South Hadley,MA Phoebe Prince 15 kills self over bullying #2

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I just read the article posted at the top of the page from IrishCentral, and noticed some things. Here are a few quotes and my responses:

"'Early that morning she was " skipping around, she seemed great," a female friend said."

- Doesn't really sound like someone suicidal to me. In most cases people who are suicidal tend to separate their bonds (to whatever degree) shortly before their act.

"But after lunch Phoebe, seemed increasingly despondent to friends. She described an incident of bullying to them and said "I'll find a way out of this problem.""

- To me this actually sounds like it could have been more optimistic than anything. This is a statement in writing, with lack of vocal inflection to determine the spirit of her statement, so I can see how to the reader it looks more ominous. It also wouldn't take much to twist this very same statement to her impressionable young friends in hind sight.

"Little did the friends know she was talking about killing herself."

- The author is still under the assumption that it was suicide, and thus inferred that the friends could not have derived any further meaning from what she said.

"Her death confounded her friends, who pointed out that she signed off her text messages with a saying "life is an opportunity in itself."

-If you put this together with the above statements, it sounds to me like despite what she was going through, she was an eternal optimist. Optimists tend not to off themselves because optimists tend to see the bright side of things, present and future.

Also might I point out that if she were a writer and poet, then surely somewhere in her writings she would have mentioned her lack of will to live, and surely she would have shared such writings with one of her closest friends. I'm just thinking back to my days in high school and how kids were. It would be nice to know what was in her writings the week of her death.
 
I just read the article posted at the top of the page from IrishCentral, and noticed some things. Here are a few quotes and my responses:

"'Early that morning she was " skipping around, she seemed great," a female friend said."

- Doesn't really sound like someone suicidal to me. In most cases people who are suicidal tend to separate their bonds (to whatever degree) shortly before their act.

"But after lunch Phoebe, seemed increasingly despondent to friends. She described an incident of bullying to them and said "I'll find a way out of this problem.""

- To me this actually sounds like it could have been more optimistic than anything. This is a statement in writing, with lack of vocal inflection to determine the spirit of her statement, so I can see how to the reader it looks more ominous. It also wouldn't take much to twist this very same statement to her impressionable young friends in hind sight.

"Little did the friends know she was talking about killing herself."

- The author is still under the assumption that it was suicide, and thus inferred that the friends could not have derived any further meaning from what she said.

"Her death confounded her friends, who pointed out that she signed off her text messages with a saying "life is an opportunity in itself."

-If you put this together with the above statements, it sounds to me like despite what she was going through, she was an eternal optimist. Optimists tend not to off themselves because optimists tend to see the bright side of things, present and future.

Also might I point out that if she were a writer and poet, then surely somewhere in her writings she would have mentioned her lack of will to live, and surely she would have shared such writings with one of her closest friends. I'm just thinking back to my days in high school and how kids were. It would be nice to know what was in her writings the week of her death.

Kris - I agree with you very much here. I noticed the same things last night and again in the People magazine article this morning. Skipping around in gym class only maybe 8 hours before one commits suicide is odd.

Also, it does seem likely that some sense of pessimism or lack of will to live would show up in some way in her writings. Last week I was looking up articles related for Phoebe and came across another girl, Kristina Calco, who committed suicide over 4 years ago. However, she left two suicide notes for her family, left open screen caps of emails, myspace messages, and IM screens showing how she felt and what sort of bullying she had been subject to, and also had hinted at suicide I believe many times throughout her private writings. More info about this girl is here http://www.theshabbycastle.com/kristinacalco if anyone is interested.

Also, Paladine opened a Murder/Suicide thread so you may want to post your writings over there in case anyone missed them over here. I think you raise many valid questions and points and appreciate your coming over here to share them.
 
Maybe never, especially if this gets settled somehow before a trial. Then we might never know. I think we will eventually learn more even in that non-trial case because there is enough interest that one or more books will be written eventually, and the inevitable Lifetime movie of the week.

Good night, bear. :)

I'm really hoping this doesn't get settled before a trial. Are any of the kids, especially the girls, really going to get jail time? I kind of doubt it. The boys, maybe. Young boys have definitely been sent to jail on statutory rape charges so that would depend on how strong the evidence is for them. The girls - I tend to think they won't get any time. However, I still think it's important. Not only because I'm curious and want to know more info, but just feel like the stress of a trial and having to explain their actions and whatnot would be at least some kind of punishment for the kids. Sitting in a room and signing settlements and plea bargains or whatever and having this just go away after a few months? That's too easy. JMO, anyway.

