State vs Jason Lynn Young 2-7-12

[Lynx]

Thanks......

I am a Cammy Newton fan !!

Glory Bee! Iwould have never guessed that in a million years!

Well then you know that I can amuse myself. :blushing:

 

[otto]

I have never understood why they could not narrow the TOD down.

Is it true that no ME ever visited the crime scene?

I remember a few years ago we sleuthers tried to narrow down the time line based on rigor, but given that the house was colder than usual, we don't really know anything. I doubt that an actual time of death can ever be more accurate than: with a window of time.

I don't know if the ME went to the scene. Why would that happen?

 

[Cammy]

I have never understood why they could not narrow the TOD down.

Is it true that no ME ever visited the crime scene?

That is what I have read.........also, that Michelle's body was not taken from the home until Sat, the 4th........so, how could they do a correct TOD?

I am not into the gory stuff .



IMO

 

[Cammy]

I wondered today why the defense made a point of having the night audit clerk state that in his initial statement to police he first noticed the rock in the door when he was finished delivering papers - nothing about seeing the camera feedwas blank. His testimony during the first trial was different.

"He said during his shift, he noted one of the screens was blank for a surveillance camera. He went to fix the camera sometime between 3:30 a.m. and 4 a.m., but couldn’t reach it. He also noticed a rock was stuck in the exit door about four feet away."

http://www2.nbc17.com/news/wake-cou...oung-trial-sheriffss-deputy-stand-ar-1106168/

This is going to happen again and again in this retrial.

Like Hicks said, its been 6 years, (really 5, but he said 6)

He looked like he was glad to be through testifying, didn't he?

All the Hampton Inn employees did, actually.

I guess we will hear from Elmer Goad (maintenance guy ) later on.

IMO

 

[otto]

That is what I have read.........also, that Michelle's body was not taken from the home until Sat, the 4th........so, how could they do a correct TOD?

I am not into the gory stuff .



IMO

I suppose all that can be said for sure is that she died sometime between her last computer activity (midnight?) and whenever full rigor sets in. Is that about 8-10 hours (I don't remember), maybe 12 hours on a cold night? That would place the time of death closer to 1 AM.

 

[Lynx]

I remember a few years ago we sleuthers tried to narrow down the time line based on rigor, but given that the house was colder than usual, we don't really know anything. I doubt that an actual time of death can ever be more accurate than: with a window of time.

I don't know if the ME went to the scene. Why would that happen?

Are you talking about why would the ME crime scene?

Well they should have had a coroner or something. I *think* that may be the law in NC.

I need to do some checking on that.

 

[otto]

This is going to happen again and again in this retrial.

Like Hicks said, its been 6 years, (really 5, but he said 6)

He looked like he was glad to be through testifying, didn't he?

All the Hampton Inn employees did, actually.

I guess we will hear from Elmer Goad (maintenance guy ) later on.

IMO

He looked like he was not happy about having to testify again and I had the impression that he didn't exactly read through his last testimony like he was supposed to. I think he knew that he was going to be caught contradicting himself ... and he was.

For some reason, in the first trial he said that he was watching the camera and noticed that one was blank. Maybe he said that because it was his job to watch the cameras and he messed up, and maybe he was trying to please the prosecution during the first trial.

They kind of acted like they'd already said all they have to say and were a bit fed up with it.

 

[otto]

Are you talking about why would the ME crime scene?

Well they should have had a coroner or something. I *think* that may be the law in NC.

I need to do some checking on that.

The first I heard of the ME going to a crime scene was on crime scene TV programs.

 

[Cammy]

He looked like he was not happy about having to testify again and I had the impression that he didn't exactly read through his last testimony like he was supposed to. I think he knew that he was going to be caught contradicting himself ... and he was.

For some reason, in the first trial he said that he was watching the camera and noticed that one was blank. Maybe he said that because it was his job to watch the cameras and he messed up, and maybe he was trying to please the prosecution during the first trial.

I agree, he looked kind of out of place, maybe that would be a good way to express it.

IMO

 

[Lynx]

That is what I have read.........also, that Michelle's body was not taken from the home until Sat, the 4th........so, how could they do a correct TOD?

I am not into the gory stuff .



IMO

Well I am not into the gory stuff either.

Someone posted somewhere else that they could have check the temprature of her liver or something like that, I really do not know.

But why on earth would it take so long to remove her from the scene? That is a very long time IMO.

 

[Cammy]

Well, tomorrow is another day !!

I wonder what kind of Jury we have , are they note takers?

:seeya:

 

[Lynx]

The first I heard of the ME going to a crime scene was on crime scene TV programs.

Otto,

I had that info bookmarked at one time a long time ago. I will see if I can find it. It was a very interesting read. It was the actual statute, IIRC.

But will leave it as JMO since I can't verify it right at this moment.:blushing:

 

[Cammy]

Well I am not into the gory stuff either.

Someone posted somewhere else that they could have check the temprature of her liver or something like that, I really do not know.

But why on earth would it take so long to remove her from the scene? That is a very long time IMO.

They need to address this.

Okay, I am over my post limit and don't want to get pulled over..:great:

Maybe tomorrow we will get some more answers!!

Nite !!

 

[otto]

Otto,

I had that info bookmarked at one time a long time ago. I will see if I can find it. It was a very interesting read. It was the actual statute, IIRC.

