Sidebar from 6/24 released

[ohiogirl]

If KC had anything to do with the animals dying and CA and GA turned their heads to that, her being a nurse and him a former cop, they're dumber than I ever thought. Talk about having one's head in the sand. IMO they're guilty of being accessories to a crime then as they claim KC has never been in therapy.

One early evening when my son was just eight or nine, he came into the house and announced in a casual tone that boys were smashing frogs out in the street. We get all these little frogs hopping about here and when I walk my dog, I have to look down so as not to step on one as they like the sidewalk. Anyway, when my son told me that my reaction was so stern he knew I meant business when I told him that behavior like that cannot and will not be tolerated, that it is cruel and that it is a sick individual who takes pleasure from hurting any living creature. I told him if he ever took part in that behavior he'd learn what it feels like to be smashed (I just said that for the effect). I think he came in and told me because deep down he knew it was wrong but some boy had that idea and other boys were going along with the activity.

Now, if I ever thought for one minute that my kid was harming our pets, we'd be seeing a therapist ASAP. Wth is wrong with the A's?

There was never any indication that the pets died at KC's hand. There is enough weirdness in this case without starting stories that were never brought up, imo. :crazy:

 

[stilettos]

Trust ME....KC would have met her match with me! She would have received the beat down of her life from me and I'm not joking. Cindy and George may have been afraid of KC, but I'm not. She could have plotted my demise all she wanted to, but she would have never stolen from me again, nor threatened to take my grandchild out of my house where I was paying all the bills. Even though it is hard to do, if I had to take her to court for custody, I would have. Too many parents today placate their children and try to be their friends and do not teach them to respect them and other adults.

I'm on the fence whether KC was truly planning to kill CA and GA or if she was just telling another one of her lies to impress Amy. Those searches about weapons, neck breaking, etc. make me believe that she'd given it more than just a thought. LOL.

As children grow up they should be learning life lessons, whether through guidance from their parents or the hard way.

Clearly the Anthonys were passive for a myriad of reasons with KC, and it didn't just start when she got pregnant. I'd bet my house that she has been the way she is her entire life.

Sometimes a good swift kick in the behind is in order. I am old school, just like my parents were! They did not play, had rules and expectations for all of their children and made sure that we were responsible for our actions. They showed us plenty of love, but they did not placate, overindulge, nor act like the kids ran the house and they definitely weren't afraid of their children.

My dad always told us, if you go to jail for something that you did that broke the law, I will not bail you out. That scared us 3 girls straight for LIFE! LOL

I really think that we have to go back to ICA's childhood and say...there is no way that I would not have had psychiatric intervention in this kids life. She is a sociopath and this crap did not start after the birth of Caylee. My daughter is BPD personality disordered and I went to hell and back to get her help. 63 Baker Acts in FL...5150's in GA..and inpatient tx galore. She knows that Mama don't play and while she still has social interaction issues...she does not steal from us, she knows we will put her in jail because we have. She will not harm another or herself with us, because she knows that people who hurt others or themselves belong in a hospital or jail. These parents failed their duty to their child and society. IMO.

 

[Chilly Willy]

I really think that we have to go back to ICA's childhood and say...there is no way that I would not have had psychiatric intervention in this kids life. She is a sociopath and this crap did not start after the birth of Caylee. My daughter is BPD personality disordered and I went to hell and back to get her help. 63 Baker Acts in FL...5150's in GA..and inpatient tx galore. She knows that Mama don't play and while she still has social interaction issues...she does not steal from us, she knows we will put her in jail because we have. She will not harm another or herself with us, because she knows that people who hurt others or themselves belong in a hospital or jail. These parents failed their duty to their child and society. IMO.

My daughter is also BPD. It's tough. I keep a very close watch on my granddaughter and will do whatever I have to do in order to keep her in my home. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to get help or intervention from any legal agencies until after something awful has happened.

 

[stilettos]

My daughter is also BPD. It's tough. I keep a very close watch on my granddaughter and will do whatever I have to do in order to keep her in my home. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to get help or intervention from any legal agencies until after something awful has happened.

