sandra Osbourne know that there "was" a Firefox history that had not been translated or accessed?

Yes. After JB's book came out this summer, the prosecutors asked her to confirm that there was really a "fool-proof suffication" search, and she was able to access the files at that time, so I don't know what changed. By the time I contacted her in late July, she already knew all the details of the searches.

You are too kind. I think dialing up OCSO and convincing them to send you the files took a bit of work, and then you invested a lot of time crawling through them...so let's just agree it was a team effort. :thumb:

Makes you wonder what else is on the computer in unallocated space. Mozilla entries between late March and early June are missing. Assuming they were not over-written by the Windows file system, they would still be out there in unallocated space. One might be able to find them by doing a search for "google", "facebook", "photobucket", or "myspace".

(Just saying) :whistle:

Oh, I know. I wish we had been able to get the whole hard drive image.

Was there anything else other than this search that was found in the files? Any other conversations she had with friends or searches that we don't know about?

If there was, I would have posted it in the computer forensics thread. I think I did post something about Cindy's apparent attempt to investigate Casey and her friends the night before she finally tracked Casey down.

I think you can if that person has signed into a password protected account.
I doubt George was given access to Casey's passwords.

More importantly, I doubt George would have bothered accepting a Facebook friend for Casey and checking a Myspace comment in the middle of his "suicidal" search.

Color me confused...Maybe I need more coffee... If they failed to extract the browser and provided less than two percent of the day's activities and 17 Internet Explorer items were given versus 1247 Firefox items that were missed then how were those files turned over to the defense? :waitasec:

The entire hard drive was turned over to the defense. The defense extracted and reviewed the relevant internet history files. The prosecution only got partial files from OCSO.

 

[zoey]

If Baez is so convinced that GEORGE searched for suffocation, and George molested Casey, and was the one that dumped poor Caylee in the swamp, then why doesn't he see that George is charged with something. Why doesn't he go to the DA with all of his super strong evidence and press charges?

Keep in mind they offered to investigate thecalledged crime Nb and co said no thsnks

 

[Pink Panther]

Keep in mind they offered to investigate thecalledged crime Nb and co said no thsnks

I don't believe that the "Defence" can charge GA of anything. She (KC) can but she hasn't.

 

[atthelake]

:sigh:

 

[atthelake]

I tend to agree with you that this report probably wouldn't have changed THAT jurys mind.

However, it is unconscionable that every single keystroke from June 16th was not thoroughly investigated. When I first heard about this I was speechless. I just couldn't believe it. (Heck, at least June 16th...I would have gone back much further myself.) Info as vital and incriminating as this could have altered the way the prosecution chose to present it's case - they may have shifted the focus a bit.

That said, I guarantee you that NO ONE is kicking themselves harder today than OSCO and LDB & JA. NO ONE. I feel for them, especially the prosecutors. It sounds to me like LDB & JA thought this had been done. As for the OSCO, well mistakes and oversights happen. Such is life. Like it or not, we all can identify when we have screwed up big time too. This should not have happened, but it did. They are human. This is a lesson in how not to screw up so badly next time. Unfortunately, it is a very costly, public lesson.

:sigh:

 

[Pattymarie]

So then, if FCA believes her father killed her child...why hasn't she made the formal accusation?