Also, I tend to agree also that things will be released, trial or not. Yea this isn't exactly a celebrity murder case or anything but it has had two major stories in People magazine plus at least one smaller one that I know of and has earned a story on Dr. Phil and headlines on major news websites so it is an obviously well-known story. Plus, if certain documents are interesting or "juicy" enough I guess is the right word for it, documents may be leaked anyway. More than just one person will have access to the files for this case, and once documents start being shared between opposing counsels I wouldn't be surprised if more info comes out. My early morning though of the day, anyway ;)
 
Hi all - had to stop at three places before work but was able to pick up the People magazine before work. Not very long and not too much new information but a few new interesting tidbits. Don't want to spoil anything for those of you planning on getting it so we can wait to discuss it until more of you have had a chance to read ;)
 
Teens Charged in Phoebe Prince Bullying Case Get Death Threats

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20361466,00.html

A defense lawyer is calling for calm after death threats have been made against teenagers charged in the death of 15-year-old Phoebe Prince, who committed suicide after she was allegedly bullied by schoolmates.

“Not to minimize what happened to Phoebe Prince in any way, but translating this into death threats and public harassment has got to stop,” says Colin Keefe, who represents Sharon Chanon Velazquez, accused of tormenting Prince, who hanged herself on Jan. 14.

Definitely don't think death threats are the way to go. I understand high emotions, but all these threats are just not doing any good and I would imagine would do more harm than good here. JMO, anyway.
 
me too! off topic but does anyone know how early they would be out? I'll be stopping at wawa (the convenience store new jerseyans can't live without, for those not on the east coast ;)) probably before 8:00 a.m. and was hoping to pick up a copy on my way to work. If not I'll have to run to a store during my lunch break.

I voted on the poll first thing this morning and saw it was 99% to 1% - I figured I was the only person at that point who had voted - glad to see it's still like that 12 hours later. The powers that be in South Hadley may want to slide this under the rug and blame Phoebe - but I think a large majority of the rest of the country sees it differently and won't let it go that easily. I hope, anyway.

I know what Wawa is..I'm from Maryland.

I went into my 711 this morning and they still have the one with that Bieber brat on it. Clerk said sometime around 12.
 
Good morning all..I have 8 hours ahead of me to do some sleuthing..who's game?
 
I know what Wawa is..I'm from Maryland.

I went into my 711 this morning and they still have the one with that Bieber brat on it. Clerk said sometime around 12.

That's the one with an article on Phoebe. I picked it up this morning:)
 
I know what Wawa is..I'm from Maryland.

I went into my 711 this morning and they still have the one with that Bieber brat on it. Clerk said sometime around 12.

oh awesome! I'm not alone :)

yeah I stopped at two places before work and they still only had Bieber on it. finally I stopped at Rite-Aid and they had it. and no, you didn't miss it. I think the bieber one has a small article about the charges against the 6 kids - Phoebe is on the cover for this week.
 
They didn't like that I said a little nasty thing about Ashley over at masslive

Boohoo
 
oh awesome! I'm not alone :)

yeah I stopped at two places before work and they still only had Bieber on it. finally I stopped at Rite-Aid and they had it. and no, you didn't miss it. I think the bieber one has a small article about the charges against the 6 kids - Phoebe is on the cover for this week.

<3 YAY!

I will make sure to get both the Bieber one and Phoebe. But I will rip the cover off the Bieber one. He's so girly looking.
 
Looks like little Miss Grace really wants her time in the limelight too. Poor kids in Hadley..so misguided.
 
The following are quotes from the defendants attorneys. I snipped this from an article in People here:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20361466,00.html

I just wanted to point out that the way these attorneys describe the harrassment of their clients parallels what Phoebe went through. Remember, these are about the accused, not the victim:

"...death threats and public harassment has got to stop” - I can't confirm that Phoebe received death threats, but there are reports that she was told to kill herself.

“It’s gotten way out of control” - I think this was way out of control back in September '09.

"Public opinion will change drastically when the full story is out." - I believe public opinion of these individuals has already changed drastically from the time before Phoebe's death to after. The accused are no longer the "in" crowd and people are waking up!

A lawyer for co-defendant Austin Renaud, 18, who is charged with statutory rape but not with harassing the Irish immigrant prior to her suicide, says his client has been “vilified.” - Wait a minute, I would consider being called an "irish *advertiser censored*" being vilified also.

"He's an 18-year-old kid who’s scared to death of his future" - Yea, I know a 15 year old that was scared to death of her future also. It appears to have led to suicide.

Underlining by me. (UBM?)
 
What about the one with her picture on the cover? Did I miss that one? :(

I didn't know there was one with her on the cover? This one is dated 4/19 and has Bieber on the cover.

Can someone please go start a People thread? tittle it 4.19.2010 People Magazine article. Thanks!
 
So I guess we all missed something huge on the news last night in Hadley.
 
oh awesome! I'm not alone :)

yeah I stopped at two places before work and they still only had Bieber on it. finally I stopped at Rite-Aid and they had it. and no, you didn't miss it. I think the bieber one has a small article about the charges against the 6 kids - Phoebe is on the cover for this week.

Apparently, I need more coffee -- LOL! What's the date on the one with Phoebe on the cover?
 
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