:blowkiss:
I know...I used to call and yell at them...sorry you are going through this. My daughter has no children yet. She knows that her Mom will do anything and everything to protect her grandbabies.

 

[Daisy14]

My mother is BPD and I can tell you had it not been for my grandmom stepping in at different times in my life Lord knows where I would be now. To all you grandmothers out there with BPD daughters please continue to watch closely and don't hesitate to take that grandchild away if you suspect any kind of abuse or neglect. I can tell you life with my BD mom was hell. She didn't kill me obviously but the emotional damage was great. I wish someone would have stepped in and taken me away.

I can see so many of the same bahaviors in my mom and ICA it is scary.

 

[TxLady2]

I enjoyed the part about George's gambling getting Cindy's paycheck garnished. Just another reason why I have no sympathy for this person.

Me, too. I would bet that Cindy made more money than George EVER did. And then he goes and gambles and loses it, plus he's fooling around with another woman... while his granddaughter is missing. What a guy!

 

[Donjeta]

JP: "It is not my job to tell folks how to get things in evidence."

 

[SindyBill]

Is anyone else disgusted by this:

Ms. Drane Burdick: There's hundreds of checks that she wrote on her mother's account. Hundreds.

Mr. Baez: It's her mother.

Like its not REALLY stealing, because she only stole from her mother... That kind of excusing of behavior makes me sick.

That to me is just another example of how cowardly she is!

Bold enough to kill, but only a toddler..not someone her own size. COWARD. What, are we to think it's just a baby, so who cares? She wasn't as old as Casey, after all - now that's a REAL life! UGH.

Bold enough to steal, but only from her mild and meek grandmother, and her mother. It wasn't until after she committed murder that she began stealing money from Amy's checks. Any stealing other than that would have been opportunistic, not signing someone's checks in their names like Shirley, Cindy, and eventually Amy. COWARD.

A coward still needs to face the consequences. Needle!!

 

[JSR]

Why didn't Cindy hide her checkbook? You'd think after the first couple dozen stolen checks, that thought would occur to her.

She might have hidden it but ICA kept searching and finding it. We also don't know if ICA didn't just order her own checks from her mothers account surely if she was writing the checks she had all the info needed to order more. I bet the check numbers were totally different, which might have made it easy for the SA to know which checks were written by ICA.

 

[JSR]

There was never any indication that the pets died at KC's hand. There is enough weirdness in this case without starting stories that were never brought up, imo. :crazy:

But let's just say this. Would anyone trust ICA around their animals??? No, I wouldn't trust her to be near my animals not even 10 feet. ICA is a twisted individual and she enjoys putting others through pain, who knows if her need to hurt others would extend to those who have fur as well.

 

[Donjeta]

This theory of defense Mason is talking about isn't the brightest thing imaginable IMO.

Sure, there is enough weirdness going on that the Jury might be very willing to believe that this is a dysfunctional family that lies and covers things up. They have all been impeached by now, one way or another, and have made statements that don't make sense.

Let's say the jury believes that. It doesn't mean they have to conclude that if Baez was right about that he's right about everything. What is there to prevent them from making the next logical leap and start asking themselves, is this family dysfunctional enough to try and cover up that the daughter committed murder?

 

[Justin Tyme]

There was mention early in this case that he visited a lot of 'Escort' sites online, so gambling may not be his only weakness. Haven't heard the SA reference that though...

I'm now wondering if GA searched the escort sites or was ICA job hunting. KWIM?

 

[Cherry Ames]

That belief was reinforced even more after hearing of all Cindy's beloved animals dying. IMO.

I think Casey always killed whatever Cindy loved.....that's probably why George is still alive.

 

[twall]

There is a thread on the subject of ICA stealing and forging CA's checks. Once again, WS'ers were correct! Here is the thread.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118762&highlight=cindy's+boa+records

 

[Melanie]

Is anyone else disgusted by this:

Ms. Drane Burdick: There's hundreds of checks that she wrote on her mother's account. Hundreds.

Mr. Baez: It's her mother.

