Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #5

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evelyn24 said:
ugh..This family tree stuff is making my head spin.
I understand the boredom factor because there hasn't been any new information in the case lately. However, are we sure the people being listed are indeed family to Taylor, and even if they are do they have something to do with the murders?
If the answer is no, then who cares?

Now I don't want anybody to get offended, because I know a few people are really interested in the family tree stuff, and it's good work in pasting it all together, but IMO it's irrelevant to the murders.

JMO
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It can be boring sometimes; you're right. But I've found that more often than not, it leads directly to and/or is part of the crime.
 
PoorPaulaNNJ said:
Okay, Guys;
Now, should I go x out the Joe stuff since I cannot find the link. Or should I just keep looking??????
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Paula~
Was it on the page that showed his picture?
I'm leaving right now but I do believe it had an address below his
booking picture...
I can check when I get back.
 
Is this what one of you are looking for?

OKLAHOMA CITY
Seven indicted in contraband scheme
Seven alleged members of a motorcycle gang are facing federal charges of selling stolen guns and contraband cigarettes.
Thomas Kirby, 63; Wesley George, 49; James Oleson, 42; Dennis Shepherd, 54; Smith Justin Beal, 58; Joe Placker, 54; and Linda Shepherd, age not given, were indicted July 24 by a federal grand jury in Oklahoma City. All of them are members or associates of the Bandidos motorcycle gang, the indictment states. They allegedly conspired to sell guns and cigarettes out of Kirby's Oklahoma City apartment between November 2004 and June 2006, according to court papers.

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:49MfJkJOV7oJ:newsok.com/article/3098530+placker+site:http://newsok.com&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=45&gl=us
 
PoorPaulaNNJ said:
I put a link up about it yesterday. I cannot find the indictment. I find that HIGHLY suspicious.
And I wasn't implying that find the info meant the parents were in on it or caused it. It just showed me that there are some very dangerous people who may be around them.
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I'll look for it. Thanks
 
PoorPaulaNNJ said:
It can be boring sometimes; you're right. But I've found that more often than not, it leads directly to and/or is part of the crime.
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yea..I understand the need to figure it out, but I can't help thinking the family tree angle is the wrong direction. I guess it's worth looking at, but it makes my eyes glaze over reading it..lol
 
Littledeer said:
Is this what one of you are looking for?

OKLAHOMA CITY
Seven indicted in contraband scheme
Seven alleged members of a motorcycle gang are facing federal charges of selling stolen guns and contraband cigarettes.
Thomas Kirby, 63; Wesley George, 49; James Oleson, 42; Dennis Shepherd, 54; Smith Justin Beal, 58; Joe Placker, 54; and Linda Shepherd, age not given, were indicted July 24 by a federal grand jury in Oklahoma City. All of them are members or associates of the Bandidos motorcycle gang, the indictment states. They allegedly conspired to sell guns and cigarettes out of Kirby's Oklahoma City apartment between November 2004 and June 2006, according to court papers.

[URL="http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:49MfJkJOV7oJ:newsok.com/article/3098530+placker+site:http://newsok.com&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=45&gl=us"]http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:49MfJkJOV7oJ:newsok.com/article/3098530+placker+site:http://newsok.com&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=45&gl=us[/URL]
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Thanks!!!
 
So, now that we are NOT SPECULATING but KNOW there is a connection between Joe (Bandidos) Placker and his brother Peter (Taylor's GP) Placker the theories that it might have been a "retaliation" murder by someone within the criminal element that is (and surrounds) the Bandidos ARE possible. As in - perhaps the killer wasn't a Bandidos member but a friend of a member or a family member of a Bandidos member?? Since we have no info about the Cigarette/Guns Bandidos case or it's disposition there are at least a dozen scenarios that MIGHT have led to someone being angry enough at "A (Joe or his wife or his brother?) Placker" to retaliate by killing Taylor and Skyla - possibly without even knowing who either of them was - just that they walked out of the Placker house. Maybe the killer though they were Joe's Grandkids or something???

It sounds like the killing was done by someone with "experience" and Oklahoma prisons are filled with those types and they get paroled every day. It wouldn't be a stretch for someone in or around a group like the Bandidos to find someone like that (totally unreleted to the Plackers or the area) and send them to give the Plackers a message. And despite what OSBI says, if WE can Google the address and find the Plackers listed online - so can anyone else who can walk into a library. That house isn't THAT remote and is actually very close to HWY 75 and it's clearly easy to locate in Google Earth with a detailed map including topography. I don't think the location makes it definite in any way that the killer knew the area or was from around there. With the internet, he could have been from ANYWHERE and still have found the house and been able to exit right back onto HWY 75 in minutes.

My Opinion
 
evelyn24 said:
Now I don't want anybody to get offended, because I know a few people are really interested in the family tree stuff, and it's good work in pasting it all together, but IMO it's irrelevant to the murders.

JMO
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As long as the OSBI is quesitoning everyone around the girls it's relevant.
 
evelyn24 said:
yea..I understand the need to figure it out, but I can't help thinking the family tree angle is the wrong direction. I guess it's worth looking at, but it makes my eyes glaze over reading it..lol
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Me too! lol
 
evelyn24 said:
yea..I understand the need to figure it out, but I can't help thinking the family tree angle is the wrong direction. I guess it's worth looking at, but it makes my eyes glaze over reading it..lol
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My eyes are glazed over too. There's soooooooo much. Usually there's a dearth, but not this time. Plus everyone goes to court using nicknames as well as legal names.
 
Suzi:

I just had the same thought now when I saw Joe's picture. Can you bring forward the pics?
 
harleysnana said:
Here are the two links to Joe Placker
the first one has a picture of him.
http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/s...RTAL30&doc_num=530544&offender_book_id=315025
And this is the one about the bad check from 2003 and the warrant
issued for it on 6-12-2008.
http://www.oscn.net/applications/oc...=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2308432&db=Oklahoma
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LOL! No wonder couldn't find him. He's in the pokey. Duh! I must have looked at him a jillion times, but it didn't click. Double Duh!
 
evelyn24 said:
ugh..This family tree stuff is making my head spin.
I understand the boredom factor because there hasn't been any new information in the case lately. However, are we sure the people being listed are indeed family to Taylor, and even if they are do they have something to do with the murders?
If the answer is no, then who cares? It's becoming a tad bit confusing.

Now I don't want anybody to get offended, because I know a few people are really interested in the family tree stuff, and it's good work in pasting it all together, but IMO it's irrelevant to the murders. JMO
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Thank you for posting this. I, too, believe the concentration should be elsewhere. LE has stated the family is not suspect. I would assume this means extended family. There also has been no statement to indicate involvement with anyone connected to a family member. IMO it would be more productive to concentrate on the murder scene and possible links to drawings of the POI.

The grandparents obviously know why the parents weren't listed in the obit. It appears it's not something they wish to be public information, and I, for one, respect their decision not to involve the natural parents. They have gone through enough w/o their family history and problems being opened to the public.
 
The good news, that's just the Placker side.

The Paschal side is worse.......................way too many of them!! And if it's related to that side, I doubt we will ever find out. But I am tending to lean to the Placker name and the gang Joe is affiliated with.

Even though, it can be anything.

 
I have to run for a bit. Be back later.

But to whoever made the family tree thingy, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

See you guys later.
 
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