Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #5

[Littledeer]

strach304:

The DC sniper. I used them as an example on the last thread.

Yep, that's the one I was talking about. And now I remember it was Malvo. Sorry, I didn't catch it when you first mentioned it.

 

[Littledeer]

oceaneyes:

You said most of the trucks are white on your roads. You live in OK?
So seeing a white truck would not normally bring suspicion then if people are used to seeing them as utility trucks, etc?

Just went back to your post, and see you are "nestled in southern hospitality". So guess, you don't live in OK.

Wonder if this is the case in OK though for utility trucks, being a white color that is.

 

[Mickie Mouse]

TONY C PASCHAL

 

[looneymama]

Joe Mosher who is Vicky's brother calls Taylor his niece.


imoo

I guess I still don't see how that would make it impossible. I mean normally yes, if you were to say this is my grandma, this is my uncle etc... one could figure out how that all works... but this one is kind of confusing.

Plus...tight knit families may do that from time to time. I am close to my brother's wife's family and I'm called auntie by her brother's son even though I'm not really. I know it's a stretch....but it would make more sense as to why she was targeted.

 

[FlowerChild]

There is definately similarites there. The ears aren't exactly the same.

Btw, I noticed a large tattoo on his left lower arm on the front above his wrist area. Can anyone blow that up and see what kind of tatto it is?

The photo isn't hi rez - when I blow up the tattoo turns into blue mush. I wish the recent photo showed his right eye because the mug shot shows a scar beside his right eye. It does appear he has had a mole on his left cheek removed - there is a round scar where the mole in the mug shot was.
My Opinion

 

[Littledeer]

Mickie Mouse:

Don't you think the LE, etc. would know this by now and have given his name out?????????????

I agree the resemblence is there, but find it hard to believe that his name has not been release by LE as the POI.

 

[Claycat]

On the alternative idea, that teenagers could have done this, I believe they could have. Teens are capable of shooting or stabbing someone multiple times, especially if they are in a rage. Older killers were young at one time.

I sat on a trial where a boy had stabbed a 13 year old girl multiple times. He was 14 at the time. During his trial, he showed no emotion. He was cold and flat. We found him guilty. Unfortunately it was for juvenile misconduct. They were not trying juvenile murderers as adults at that time.

Can a teenager shoot someone multiple times? You bet!

 

[philamena]

Bandidos have been known to leave bullet-riddled bodies in rural areas before:


http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/235107

 

[oceanblueeyes]

OK I have been thinking about something.

We know they have several ear witnesses that heard gunshots but they have not released when the witnesses are saying they heard them.

We also know it was said that the POI sort of had his truck at an angle blocking the way in the road. Even though we do not know LE knows which side of the road he was on and which shoulder was closer. I wonder if it was the same side where the girls were?

What if he had just killed the girls and he saw the car coming up ahead so that is why he blocks their view and they couldn't see what he was doing. What if he was blocking the view of the girls bodies laying there until the witness could pass where he could leave after they had gone on by? That would make it more understandable why LE said they have evidence that someone did a u-turn in the road. He would not want to run up on the people in the vehicle again that had just past him back at the scene so he would go the other way.

imoo

 

[Littledeer]

claycat:

Thanks for pointing out that "kids" can kill like that. How many times have I read about it here??

Guess, I still find it hard to believe and think of it last. WS has certainly opened my eyes up. But I still, don't think of it has a normal occurence.

I know what I mean, but it's not coming out right.

:bang:

 

[philamena]

From what I have gathered the bodies were both lying with their heads toward the road - ...

Hi Flowerchild,
If you can, watch the tape from last night's Greta.
The OSBI man said that one of the girls was found in the ditch. The other girl was laying with her head near where the stuffed bear is in the video.
I took that to mean the girls were laying perpendicular to each other. If that's true, the girls were not laying side by side next to the road.

