State vs Jason Lynn Young 2-8-12

[otto]

Yes, a Judge can strike testimony but it might not even be necessary. I think if he does so, it will be because her testimony differs dramatically from what she told HIM at the hearing about the defense motion about the lack of a photo lineup.

His ruling hinged on her testimony. I have no idea what the Judge will decide but it seems a bit of a mess for the prosecution.

JMO

Maybe she talked about her testimony with so many people after the first trial that she filled in all sorts of blanks and now can't distinguish between memory and what she has discussed since the first trial. She seems confident in what she is saying today. Maybe she doesn't realize that she's going to be asked to explain how her testimony changed. In a way, I suppose this works in Jason's favor simply because her testimony can be discredited. The more she changes her story, the worse it may be for the prosecution.

Last time the defense questioning started with the first discussion she had with police and then went forward in time, demonstrating that each time she remembered less. This time, they may do the same thing and demonstrate that today she vividly remembers all sorts of new things.

 

[MyBelle]

Yes, there appears to be a conspiracy to make JY look guilty. GL and the clerks at the hotel are constructing stories to make it appear JY could be guilty. But why would they do such a thing, do you think they are being compensated?

If they were, I think we'll soon know about it. After hearing about the corrupt crime lab, anything is possible.

JMO

 

[NCEast]

I agree !!

I didn't get to hear Elmer today, b/c of audio problems.

How was he?

Elmer could have been our great uncle. Country, a little impatient, wanting to get finished, but honest. He struggled a few times with his memory but he's somewhat elderly and it's been a long time since all of this happened. He really didn't add to or take away from anything--just confirmed the cameras, angles, doors, stairways, halls, etc.

 

[MyBelle]

Maybe she talked about her testimony with so many people after the first trial that she filled in all sorts of blanks and now can't distinguish between memory and what she has discussed since the first trial. She seems confident in what she is saying today. Maybe she doesn't realize that she's going to be asked to explain how her testimony changed. In a way, I suppose this works in Jason's favor simply because her testimony can be discredited. The more she changes her story, the worse it may be for the prosecution.

Last time the defense questioning started with the first discussion she had with police and then went forward in time, demonstrating that each time she remembered less. This time, they may do the same thing and demonstrate that today she vividly remembers all sorts of new things.

I think as a result of her injury, her memory is unreliable. That shouldn't be difficult to prove to the jury or the Judge.

 

[nursebeeme]

people are entitled to their opinions.... STOP THE BACK AND FORTH...

 

[janesdean]

Interesting how GL, who can point out the exact person she saw in her store on Nov 6, 2006, who has a cash receipt to corroborate that purchase, had a distinct encounter with a person who cussed her out and this had never happened before, and was able to ID the person and their vehicle the day after the murder when officers visited her at her gas station, is deemed "not credible."

Yet... the witnesses who saw someone who looked like Nancy Cooper the morning her lying husband said she went running, were believed completely by some of the same people, when the witnesses had far less of an encounter and couldn't be 100% sure who they saw.

Very interesting.

Ya, it's interesting, but it's par for the course, out with the old/in with the old

 

[MyBelle]

Elmer could have been our great uncle. Country, a little impatient, wanting to get finished, but honest. He struggled a few times with his memory but he's somewhat elderly and it's been a long time since all of this happened. He really didn't add to or take away from anything--just confirmed the cameras, angles, doors, stairways, halls, etc.

ITA. A country gentlemen willing to do his civic duty. Nobody can take issue. God Bless 'em!

 

[fromageball]

Yes, there appears to be a conspiracy to make JY look guilty. GL and the clerks at the hotel are constructing stories to make it appear JY could be guilty. But why would they do such a thing, do you think they are being compensated?

I think Gracie believes that she saw Jason that night, but since we can't always trust our memories and our eyes deceive us sometimes(especially when they are primed with a photo of someone) I think it's likely that she interacted with a rude customer that was not Jason Young.

I don't think there is any kind of conspiracy, just that a lot of people really want to close this case. Unfortunately I think it is unsolved and will probably remain so for awhile.

I can see why people think that Jason probably did this even if it can't be proven, but I'm actually becoming more convinced that he did not have anything to do with it. He comes off as a buffoon for sure, but a murderer? I don't see it.

 

[MyBelle]

I think Gracie believes that she saw Jason that night, but since we can't always trust our memories and our eyes deceive us sometimes(especially when they are primed with a photo of someone) I think it's likely that she interacted with a rude customer that was not Jason Young.

I don't think there is any kind of conspiracy, just that a lot of people really want to close this case. Unfortunately I think it is unsolved and will probably remain so for awhile.

I can see why people think that Jason probably did this even if it can't be proven, but I'm actually becoming more convinced that he did not have anything to do with it.

BBM. I agree with you. The biggest victim in all this is his little girl. I think NC needs to dump the Grand Jury process and go with preliminary hearings.

