State rests rebuttal case- thread #164

[MidwestMama]

I agree. I wish DeMarte would have explained that tiger/bear question a little better.

If you are attacked by a tiger - seeing a tiger will trigger PTSD.

If you are attacked by a bear - seeing a bear will trigger PTSD.

If you are attacked by a Travis - you don't try to submerse yourself into his memorial, write about him, or send an 18 page letter to grandma.

If you have PTSD because you used a gun during a killing - buying a 9mm would be unfathomable.

BBM:
ITA. I posted yesterday about my response to a gun involved trauma in my childhood. There is NO WAY I would EVER own a gun! I have worked through a lot of the PTSD issues but I cannot be around guns. Can't handle it no matter how much I try to talk myself to calm.
PS No I did not kill anyone. I wasn't the one with a gun (in case any of you were getting nervous :scared: )

 

[TigerBalm]

fftopic: Watching the opening statements in the Raven Abaroa trial, the defense attorney just mentioned Websleuths twice in his opening statement.

Here is the thread if anyone is interested..
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9325379&posted=1#post9325379

 

[Mare10]

So they can throw that on top of her death sentence! :jail:

I hate to say this, but I like the mouth with the blue pill. She probably stole that, too. Doesn't that symbolize something? Let's see...from the Urban Dictionary: Although brought up in the Matrix Movie, as one who won't wake up [to] reality, the blue pill on the streets has come to mean just that. The blue pill is a painkiller, usually oxy/roxycodeine pills that keep you in your world of illusion, taking the pain away from the realities of life. It's codeine, tar, powder, hard - anything that keeps your mind at bay.

So that's a self-portrait! :facepalm:

Yep, she copied that one too. I've said before she can draw and color on a HS level. Hey, I copied a Degas and a few Magritte in HS. Maybe I can sell them as my own on EBay and make a small fortune.

https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis/photos_stream

 

[rose222]

I agree. I wish DeMarte would have explained that tiger/bear question a little better.

If you are attacked by a tiger - seeing a tiger will trigger PTSD.

If you are attacked by a bear - seeing a bear will trigger PTSD.

If you are attacked by a Travis - you don't try to submerse yourself into his memorial, write about him, or send an 18 page letter to grandma.

If you have PTSD because you used a gun during a killing - buying a 9mm would be unfathomable.

Exactly!

 

[MidwestMama]

fftopic: Watching the opening statements in the Raven Abaroa trial, the defense attorney just mentioned Websleuths twice in his opening statement.

Here is the thread if anyone is interested..
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9325379&posted=1#post9325379

Where are you watching it? TIA.

 

[Sydni]

Read "We the Jury" its written by several of the Scott Peterson jurors..interesting...

Speaking of Scott Peterson, he must be getting closer to the "big day" ... I'm thinking his appeal process must be close to hitting a wall. Anyone know??

Sorry for OT

 

[kayice]

Wasn't there a guy, can't remember his name right now, that had an iron rod go straight through his brain, and he lived for years? It did change his personality, apparently - he got kind of surly after that - but he did continue to walk, talk, and live a somewhat normal life, iirc.

I think a bullet with gases and if broke apart or tumbled would do more damaged. But it doesn't matter, imho, because she stabbed and slit Travis' throat first, his heart ceased to beat. Blood was from bleeding out from stab wounds before she shot him. Imho, her reasoning was it so it looked like two intruders, two weapons...and in case, she got caught. (her ninja story)

http://www.e-reading-lib.org/bookre...arms,_ballistics,_and_forensic_techniques.pdf

Sorry, yes there is a guy. Wikipedia has the story about that guy.

 

[Pink Panther]

Yes Beth said last night jury instructions will be prior to closings which I think is great for many reasons.

So jury instructions will be on Wednesday as well and then each side will get a full day for closing???

 

[Nali87]

I'd love to see Juan's whole opening statement. Anyone with a videolink?

 

[deedee21]

Go to youtube Mikee Daniels He has a couple of new videos about Jodi. Remember the movie Play Misty for me. He calls this video Play jodi for me.

 

[Mare10]

I put this question on the General Questions thread an hour ago and so far no reply. I'm re-post here. I have to get ready for work in a few and hopefully I'll get an answer before I leave.

I've been searching through posts for an hour and I can't find the answer to, what happened to Matt and his testimony? I've heard nothing of it since some thought he may be called by JM?

I think he had a hand in all this. Where is he? Why wasn't he called by either side? I don't think he cut a deal, we would have heard about it. Did I miss something?

 

[Mare10]

Go to youtube Mikee Daniels He has a couple of new videos about Jodi. Remember the movie Play Misty for me. He calls this video Play jodi for me.

Darn, they blocked it!

 

[deedee21]

Go to youtube Mikee Daniels He has a couple of new videos about Jodi. Remember the movie Play Misty for me. He calls this video Play jodi for me.

It was blocked. Sorry about that. He probably has a pro jodi groupy keeping an eye on his videos. Theres another new one I will look at.

 

[Boodles]

After the substance of JM's opening statement, Jennifer's opening statement of Travis wasn't a virgin and he wasn't a gentleman to Jodi sure seems downright silly. Nobody in Travis' life cared if he was a virgin and I trust no one on the jury could care less about his private sex life either. Having listened to all of the testimony and now seeing her OS, it leaves one wondering....that is it? That is all you have got? You brought to the jury, basically he was jerk so he had it coming? I think the jury is going to throw the book at her.