 

[philamena]

SNIP
But we have 6 and probably more witnesses that either saw the vehicle and/or Taylor and Skylar that day. I am sure at least 2 or 3 if not more, saw some part of the license plate.

Hi Littledeer,
Where did you get the info that there are 6 or more witnesses? TIA

 

[Littledeer]

Hi Flowerchild,
If you can, watch the tape from last night's Greta.
The OFBI man said that one of the girls was found in the ditch. The other girl was laying with her head near where the stuffed bear is in the video.
I took that to mean the girls were laying perpendicular to each other. If that's true, the girls were not laying side by side next to the road.

I really wish transcripts would be made of these videos, etc. for people like me who can't see them or hear them!!

So either Tyler or Skyla was laying forward to the woods (for lack of a better description) and Tyler or Skyler was found in the ditch. (No direction or mention of face up or face down given). Is that right??

 

[Littledeer]

philamena:

I thought 6 was mentioned in one of the earlier threads and I threw in "or more" based on the revised timeline that came out when the girls left the house.

Will go see where I saw that at. Must have seen mention of it somewhere for me to type it.

 

[Claycat]

Littledeer, you explained just fine! I know what you mean. It is hard to believe teens can do that. When I forget that, I think of that trial, or I think of Columbine.

 

[philamena]

I really wish transcripts would be made of these videos, etc. for people like me who can't see them or hear them!!

So either Tyler or Skyla was laying forward to the woods (for lack of a better description) and Tyler or Skyler was found in the ditch. (No direction or mention of face up or face down given). Is that right??

That's how I understood it Littledeer.
I'm going to go watch the tape from Greta again.
I don't want to say the wrong thing.

 

[FlowerChild]

On the alternative idea, that teenagers could have done this, I believe they could have. Teens are capable of shooting or stabbing someone multiple times, especially if they are in a rage. Older killers were young at one time.

I sat on a trial where a boy had stabbed a 13 year old girl multiple times. He was 14 at the time. During his trial, he showed no emotion. He was cold and flat. We found him guilty. Unfortunately it was for juvenile misconduct. They were not trying juvenile murderers as adults at that time.

Can a teenager shoot someone multiple times? You bet!

Where did the kids get not one but TWO handguns? One a 9mm Automatic? Any parent/adult in the area with a pulse would miss those guns from their house/gun safe in the wake of this I'd think. A kid/young adult with Shotgun or a Rifle wouldn't raise an eyebrow in that part of the country but a young person with a handgun (or two) would be notable outside a target shooting environment with a parent present.

Of course kids kill - they have killed and they will kill...some things are hardwired and sociopaths only require a slight nudge to blossom into Ted Bundy.

I don't see THIS murder as done by a kid (or kids) tho - too neatly accomplished at VERY close range and with two guns. There was an experienced adult killer (of humans) involved here I am thinking.

My Opinion

 

[Mickie Mouse]

Mickie Mouse:

Don't you think the LE, etc. would know this by now and have given his name out?????????????

I agree the resemblence is there, but find it hard to believe that his name has not been release by LE as the POI.

Hi Littledeer:

Yes, the resemblence is certainly there, and LE, etc. no doubt does know this by now, but they probably wouldn't give his name out as the POI at this point in time, if he were the POI, if they had good reason not to.

I was just struck by the resemblence......

 

[Claycat]

Oh, I tried for more intuitive clues today. I got the names Brian and Lazarus (a nickname?) and the word lasso. I get these things and don't know what to do with them, because they mean nothing to me. Sometimes they mean something to the people involved.

Just like the words Pop Tarts that I got. I have no idea where that came from. I don't eat Pop Tarts. I wish things would come more clearly.

 

[MissHolmes]

In regards to my previous post about Joe Mosher and possibly having the alias of William Mosher. This is bizarre. I was inputting all the names of the indicted ones from the Bandidos gang in the Ok. offenders database. And who shows up? Smith Beal, indicted, has the same picture as William Mosher.
Now what is up with that??