But will leave it as JMO since I can't verify it right at this moment.:blushing:

A lot of early information has disappeared. I just looked for the original article with the 4:30 AM time on it ... it's gone as are references to it.

 

[Boodles]

I heard Cassidy say something about Daddy, but the dumb dispatcher kept interrupting with his "calm down Meredith" babble. Meredith was asking Cassidy if anyone had been there and the dispatcher cut her off....

Quoting myself here, but am I the only one who heard this on the 911 call? I wanted to scream when the dispatcher kept interrupting at critical points when Meredith was speaking with Cassidy.

 

[citygirl]

Good point ... he was trying to get away with murdering his wife, so he started calling his girlfriend first thing in the morning ... makes no sense.

Does it make more sense that a random murderer venturing into a safe suburban neighborhood and murdering a young pregnant mother in the middle of the night? A woman whose husband wants out and is bedding anything that isn't nailed down?
That makes more sense?

 

[Bottle Cap]

I am jumping in before reading all of the pages to clarify a few things.

1) The pros' HC is playing a "schtick" for lack of a better word. You aren't the number two attorney in a county setting as large as Wake (Raleigh,Cary, et al) without being a relatively brilliant mind. The Barney thing he plays up is so that jurors have someone to sync up with. A lot of his "shock and ya'll" comes out in moments like the aforementioned Ducks incident as genuine to the jury and believe it or not, it wins him votes. (Literally, he becomes the friendly neighbor or the older relative you trust)

2) They are kind of overdoing this. Not in a good way. I believe less of this than I did the first go around, but I am willing to keep listening (though mostly after work on this one) to their case.

3) If you listen to the 911 call and hear "Daddy did it" expecting to hear "Daddy did it" you are a step ahead of me (maybe anticipating it changes things?). I don't hear it the same way.

4) I don't see how everyone can keep going back and saying: Only Jason would have cleaned her up, etc. etc. when clearly, the dude is an idiot and we've proven that he is both an idiot and irresponsible. Yet, he cared enough in the middle of a murder to stop and change his daughter's PJs? And then he drugged her? These things don't sync up and make a mess of the pros case. They should be minimized so that jurors don't think too much about them. For all we know, they have nothing to do with each other and take away from the personal nature of the beating. He was out of control. Leave it at that. He beat this poor woman beyond recognition and you don't tend to a two year old after that.

5) I am 99.9% sure that a) he did it and b) the prosecution is missing an available piece of the puzzle that would make this a 100% guilty. I think they are gambling with this and really hope we are in for a big surprise.

6) He pretty much has to testify again. It'll shoot holes in what little credibility it brings. However, he does have the right to remain silent and not be judged based on the silence. It cannot criminally be held against him that he chose to remain silent. This is sound legal advice a lawyer would give the spouse of a murdered person from the word go. Let's let that one go.

BBM I should have snipped this for brevity, but Jason isn't an idiot, not by a long shot. Dude managed a series of overlapping affairs, hustled (IMO) his way into a series of jobs, led what might look like to some people a secret life.

IMO he's a good example of a Dark Triad personality. Elements of psychopathy (lack of conscience, emotion or compassion as guiding mechanisms in his life), machiavellianism (successfully managing simultaneous and overlapping affairs with the appearance of regular married life) and narcissism (affairs, impulsivity, showboating). There are a ton of examples for each category there that can be assigned to JY. Plenty of literature out there on Dark Triad stuff that's especially interesting if you stop to think about the likes of JY and BC. There's a theory that Dark Triad folks are the ones who murder their spouses (male and female) rather than divorcing them.

 

[otto]

Does it make more sense that a random murderer venturing into a safe suburban neighborhood and murdering a young pregnant mother in the middle of the night? A woman whose husband wants out and is bedding anything that isn't nailed down?
That makes more sense?

There are many times that an intruder enters a property to steal something, the intruder is startled by the home owner and the home owner is murdered. That's a common theory when there is a random murder. If only some things are stolen, the theory is that the intruder was afraid and fled the scene. In fact, during the 911 call it became apparent towards the end of the call that the dispatcher wanted to get the victim's sister and child out of the home and into a safe place (like her vehicle) as fast as possible.

That doesn't explain why the child's feet were clean, but maybe too much is made of that. Perhaps the child took off her diaper (it wouldn't be the first time a 2 year old did that) and washed her feet. She was heard talking about a wash cloth on the 911 tape and Meredith testified that the child had a bench in front of the sink and could turn the water on and off. I haven't seen any evidence relating to a washcloth, but that could mean that police simply didn't collect that evidence. Investigators made errors at the scene even though they were there for 10 days.

 

[tarheel8600]

Quoting myself here, but am I the only one who heard this on the 911 call? I wanted to scream when the dispatcher kept interrupting at critical points when Meredith was speaking with Cassidy.

I clearly hear CY say "Daddy did it" at 2:00-2:01 and at 5:00-5:01 minutes into the call. The first time is after MF ask CY, "Did Mommy fall?" and the second time is after the dial tone beeps as the dispatcher is patching the call over to the Sheriff's office.

http://frictionpowered.blogspot.com/2007/02/merediths-911-call.html

 

[Lynx]

Interesting photos from court today.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/02/07/1837761/jason-young-retrial-020712.html