Like its not REALLY stealing, because she only stole from her mother... That kind of excusing of behavior makes me sick.

I know! I wonder if he sad "It's her friend" when referring to the checks she wrote on Amy's checking account.

How on earth did Cindy let her get away with 100's of check. 1 maybe shame on you, 2 shame on me, 3 you're going to jail. That is what I'd tell my son if he ever pulled a stunt like that.

I imagine this was during the time frame that she didn't have a job and was out and about all the time. How could Cindy not know she wasn't working?

I would love to see those checks and the reasons behind them. But more importantly, understanding Cindy's behaviour as to why she let this happen not once, not twice, not a dozen, but over 100 times!

Egads!!!

MOO

Mel

 

[twall]

I know! I wonder if he sad "It's her friend" when referring to the checks she wrote on Amy's checking account.

How on earth did Cindy let her get away with 100's of check. 1 maybe shame on you, 2 shame on me, 3 you're going to jail. That is what I'd tell my son if he ever pulled a stunt like that.

I imagine this was during the time frame that she didn't have a job and was out and about all the time. How could Cindy not know she wasn't working?

I would love to see those checks and the reasons behind them. But more importantly, understanding Cindy's behaviour as to why she let this happen not once, not twice, not a dozen, but over 100 times!

Egads!!!

MOO

Mel

You can see the checks here, page 148, BOA info. starts on page 136

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/59182780/Discovery-Pt-1-11022010

 

[Melanie]

Let's not forget - the inmate stole from even her own daughter. No one was safe around ICA - no one!

Casey Anthony stole cash out of her mother's purse, hacked into her bank account and went shopping with her credit cards, her father said.

Even her 2-year-old daughter's piggy bank wasn't safe.

Anthony raided Caylee Marie's change bank and nearly emptied a savings account established for her, George Anthony told an FBI agent during a videotaped law-enforcement interview this summer.

And if the young mother wasn't stealing money, she was borrowing it, her father said.

I guess ICA figured Caylee wouldn't be needing that money anyway Too bad those parents didn't have her locked up years ago!

MOO

Mel

Source: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2008-11-22/news/casey22_1_george-anthony-caylee-casey

 

[mitzi]

I agree. They must have all been afraid of Casey and what she might do next.

Animals dying? Whoa! Where is this documented? Sounds like Casey may have been escalating.

Just read the sidebar and halfway thru this thread...could this huge theft have something to do with Casey holding more than just taking Caylee away from Cindy. It seems like it was a much bigger thing that KC was holding over CA. Does it have anything to do with KC saying, "don't worry, I haven't said anything"? Was KC threatening the incest long before she even killed Caylee? Could KC have threatened (to get her way) something like George or Lee molested Caylee (lying, of course), and KC would 'tell' unless she got 'hush money'? What on earth was going on in that house, or not going on, that KC threatened to turn one of them in on? Something is missing in this picture.

 

[Amity]

If the hundreds of checks are accurate, it sounds like CA knew lllloooooonnng
before anyone else did that KC was not working and not taking the baby to a Nanny. She has been muddying the waters for way too long. jmo

Exactly!

And how many times did we hear "Casey is my best friend."
Sad. In Cindy's own mind, Casey was her best friend.
Look at what Casey did to her other friend, Amy.

I listened again to the Bond hearing last night.
Amazing to watch/listen to it now after knowing all we know.
At that time, Cindy either truly believed in her heart that she and Casey were very close, or she was already setting up a defense for her daughter.

We really only know what Cindy and the other A's have chosen to tell in public about Casey and her past.
We get the impression that all these changes started happening to Casey right around the time she didn't graduate.
From there, she got pregnant and the rest, is, well, history.

Cindy, Casey and the Heavens only know when the terrible behavior really started!

 

[shelbar53]

You can see the checks here, page 148, BOA info. starts on page 136

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/59182780/Discovery-Pt-1-11022010

Thanks for the link, somehow I missed this set of documents and I thought I read everything.

Woozer, how did Cindy ever afford all those checks ICA wrote.