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C: shows B a photo of enlargements of photo state gave defense
C showing a wooden skirting on left side of steps
C: turn the page same picture showing wooden skirting and next photo close up of blood too and concrete with blood
Botha: if you have all the constituent parts of damage that fits in with particular area then obviously easier to determine
what happened to cause the damage
C: we know there were more pieces similar to what is lying there but you didnt have them. B didnt see this particular piece
C: the damage occurred in boys room, u never found a piece? B: there was some dust on entrance area but not big particles
Brown I wasn't not able to say with lack of markings that the axe was used
C: as far as H is concerned you said when blow is very hard you expect it to crumble to dust Brown- spattered effect
C: you assume if you find dust then you assume dust? But in respect of H you didnt find any force was used?
B: I did not find striation or indentation, I did not find any pieces I only found dust particles
There are indications of force and contra-indications of force. B yes thats why I opted for uncontrolled due to uncertainty
C: Visual aspect look at fig 20 you took this photo. If you had the constituent parts you would be able to fit them if they fitted
C I didnt have it so thats why it was more difficult to do the indentification
C: there are no useful comparisons to identify due to what u had?
B: its a porous component, the plaster so there were no markings
C: striation you refer to when you see drag marks or see where it starts and where it ends
C: example- you find a culprit that attacks lead with axe (soft metal) if you hit that axe into lead area its a nice reserved
C: area of what the axe looked like it would leave indentation marks. Those markings would follow inside and you know this axe
C; went into that piece of lead. This is an ideal example as the markings are then fully properly and nicely transferred
C: I am just talking broad principles right now
C just as when a thumb print is on something I can see which side the hand was turned
C: in this instance striation marks couldn't give you an exact way of how the instrument was turned when it was used- B yes