South Africa - Martin, 55, Theresa, 54, Rudi van Breda, 22, murdered, 26 Jan 2015 #2

[JudgeJudi]

Tiemensma says there is a strong contrast in comparison to his family's injuries.

Extensive chop wounds caused by an axe. None show any characteristics that it was inflicted with the same type of intent or force.

Defence wounds essential to show another party was present. If grab at knife or axe, you expect there to be defence wounds.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/live-van-breda-axe-murder-trial-day-16-20170523

 

[JudgeJudi]

Adv Botha cross examining.

A graphic representation of Henri's wounds. (Cobus Prinsloo, Graphics24)

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He says Dr Abertse - a general practioner - examined Henri, her findings would be more accurate. Tiemensma say doctors are generally not very good with describing wounds.

[Botha is just sickening]

Botha says there is a difference in the descriptions of the wounds of Dr Albertse and Dr Tiemensma.

He says the version of Dr Albertse would be the more acceptable version as she had examined Henri. Tiemensma counters she had the photos as evidence.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/live-van-breda-axe-murder-trial-day-16-20170523

 

[Estelle]

Henri's wounds

 

[Interested Bystander]

Botha losing the argument. Dr MT is good and succinct. Good to see Botha struggling. It seems his medical knowledge is insufficient to create a meaningful argument with this doctor.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Cuts on chest are of uniform shape (linear); could have been caused by one instrument, Tiemensma says.

You look at characteristics of the wounds. More characteristics you have, the more suspicious you get. Then look at how they would have been sustained. Conclusions of possible self-inflicted wounds are determined by a number of factors, Tiemensma says.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/live-van-breda-axe-murder-trial-day-16-20170523

 

[JudgeJudi]

Please look at the above link to view an INFOGRAPHIC: Wounds sustained by Henri van Breda

 

[Interested Bystander]

HvB's description of the intruder being surprisingly easy to overcome was obviously included to explain away his own minor injuries. This is one evil boy.

 

[JudgeJudi]

ETA Click on the link under the HvB image on

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/live-van-breda-axe-murder-trial-day-16-20170523

 

[JudgeJudi]

If you are aware, you would pull away. Why would you allow a person to make exactly the same cut at the same place? These are completely horizontal. Fine and delicate movements. Why would you allow a person to do it? Very unusual and unlikely. There was movement. - Dr Tiemensma

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/live-van-breda-axe-murder-trial-day-16-20170523

 

[Estelle]

INFOGRAPHIC: Wounds sustained by Henri van Breda




Tammy Petersen‏ @TammyPetersen87 23h23 hours ago

Dr Van Zyl stapled wound as it wasn't deep enough for stitches. "Clips" simply bring skin together. Henri was 'friendly, jovial'. #VanBreda

https://twitter.com/tammypetersen87?lang=en

 

[JudgeJudi]

If HvB wet his pants the night of the murders, I hope he's doing something else in his pants today.

 

[Estelle]

Tammy Petersen @TammyPetersen87
Why tease Henri #VanBreda with superficial wounds, Dr Marianne Tiemesma asked defence advocate Pieter Botha during cross examination.
7:26 PM - 23 May 2017

https://twitter.com/tammypetersen87?lang=en

 

[JudgeJudi]

Tammy Petersen ‎@TammyPetersen87

Why tease Henri with superficial wounds, Dr Marianne Tiemesma asked defence advocate Pieter Botha during cross examination.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/live-van-breda-axe-murder-trial-day-16-20170523


http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/live-van-breda-axe-murder-trial-day-16-20170523

 

[L2L]

if hvb wet his pants the night of the murders, i hope he's doing something else in his pants today.

lol!!!

 

[Estelle]

Tammy Petersen‏ @TammyPetersen87 22m22 minutes ago

Defense wounds are expected if Henri #VanBreda grabbed at knife or axe, Dr Tiemensma says. There were none.

https://twitter.com/tammypetersen87?lang=en

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Tracey Stewart‏ @Traceyams 3m3 minutes ago

@CapeTownEtc #vanbreda


Adv B: how many fights like this have you witnessed?
DrT I have witnessed the after math, hundreds of cases of people who or dead or alive that have been in knife attacks
Dr T: I have examined over 500 cases of knife attacks
Dr T: If there is resistance and movement it is even more difficult to try and place such a precise wound

https://twitter.com/tammypetersen87?lang=en

 

[Estelle]

Dr Marianne Tiemensma sitting in the witness box before court continues after a 15 min tea break. #VanBreda @IOL



https://twitter.com/hashtag/vanbreda?lang=en

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Anthony Molyneaux‏ @AJGMolyneaux 2m2 minutes ago

Dr Marianne Tiemensma is in stand speaking about Henris wounds. DrT points out 'wounds are unusual for a struggle.' @TimesLIVE

https://twitter.com/ajgmolyneaux?lang=en

 

[Estelle]

Anthony Molyneaux‏ @AJGMolyneaux 3m3 minutes ago

#VanBreda Dr Marianne Tiemensma is in stand speaking about Henris wounds. DrT points out 'wounds are unusual for a struggle.' @TimesLIVE

https://twitter.com/ajgmolyneaux?lang=en

 

[Estelle]

Tracey Stewart‏ @Traceyams 4m4 minutes ago

Adv B: so there is a tail on this wound, Dr T: ever so slight tail #vanbreda

https://twitter.com/traceyams?lang=en