JMO

 

[Bottle Cap]

I can't remember where I read it and now I can't seem to find it buried in a post - but I know I saw somebody say Elmer was lying either now or before, that there was a discrepancy between the two testimonies. Can anybody say what that was? Lying is a strong word to use. So far, there's only one person in this whole hot mess that's a proven liar.

 

[NCEast]

I'm talking about what she told the Judge in the hearing held prior to the last trial. She insisted she remembered Jason only because he got in her face. She never mentioned that she knew about the murder when cops first showed his photo to her. The Judge decided her recollection was "honest." I can't even begin to imagine what he's thinking about it now that he knows she suffered brain damage as a child and also has changed so many details.

JMO

I'm going to go back and find her testimony from last year and rewatch it. I never take notes but realize that I should so for the rest of this trial I'll have my composition book at hand.

 

[otto]

I think as a result of her injury, her memory is unreliable. That shouldn't be difficult to prove to the jury or the Judge.

I wasn't aware of any injury ... was it prior to her first testimony, after ... how does it factor in?

 

[NCEast]

Who are you referring to? Personally, I believe both witnesses (GL and RZ) believed what they testified to. I don't believe either lied. Doesn't mean 1 or both were not wrong.

I'm so far behind with these posts....had to cook supper.
But I agree, I think both of these witnesses think/thought that everything they said was true and testified as such. Each of us has our own way of storing events, people, places, etc. in our memories. Each of us has our own way of recalling. To some, recalling events or people 5 or 6 years later is pretty easy and simple, to others, it isn't. So there isn't any right nor wrong.

 

[Cammy]

I can't remember where I read it and now I can't seem to find it buried in a post - but I know I saw somebody say Elmer was lying either now or before, that there was a discrepancy between the two testimonies. Can anybody say what that was? Lying is a strong word to use. So far, there's only one person in this whole hot mess that's a proven liar.

I haven't seen any posts calling Elmer a liar, I haven't watched his testimony from today yet, my audio was out.

But, I remember him from last time, and he was a nice guy....

 

[Cammy]

I wasn't aware of any injury ... was it prior to her first testimony, after ... how does it factor in?

I think someone was saying that the defense was trying to stop Gracie from testifying because of an accident she had when she was 7 years old.

But, then I read the defense just wanted to know if they could mention it, and the Judge ruled that they could.

IMO

 

[dgfred]

I think Gracie believes that she saw Jason that night, but since we can't always trust our memories and our eyes deceive us sometimes(especially when they are primed with a photo of someone) I think it's likely that she interacted with a rude customer that was not Jason Young.

I don't think there is any kind of conspiracy, just that a lot of people really want to close this case. Unfortunately I think it is unsolved and will probably remain so for awhile.

I can see why people think that Jason probably did this even if it can't be proven, but I'm actually becoming more convinced that he did not have anything to do with it. He comes off as a buffoon for sure, but a murderer? I don't see it.

So you are thinking it was a rage-killing by a stranger just there to steal something? Leaving the child unharmed? Not stealing anything?

Alot of odd circumstances IMO.

 

[Cammy]

Elmer could have been our great uncle. Country, a little impatient, wanting to get finished, but honest. He struggled a few times with his memory but he's somewhat elderly and it's been a long time since all of this happened. He really didn't add to or take away from anything--just confirmed the cameras, angles, doors, stairways, halls, etc.

Thank you, do you or does anyone know if they addressed the handprint on the pipe today?

We know it was not Jason's.

Someone said we would find out it was Elmer's, was it?

Thanks, guys !!

 

[NCEast]

I can't remember where I read it and now I can't seem to find it buried in a post - but I know I saw somebody say Elmer was lying either now or before, that there was a discrepancy between the two testimonies. Can anybody say what that was? Lying is a strong word to use. So far, there's only one person in this whole hot mess that's a proven liar.

Good grief, I hope you can find your source about Elmer's lying. I sure didn't come away with that take. I can't even imagine what he would lie about. Keep looking!

 

[Cammy]

I think Gracie believes that she saw Jason that night, but since we can't always trust our memories and our eyes deceive us sometimes(especially when they are primed with a photo of someone) I think it's likely that she interacted with a rude customer that was not Jason Young.

I don't think there is any kind of conspiracy, just that a lot of people really want to close this case. Unfortunately I think it is unsolved and will probably remain so for awhile.

I can see why people think that Jason probably did this even if it can't be proven, but I'm actually becoming more convinced that he did not have anything to do with it. He comes off as a buffoon for sure, but a murderer? I don't see it.

:goodpost: :goodpost: :goodpost:

 

[Grammy Jean]

Thank you, do you or does anyone know if they addressed the handprint on the pipe today?

We know it was not Jason's.

Someone said we would find out it was Elmer's, was it?

Thanks, guys !!

Elmer testified that he touched that pipe to balance himself.