South Africa - Martin, 55, Theresa, 54, Rudi van Breda, 22, murdered, 26 Jan 2015 #1

[Tortoise]

Anyone venture reasons for not 'finishing Mali off'?

He may not have known Marli wasn't dead, she was probably unconscious and then he may have been downstairs for much of the remaining time, when she started to move.

 

[JudgeJudi]

He may not have known Marli wasn't dead, she was probably unconscious and then he may have been downstairs for much of the remaining time, when she started to move.

"As I moved past the middle landing of the stairs ... I saw Marli moving about on top of the landing, lying next to my mom.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes...reda-Laughing-intruder-slaughtered-my-family1

 

[PrimeSuspect]

"As I moved past the middle landing of the stairs ... I saw Marli moving about on top of the landing, lying next to my mom.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes...reda-Laughing-intruder-slaughtered-my-family1

HvB says this was before he fell unconscious, so 3 hours earlier? He probably thought she was dead.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I really hope it can be proven without a doubt by a doctor that HvB never fell unconscious, that it wasn't possible.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

HvB looking more confident today, spring in his step.





Tammy Petersen‏ @TammyPetersen87 10m10 minutes ago

Henri #VanBreda heads back into court for the second half of proceedings for the day.

 

[Estelle]

Anthony Molyneaux @AJGMolyneaux
#VanBreda Colonel Stewart reiterates that the hair found in Marli's hand looks like it was torn out of another person's hair. @TimesLIVE

 

[JudgeJudi]

I've checked out a number sites including the Mayo clinic and fainting or falling unconscious usually lasts anywhere between a few seconds to several minutes but can last up to 30 minutes. I've seen nothing to indicate it can extend to 3 hours.

 

[Estelle]

De Zalze-ax killings: testimony in court turned into hair-splitting - and also boasts Henri with a shorter hairstyle

By Annelene Oberholzer on May 15, 2017

The morning session of the eleventh day of the Van Breda murder case was a hairy affair - not only boasts Henri van Breda (who is facing the triple ax murder of his mother, father and elder brother) with a shorter hairstyle; defending the hair parted on the testimony of the state's forensic scientist.

Lieutenant Colonel. Henry James Stuart, a hair specialist, testified a hair sample matching that of Henri, was found in his little sister, Marli's palm after the brutal attack on the Van Breda family in their mansion on the De Zalze Golf Estate in Stellenbosch

http://www.huisgenoot.com/nuus/plaa...y-en-boonop-spog-henri-met-n-korter-haarstyl/

 

[PrimeSuspect]

All the journalists tweeting now spelling Stuart as Stewart. Isn't there a memo with the list of witnesses?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Anthony Molyneaux‏ @AJGMolyneaux 4m4 minutes ago

Defence advocate Botha continuing with his cross-examination of Stewart.
Stewart says the kit numbers of the samples are all he looks at when doing his tests. He does not look at names or other numbers. This is concerning Stewart's testimony that he did not know who the samples belonged to when doing his tests. Botha questions this

@TimesLIVE

(If it's not allowed, why are there names?)

 

[JudgeJudi]

Botha continues cross-examining Lt Col Stuart

Botha: You are not saying that they are the same hairs? Stuart - I only state that it shows resemblance.

Stuart says he uses the kit number as the reference numbers.

He reiterates that he refers to kit numbers, which is the only important number. He doesn't look at the names linked to that, he says.

Botha - is your evidence that you concentrated more on the kit number than the bag seal number? Stuart says he does.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/live-van-breda-triple-axe-murder-trial-day-11-20170515

 

[JudgeJudi]

All the journalists tweeting now spelling Stuart as Stewart. Isn't there a memo with the list of witnesses?

News24 is still sticking with Stuart. There is usually a witness list but perhaps it hasn't been handed out to the journos.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Tracey Stewart‏ @Traceyams 8m8 minutes ago @CapeTownEtc #vanbreda

Stewart, again, point I am trying to make that only when I write my report do I reference kit nr and bag nr
In all of the covering instructions we receive, only the 2nd page mentioned Marli's hair
Is ur evidence that you concentrate more on the kit nr than the bag nr? asks botha? yes
B- u wrote the actual kit nr is 14D3, you left out the 3 in your statement, not so?
Stewart - I must've left it out of all of them
B-is my statement correct that you made a mistake in the reference kit number by leaving out a 3?Yes I did repeatedly
Botha- but this kit number you said is the most important for you and all you use to reference.
Did u receive this report on 24.04.2015? Yes and on this covering letter you were given the bag seal no's
in respect of 3.2 3.3 and 3.4 of your report. In this covering letter you are told who are the donors of these reference samples
Yes correct. When you open the seal bag will there be a hair collection kit with different reference numbers? Correct
But in order to make statement in your report you would have had to look at the information in the cover letter? yes


