Still Asking Questions Here

[DeeDee249]

Some of PRs friends said she had beaver fur boots. PR claimed to have "lost" them, so they were never turned over to LE.

 

[JMO8778]

I wonder if she wore them to the White's party that evening,and they showed in the pics? perhaps a reason the pics have not been released...

 

[DeeDee249]

I am sure that it a part of it.
Although we know better as far as Boulder is concerned, an unsolved murder is always "open". There is no statute of limitations for murder. And because of that, we' ll never see all the evidence. Unless, of course, someone is charged.

 

[Ravyn]

Just wondering about the boots if say 50 pairs of the same boots was made could you go by the fibers from a different pair or would it be different since that pair never been owed by PR..

 

[Ames]

Just wondering about the boots if say 50 pairs of the same boots was made could you go by the fibers from a different pair or would it be different since that pair never been owed by PR..

Well, my guess is that they would have to test that particular pair...the ones owned by Patsy.

She told police that she had misplaced them, but then she wore a pair of fur lined boots to one of her interviews, and they all wondered if this was the pair that she had "misplaced".

 

[Ames]

Some of PRs friends said she had beaver fur boots. PR claimed to have "lost" them, so they were never turned over to LE.

Right...and can't you just see Patsy bragging to all of her friends..."Yeah, don't you just LOVE my new boots, they are made with Beaver fur, and they are VERY expensive". She wore a pair of fur-lined boots to one of her interviews..and the investigators wondered if these were the Beaver fur boots that she had "misplaced". She probably thought that they would be too stupid to noticed.

 

[Ames]

Some of PRs friends said she had beaver fur boots. PR claimed to have "lost" them, so they were never turned over to LE.

I sure don't believe that baloney! Lost them...my butt.

 

[Ravyn]

JMO or she was telling the LE in her own way you will never get these boots...

 

[Ames]

JMO or she was telling the LE in her own way you will never get these boots...

IMO..she had probably read or heard somewhere that a Beaver hair was found at the crime scene. SO, of course she is going to "lose" those Beaver fur-lined boots.

 

[JMO8778]

JMO or she was telling the LE in her own way you will never get these boots...

and to flaunt it right in front of their faces...word!!!! she knew her expensive attorneys would protect her and her expensive boots..to boot! yes,pun intended.

 

[DeeDee249]

Just wondering about the boots if say 50 pairs of the same boots was made could you go by the fibers from a different pair or would it be different since that pair never been owed by PR..

Here is how that would work...

IF the beaver hairs were to be sourced to PR's boots- forensic specialists can only say that the hairs are CONSISTENT with the fur from that specific make and model of boot, not from that actual boot. The reason for this is that there were likely many pairs of boots made with the same kind of fur, or even more than one pair from the same animal pelt.
IF they can source the fur at the crime scene to a specific animal and then source the boots themselves to the SAME animal- well then that proves the fur in her hand were from Patsy's boots.
But even that can be argued away by the defense by saying that it isn't unusual for for from a mother's clothing to be found on a child. Doesn't prove she killed her.
Now the fiber evidence would also be found to be "cosistent" with fibers from Patsy's jacket. Could they have come from another jacket exactly like it? Yes- but the likelihood of a killer wearing the EXACT same jacket as one owned by the mother of the child he/she killed is so remote as to be impossible.
BUT- fibers matching the mother's jacket that were also found adhering UNDER the tape on the mouth of a dead child and found wound into the knot of a garrote that had been used to strangle that child can have no other venue for being there except that the person wearing/owning the jacket (the mother) also was present at the time of the crime. And she was STILL wearing it when the body was found.
This comes under the classification "circumstantial evidence".

Patsy throwing herself on her dead daughter as a way to contaminate the body by being able to say that was how her fibers got there is actually pretty flimsy.
The body was covered with an afghan by JR before PR even came in the room. The tape itself had been left in the basement. It never came into the room with PR and her jacket. The knot was in the back of JB's neck. She was placed face UP in the living room (with the knot close to the floor at her back) when PR supposedly saw her daughter with the garrote for the first time.
PR HAD to be in the basement or in close contact with the BODY- not just her daughter, but her daughter AFTER she had died for those fibers to have gotten to those places. PR's fibers, even more than JRs, are linked to the actual death and staging. Even more than any DNA these fibers link an actual person to the two things that are items from the actual crime- the tape and garrote.
With JR's fibers - the ones matching his dark Israeli shirt that he wore that day- found in her panties- the defense can always argue that he helped her in the bathroom and that's how they got there. Of course, that would mean JB wore the ridiculous size 12s to the White's (doubt it).
But there IS no defense for Patsy's fibers on the tape and cord, and when interviewed, PR is asked about this very thing. Her lawyer, LW, does not allow her to answer the question.

 

[JMO8778]

the thing about it is JR offers no excuse for that whatsoever..he knows darn well she had the injuries and so refuses to place himself in a setting where he could have had the chance to inflict them.the attorneys probably came up with the 'I placed her in bed and she was already asleep' story,as a way of saying he could not have inflicted the injuries,but he *might have fibers on her,nonetheless.

 

[Ravyn]

Well I guess the R's knew just how to pull everything off and other than movies they loved reading books.. And what is so bad none can catch them..But all this is my opinion..

 

[madeleine]

Never heard of this before:

Cord Fibers in JBR Bed. "Further, fibers consistent with those of the cord used to make the slip knots and garrote were found on JonBenet's bed. (SMF P 168; PSMF P 168.)


http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/The Cords



Is this true?

TIA

 

[BBB167893]

Never heard of this before:

Cord Fibers in JBR Bed. "Further, fibers consistent with those of the cord used to make the slip knots and garrote were found on JonBenet's bed. (SMF P 168; PSMF P 168.)


http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/The Cords



Is this true?

TIA

Far as I know. But for me, it changes nothing.

 

[DeeDee249]

Never heard of this before:

Cord Fibers in JBR Bed. "Further, fibers consistent with those of the cord used to make the slip knots and garrote were found on JonBenet's bed. (SMF P 168; PSMF P 168.)


http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/The Cords



Is this true?

TIA

I though the cord fibers found in her bed were HEMP fibers from the hemp rope found in a brown paper bag in JAR's room.
I agree with you Dave, it changes nothing.

 

[Ames]

Far as I know. But for me, it changes nothing.

Changes nothing for me either. They even could have at first..was going to stage everything in her bedroom, but...then decided against it, since Burke was sleeping not too far away, and could get up at any minute. I mean...that wouldn't look too good, for Burke to walk in on his mommy and daddy, trying to stage a crime scene, with the body of his dead sister lying on the bed. It may have looked a "little" suspicious...

 

[madeleine]

No,I didn't think this would be sign of IDI (if true)
But it's interesting.The crime didn't happen in the basement anyway,so maybe the staging began also somewhere else.

 

[Ames]

No,I didn't think this would be sign of IDI (if true)
But it's interesting.The crime didn't happen in the basement anyway,so maybe the staging began also somewhere else.

I have always believed that the staging actually started in JB's bedroom. But, then the Rams thought ...."Wait a minute, Burke might get up, we can't let him see this, it would traumatize him for the rest of his life, so lets take her down to the WC, as far away from him as we can get, without taking her outside in the cold".

 

[Ravyn]

If it started in the bedroom and with the unrine spot in front of the WC door could this be the place where she was strangled..