...and he called her a "3 hole wonder..."

At the beginning of this trial, I was a blank slate. I really believed there was substance to her claims, because, after all, they ARE IN COURT, so there must be some validity to her position.

Then I waited, waited, waited....thinking, "boy, there are a lot of coincidences, but I guess it's possible. I need to wait to hear the other side."

Then the "other side" got on the stand. Blah blahblablabity blah blah blah. But, "ok, wait til she's done talking about her sex antics to hear what happened in regard to the road trip and June 4th," I told myself.

Finally, she got to the events of June 4th. I was on the edge of my seat. This is it. And after all.that.verbal.diarrhea, she said "I don't remember."

So, the fact is, she forced this to the point of a trial with absolutely no valid defense. I kept thinking that there must have been some sort of "threshold test" somewhere to ensure there was an iota of possible merit to her case before it came to trial. There must be some process to weed out frivolity in our system. But I was wrong. If you're in the USA, and claim "not guilty", you will be provided with a public defender. And that PD will likely try to influence you to plead guilty, to the main or lesser charge, if your case is weak. But there is nothing to prevent a defendant, like this one, from taking it all the way. It's what she wanted to do, take eveybody down with her, when she couldn't manipulate the system to get the 2nd degree plea deal. But what she ended up with was crappy witnesses with no credibility. That, and lots of media attention. She loves it. And yes, that's "all she got." She's a despicable human being.

 

[Angelina Frost]

Imagine you are on the jury, and that you have to convince a fellow juror to find JA guilty of premeditated murder. You only know what the jury knows.

This juror doesn't believe that JA stole her grandparent's gun, doesn't want to believe that JA went there to kill Travis, does believe that Travis was at least very verbally abusive, and thus probably he had hurt JA physically- at least once, even if it didn't happen the way she said it did.

To this juror, it seems plausible that JA simply snapped-- because of her BPD, or for whatever reason, but in response to something Travis did or said. If JA had gone there to kill him, says the juror, she would have killed him sooner and done so without taking any chance at all that he could fight back.

What would you tell this juror?

This is a really good question, thanks for bringing it up. Sadly, it's possible given the insanity we've seen in other cases.

Even if the juror believed all of the above, there are two things that clearly point to murder and cannot be explained away.

1) the change of weapons- if the juror discounts Dr. Horn's testimony and believes the DT's assertion that TA was shot first, the defendant has ample time to get away from him and run out of the house. Her decision post-shot to look for the knife and locate it takes time. That time period, considering both where the weapon is and the choice to use it= premeditation. The juror must be reminded that premeditation does NOT mean a plan for weeks. It can be formed in a second.

2) the cut to the throat- that is done for only two reasons....A) she wanted to silence him or B) she wanted to make sure he was dead. The back wounds indicate he was moving away from her as well, but let's assume this juror believes JW's ridiculous theory that JA was like an orangutan over TA's shoulder during a self-defense attack. You CANNOT umbrella a near decapitation under self-defense OR manslaughter.

Hopefully, there isn't anyone on the jury who would need this paint-by-numbers approach, but even if they did? It's beyond ALL doubt, not just a reasonable one. :twocents:

 

[EquallyDivided]

I put this question on the General Questions thread an hour ago and so far no reply. I'm re-post here. I have to get ready for work in a few and hopefully I'll get an answer before I leave.

I've been searching through posts for an hour and I can't find the answer to, what happened to Matt and his testimony? I've heard nothing of it since some thought he may be called by JM?

I think he had a hand in all this. Where is he? Why wasn't he called by either side? I don't think he cut a deal, we would have heard about it. Did I miss something?

MOO, he's admitted that he would lie for Jodi and the defense is too scared to put him on. Additionally, anything he says because of that can be torn down by JM.

Why would JM want him if he says he will lie for JA?

I think that anything he could provide would not be very substantial in relation to the fact that he is not a credible witness, at all.

 

[Pink Panther]

I put this question on the General Questions thread an hour ago and so far no reply. I'm re-post here. I have to get ready for work in a few and hopefully I'll get an answer before I leave.

I've been searching through posts for an hour and I can't find the answer to, what happened to Matt and his testimony? I've heard nothing of it since some thought he may be called by JM?

I think he had a hand in all this. Where is he? Why wasn't he called by either side? I don't think he cut a deal, we would have heard about it. Did I miss something?

We don't know what happened to MM. In the end, neither side called him to testify. He is also virtually untraceable on the internet. That's all we know...so far...

moo

 

[Nali87]

I put this question on the General Questions thread an hour ago and so far no reply. I'm re-post here. I have to get ready for work in a few and hopefully I'll get an answer before I leave.

I've been searching through posts for an hour and I can't find the answer to, what happened to Matt and his testimony? I've heard nothing of it since some thought he may be called by JM?

I think he had a hand in all this. Where is he? Why wasn't he called by either side? I don't think he cut a deal, we would have heard about it. Did I miss something?

You didn't miss anything. I don't think anyone can answer your questions: we just don't know what happened to/with MM.

 

[TexMex]

Tex what's for breakfast?

I had some leftover BBQ chicken in a tortilla with salsa and cheese and dark roast Community Coffee. :seeya:

 

[concernedmother]

I really dont know what difference it makes that JA has BPD PTSD or not. Doesnt change the fact this was premeditated murder. So where was the PTSD when she plotted and drove there to kill TA?