Anthony Molyneaux‏ @AJGMolyneaux 6m6 minutes ago @TimesLIVE

Botha is continuing to show evidence that calls colonel Stewart's testimony of not knowing whose samples the hair belonged to into question. However, Stewart is sticking to his guns with stating that he did not know the origins of the samples.

 

[JudgeJudi]

In your statement, you made a mistake when you refer to the reference kit number? Yes, Stuart says.

Botha says he finds it strange because this is the number you concentrated on. Stuart replies that its an easy mistake to make.

Botha says in April 2015 cover letter (from SAPS) Stuart was told whose samples those were.

Stuart says he only looks at the hair.

Another officer would open the sealed bag, document what is inside, then sends samples to Stuart.

It is couriered to Stuart in one docket

Botha asks if clerk would open it, or Stuart? He says another officer opened it and attached it to docket.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Ne...ay-11-20170515

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Tracey Stewart‏ @Traceyams 5m5 minutes ago

1st checked by warrant officer Nel who opens it put together a docket and sent to you via Skynet
Docket arrives at our office and its registered by our offices. The clerk receiving it do they open the sky net pack
I received the sky net package and handed it to my warrant officer AJ Botes who opens and puts together the contents
there were a lot of entries in this case file combined into 1
Does officer Botes open the package put docket together and hands to you - yes.
Warrant officer Nel obviously needs to open the seal? What I received is no longer sealed - in separate evidence
sealing bag. Stewart says that Nel reseals it- Botha asks if its true? New says he now isn't certain
Adv Botha tells Stewart that his evidence is NB he can't state something as fact and then say he isn't certain
Ur report refers to evidence bag seal nos. 3.1-3.4, 3.7-3.10. when u received them were those sealed bags opened
Yes they were already opened by someone else. Adv Botha says good lets carry on.
Botha showing letter which again has Stewart's stamp on acknowledging that he has received this - correct on 24.04.15
It says 27.02.2015 Marli attended at Stellenbosch Medi clinic (he may have meant 27.01)
Handed in blood soaked t-shirt she had been wearing and a towel. This is all info you would have seen? Did you read this?
Not at that moment, but after. I can remember that I saw it, I did not read it says Stewart

@CapeTownEtc #vanbreda

 

[JudgeJudi]

The docket is then handed over to Stuart, whereafter it is in his physical custody.

It is already in the docket, but not sealed anymore, Botha asks? Stuart says it is resealed before it comes to him, although he "might be mistaken".

Stuart says the case file was received in a sealed bag. Adv Botha asks if they were sealed when he received it, and Stuart says it was already opened.

Botha says blood soaked t-shirt, pants and towel used to cover her was collected by police while Marli was in hospital.

Botha asked if she had been grasping the towel, could she have gotten hairs in her hand from the towel? Stuart says it is a possibility.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Ne...ay-11-20170515

 

[JudgeJudi]

Botha: A pillow was also taken from the room in which the two men were found. The pillow was put under head to help her breathe. Could hairs have been transferred to her hand if she grasped it? Yes, Stuart responds.

Towel would also contain hair, Botha points out. Stuart concedes.

Botha asks Stuart how he knew she had been wearing the panty. He says he couldn't have known that unless he had read the covering letter.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Ne...ay-11-20170515

 

[Tortoise]

"As I moved past the middle landing of the stairs ... I saw Marli moving about on top of the landing, lying next to my mom.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes...reda-Laughing-intruder-slaughtered-my-family1

HvB says this was before he fell unconscious, so 3 hours earlier? He probably thought she was dead.

...said the lying killer. I don't believe he saw Marli moving or he would have stabbed her to finish her off.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Anthony Molyneaux‏ @AJGMolyneaux 2m2 minutes ago @TimesLIVE

B asks witness to his look at the statement he made.B reminds Stewart that his testimony & statement is very important in this..case because if he found Henri's hair in Marli's fist (as the report suggests), it can create problems for his client.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Desai says that would be a remarkable coincidence.

He found 14 hairs with the use of a microscope.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Ne...ay-11-20170515